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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
. Great ideas everybody!Edit: Also I want Dustin Browder in the game now! | ||
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On April 09 2015 19:50 Teoita wrote: I agree, but Lurkers are much more accessible than Infestors or anything at Hive tech, so eh, it might work. The problem is Lurker isn't along the traditional tech path so before you can make them (assuming you need the range upgrade for them to be viable) it's 100/100 for the Hydra den, 50/100 for the Lurker 200/150 for hive 200/200 for the range 150/150 for every lurker. So it's 550 gas before you can even build them and then assuming 6 is the magic number to mix in that's another 900 gas needed. I think the should make the Lurker range to 8 as standard and remove the upgrade. I think streamers and the like just aren't transitioning fast enough, they should probably start prepping the transition to lurker after the first batch of muta or the 4th base. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On April 09 2015 20:27 Ovid wrote: The problem is Lurker isn't along the traditional tech path so before you can make them (assuming you need the range upgrade for them to be viable) it's 100/100 for the Hydra den, 50/100 for the Lurker 200/150 for hive 200/200 for the range 150/150 for every lurker. So it's 550 gas before you can even build them and then assuming 6 is the magic number to mix in that's another 900 gas needed. I think the should make the Lurker range to 8 as standard and remove the upgrade. I think streamers and the like just aren't transitioning fast enough, they should probably start prepping the transition to lurker after the first batch of muta or the 4th base. I think Hydras should be hatch tech so it doesn't take that long to get a lurker tech out on lair. Hydras would also be a solid choice for the early game to help zergs defend allins. The Ravager should be Lair tech instead since it's too powerful early on and crushes any wall. Then allow Zerg to tech to hive with Spire and Lurker Den too and I think the race will feel much more balanced and tech transitions will be more natural. | ||
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Lomo
Germany137 Posts
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Startyr
Scotland188 Posts
The guardian would also force each race to continually tech up and tech switch, further increasing the need to take and deny bases. | ||
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LDaVinci
France130 Posts
Bunkers or ebay (as I read before) are not practical at all to build in the middle of a fight. This however can help T to take better positionnal fight. However, in that way, it cannot stay like this. with mines, tanks and marines this is way to powerfull. As a Z I couldn't ever engage this. I dunno it could reduce the vision range of units, so that unit behind see let's say in a range of 2 or 3 (so melee unit would still be attacked) or reduce the vision range by something and the wall can be attacked by ranged unit without too much problems. My idea is probably bad, but I think something like this would be needed. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On April 09 2015 20:27 Ovid wrote: The problem is Lurker isn't along the traditional tech path so before you can make them (assuming you need the range upgrade for them to be viable) it's 100/100 for the Hydra den, 50/100 for the Lurker 200/150 for hive 200/200 for the range 150/150 for every lurker. So it's 550 gas before you can even build them and then assuming 6 is the magic number to mix in that's another 900 gas needed. I think the should make the Lurker range to 8 as standard and remove the upgrade. I think streamers and the like just aren't transitioning fast enough, they should probably start prepping the transition to lurker after the first batch of muta or the 4th base. Meh there's too many factors at play to make that claim right now. The upgrade path was similar in BW yet it worked because of a lot of other factors. Obviously if it becomes an issue things can be changed. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
The guardian is ok but it's just too similar in functionality to the sentry. Mobile slower support unit that let's your more ranged army kill melee armies by screwing with their pathing. It's not bad but it's already in the game :<. The jackal is the idea I like best for gameplay although unexciting because it's just a mix of the BW science vessel & ghost. Still this is where the niche for a new terran unit should be, a gas intensive support caster. Basically a second ghost or raven that has use in bio armies and perhaps mech/air too. The current raven is more a lategame air vs air unit and the ghost is TvP exclusive and not overly exciting. The unit being an air or ground unit is not that incredibly relevant, it should just be higher end tech for bio to help counter the other higher end tech. The exterminator i'd call the best overall of these. Not as good for gameplay I'd say as another caster but a nice idea of a melee unit leaving a trace of damaging material. The javelin is a boring idea, just a super siege unit. The ravager already does this kind of effect in LotV already albeit perhaps with slightly different stats. The unit from gretorp is fine too but I'd like the jackal idea more then. I don't think air aoe is especially neccesary for terran as they have the thor and raven already providing that sort of. Basically I hope to see blizzard add a gas heavy caster that would compliment bio play specifically. Doesn't matter too much if this is airbased (techlab starport) or groundbased (techlab barracks perhaps with ghost academy). Possibly retool some abilities between ghost, raven and the new unit. At the moment ghost is too much a anti-protoss exclusive unit and the raven has to limited use being so lategame mass air battles exclusive kinda. It's a shame bio play has no lategame followup and gas frequently just piles up or isn't mined in the first place. | ||
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Startyr
Scotland188 Posts
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Aquila-
516 Posts
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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Icekin
88 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On April 09 2015 21:11 Teoita wrote: Meh there's too many factors at play to make that claim right now. The upgrade path was similar in BW yet it worked because of a lot of other factors. Obviously if it becomes an issue things can be changed. Broodwar zerg didn't rely on banelings to hold terran pushes before lurkers since the lings/muta/colonies could hold things meaning the same amount of gas wasn't tied up so a transition was more natural. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On the other hand, the guardian doesn't seem to be worth its cost :D | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
On April 09 2015 19:16 Teoita wrote: Ironically enough Blizzard seems to like Gretorp's idea I had noticed that. | ||
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
1. Browderdrop: Drop 4 of these badboys into your opponent's mineral line to turn mining into what it's supposed to be: Digging through thick layers of stone to get the precious ores. 2. Browderblock: Block naturals, ramps, units, building exits, other rocks...block everything! 3. Browdershock: The psychological aspects of heavy Browder usage must not be neglected. If I were to see a huge army of Browders approach my base, I'd consider tapping out of the game instantly. The pure sight of Dustin Browders makes enemies shiver and empires crumble. 4. Blue Flame Browders: Once blue flame is researched, rocks spawned by Dustin Browders emit blue flames. They don't deal damage, because of design consistency issues, but they look very cool. And that's what the game needs. Overall, I think the Dustin Browder is a rock solid unit. Hopefully Blizzard will listen to the community. #terribleterribledamage | ||
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Cazimirbzh
334 Posts
can my zealots/zerglings do some dmgs plz ? a unit that allows to camp for the ranged race, really are you serious ? "Hopefully Blizzard will [never] listen to the community" | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On April 09 2015 21:49 Aquila- wrote: I like Gretorps idea better since it helps vs many Terran problems. I would never build a Guardian for 250 gas, 4 supply that has only 200 hp and does basically nothing. Changing terrain at will is kind of good. Its easy enough to zero out their threat priority so only things the guardian is attacking hits back while everything else is forced into tight chokes that Hellbats and Siege tanks can take advantage of. | ||
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