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noggnoskill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States97 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 15:55:39
April 02 2012 15:54 GMT
#401
Yea, Shen wouldn't be nearly as hard to deal with if they put a range limit on his ult too. They've already learned that global range on things can't be balanced. Alex Ich from M5 has already expressed how much he doesn't like global passives like TF, Janna, and Zilean (Janna being the only one he thinks is genuinely a problem, but he still doesn't like the idea of them). They just have these arbitrary exceptions to the rule that they haven't fixed yet for whatever reason.

If GP ult didn't have global range I think he would be an EXTREMELY situational pick thanks to how many lanes he loses badly nowadays, but I don't know how they'd fix that because he's still strong nontheless.
Never forget, JAYM 4/4/2012
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 02 2012 15:58 GMT
#402
GP would probably still be fine tbh. I dunno, just seems like even though he can't play a lot of lanes aggressive, he can always just max oranges and build double gold/10 and end up at worst breaking even in farm and then be very strong late game. the champion's kinda bullshit.
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noggnoskill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States97 Posts
April 02 2012 16:09 GMT
#403
I can agree with that, but he really doesn't fit my style. I feel like if I can't cripple who I'm laning against, I'm not doing my job right. Recent tournaments have shown that passive top lanes can REALLY be abused, though.
Never forget, JAYM 4/4/2012
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
April 02 2012 16:55 GMT
#404
On April 03 2012 00:58 Mogwai wrote:
GP would probably still be fine tbh. I dunno, just seems like even though he can't play a lot of lanes aggressive, he can always just max oranges and build double gold/10 and end up at worst breaking even in farm and then be very strong late game. the champion's kinda bullshit.



Jungle gp, build him as J4. I swear i can keep up with the medi ocre junglers like skarner, rammus. Haven't tried vs counter-jungle heavy champs yet tho. He's hella strong when he picks up red and gets to 3 especially against lanes that relys on cc to get away.
hi
noggnoskill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States97 Posts
April 02 2012 17:26 GMT
#405
On April 03 2012 01:55 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 00:58 Mogwai wrote:
GP would probably still be fine tbh. I dunno, just seems like even though he can't play a lot of lanes aggressive, he can always just max oranges and build double gold/10 and end up at worst breaking even in farm and then be very strong late game. the champion's kinda bullshit.



Jungle gp, build him as J4. I swear i can keep up with the medi ocre junglers like skarner, rammus. Haven't tried vs counter-jungle heavy champs yet tho. He's hella strong when he picks up red and gets to 3 especially against lanes that relys on cc to get away.


Why wouldn't you just pick J4 instead?
Never forget, JAYM 4/4/2012
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 02 2012 17:29 GMT
#406
they play very differently. GP is better at ganking sidelanes, J4 is better at ganking mid. I think J4's stronger in the jungle atm, but there are some really strong cheesy strats with GP like red first with boots and exhaust -> gank top right away that are basically guaranteed FB.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 17:40:45
April 02 2012 17:40 GMT
#407
Jungle GP gets shut down SUPER hard though.

You need a team. To the point that I would not advocate it in solo q. You need communication and warding or you will be in a lot of pain. But if you can protect your jungle enough to where you can survive the game past 20 minutes you will be a force. Its just so easy to completely lose jungle control against a lot of common jungles.

Its almost like top lane. There are just some champions you CANT run GP against. Counterpicking in the jungle is just as bad as top or mid.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 02 2012 17:42 GMT
#408
On April 03 2012 02:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle GP gets shut down SUPER hard though.

You need a team. To the point that I would not advocate it in solo q. You need communication and warding or you will be in a lot of pain. But if you can protect your jungle enough to where you can survive the game past 20 minutes you will be a force. Its just so easy to completely lose jungle control against a lot of common jungles.

Its almost like top lane. There are just some champions you CANT run GP against. Counterpicking in the jungle is just as bad as top or mid.

Like what? I hate playing GP cause I play passive as fuck with him these days, but honestly there was never a matchup that I ran into with him that made me think I hurt my team with the GP pick.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 17:47:46
April 02 2012 17:46 GMT
#409
On April 03 2012 02:42 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 02:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle GP gets shut down SUPER hard though.

You need a team. To the point that I would not advocate it in solo q. You need communication and warding or you will be in a lot of pain. But if you can protect your jungle enough to where you can survive the game past 20 minutes you will be a force. Its just so easy to completely lose jungle control against a lot of common jungles.

Its almost like top lane. There are just some champions you CANT run GP against. Counterpicking in the jungle is just as bad as top or mid.

Like what? I hate playing GP cause I play passive as fuck with him these days, but honestly there was never a matchup that I ran into with him that made me think I hurt my team with the GP pick.

Aggressive LS, Mundo, Shyv, Udyr are all pretty devastating if they go full counterjungle. IMO GP really needs both buffs on his first clear in order to level effectivly. If you start losing jungle control it is very hard to get back with GP because he has a pretty bad 1v1 without items and no real good way to lock people in place while you wait for your team. As a result losing jungle control is pretty devistating on GP cuz he has no real good way to get it back.

Although, he does have the benifit of being able to just stack GP10 and still be useful because of his E and ult if you do get behind a little bit. The question becomes wether or not you can fully maintain jungle control enough to where you dont lose the game by 15 minutes.

He handles getting shut down better than ww, for example, but it is still painful. But not losing a game due to a loss of jungle control is as much about your team as it is about the jungle. The jungle just enables the possiblity of getting shut down.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 02 2012 18:00 GMT
#410
oh, I meant top. I can understand the jungle problems, I just don't see how he gets bodied top.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 02 2012 18:04 GMT
#411
On April 03 2012 03:00 Mogwai wrote:
oh, I meant top. I can understand the jungle problems, I just don't see how he gets bodied top.

lol missunderstanding then. I was just trying to point out that junglers can get countered just as hard as top/mid lanes can, even though people dont think that way a lot of the time.

I dont know if he gets bodied top. Dun play it enough. Just know he can get crushed in jungle.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 02 2012 18:10 GMT
#412
yea, I dunno, he has a perfect kit for playing safe top lane in solo queue IMO. Max dem oranges and farm like a mad man. Such retarded mana efficiency on his sustain.
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
April 03 2012 08:58 GMT
#413
On April 03 2012 02:26 noggnoskill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 01:55 Sponkz wrote:
On April 03 2012 00:58 Mogwai wrote:
GP would probably still be fine tbh. I dunno, just seems like even though he can't play a lot of lanes aggressive, he can always just max oranges and build double gold/10 and end up at worst breaking even in farm and then be very strong late game. the champion's kinda bullshit.



Jungle gp, build him as J4. I swear i can keep up with the medi ocre junglers like skarner, rammus. Haven't tried vs counter-jungle heavy champs yet tho. He's hella strong when he picks up red and gets to 3 especially against lanes that relys on cc to get away.


Why wouldn't you just pick J4 instead?



What i meant was that GP benefits more or less from the same stats as J4, not that they're identical.


I like 9/21/0, makes you safe in the jungle, you will never drop low from any camp if you get a proper leash. Got standard tanky jungler runes: MS quints, arm seals, mres/lvl glyphs and AS reds. Flash/smite

Wriggles -> Tabi -> Phage is currently my core rush, i dunno if you can go the double gp/10 way and still be efficient, but you will need wriggles sooner or later. You pick tabi cus you got W (i guess mercs could be viable vs heavy ap teams).

From there it's basically your choice what you wanna do. What i like about GP is that he's so versatile in terms of items. Aegis is good, hex drinker and the new maw item is really good vs heavy AP burst. Trinity is an obvious choice if you can afford the other parts after phage, but mainly you wanna focus on getting very balanced stats against most teams. A mix of mres, armor and health, while still getting massive utility is the #1 priority on GP imo.


I will not advise to rush warmogs, because i feel like it's a complete waste on any junglers with the amounts of gold you're able to get. Using 3.000 for nothing but health feels like a complete waste, you should focus on getting the items that makes you win fights.
hi
noggnoskill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States97 Posts
April 03 2012 14:25 GMT
#414
Why take flash over exhaust? There's nothing fancy you can do with it like a flash ult like Lee Sin or WW, and you probably won't need it to run away because you're not likely to be counterjungling early on.
Never forget, JAYM 4/4/2012
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 03 2012 14:27 GMT
#415
On April 03 2012 23:25 noggnoskill wrote:
Why take flash over exhaust? There's nothing fancy you can do with it like a flash ult like Lee Sin or WW, and you probably won't need it to run away because you're not likely to be counterjungling early on.

I carry flash for late game. Your job is to kill carries. Easiest way to do that and avoid getting kited is to just flash onto them.

Plus if you are in jungle you will probably need it to flash away from invaders.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 03 2012 14:30 GMT
#416
I played GP top, against a Mordekaiser and got absolutely destroyed. How do you play out this matchup. (low ELO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 03 2012 15:44 GMT
#417
On April 03 2012 23:30 Mementoss wrote:
I played GP top, against a Mordekaiser and got absolutely destroyed. How do you play out this matchup. (low ELO)

Fight him level 1 behind his creeps and kill him.

or whatever, you can just use an MRes spec, open double gold/10 -> chalice or Spirit Visage and max oranges while chillin' under your tower farming
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 03 2012 15:49 GMT
#418
On April 04 2012 00:44 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 23:30 Mementoss wrote:
I played GP top, against a Mordekaiser and got absolutely destroyed. How do you play out this matchup. (low ELO)

Fight him level 1 behind his creeps and kill him.

or whatever, you can just use an MRes spec, open double gold/10 -> chalice or Spirit Visage and max oranges while chillin' under your tower farming

Why do people actually go for gp/10 and max oranges style GP?It pretty much makes you useless mid game and other team can just win since other guy is on free farm anyway.Not to mention GP isn't even some champ that has amazing scaling or something....
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 03 2012 16:26 GMT
#419
On April 04 2012 00:49 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 00:44 Mogwai wrote:
On April 03 2012 23:30 Mementoss wrote:
I played GP top, against a Mordekaiser and got absolutely destroyed. How do you play out this matchup. (low ELO)

Fight him level 1 behind his creeps and kill him.

or whatever, you can just use an MRes spec, open double gold/10 -> chalice or Spirit Visage and max oranges while chillin' under your tower farming

Why do people actually go for gp/10 and max oranges style GP?It pretty much makes you useless mid game and other team can just win since other guy is on free farm anyway.Not to mention GP isn't even some champ that has amazing scaling or something....

because GP sucks ass in lane anyway, so might as well just rice your way to endgame. and you're quite wrong, GP has great scaling and most of his early-mid game utility from top is just dropping ults across the map.

if you want to play a strong laner, you just don't pick GP. He's just straight up weaker than Pantheon in every respect in lane.
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
April 03 2012 18:31 GMT
#420
Who exactly can Gangplank beat in top lane by being aggressive? I feel like the list is pretty short these days.
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