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crimethinking
Profile Joined February 2015
Vietnam765 Posts
November 07 2015 00:38 GMT
#261
Reddit this, Reddit that. If people can stop listening to that bunch, life would be better for everyone.
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
November 07 2015 00:55 GMT
#262
Take both stories with a grain of salt; hotshot is probably not a good manager, and doublelift can probably be an asshole. Nothing new I guess?
amd098
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (North)1366 Posts
November 07 2015 02:24 GMT
#263
You know, the CLG jersey in the trash reminded me of something then I remember, it was like Alundra Blaze/Madusa dumping the WWF women's title in the trash on WCW.
North Korea is best Korea!
North2
Profile Joined January 2011
134 Posts
November 07 2015 07:54 GMT
#264
On November 07 2015 09:24 bbc23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 08:06 Deriao wrote:

imaqtpie reflects on reflections with Thoorin where HotshotGG reflects about Doublelift
They're so blindly fanboying Doublelift, man. Dude, if you want to know how Doublelift is, go ask his fucking former teammates. Go ask—please—ask Seraph what he thinks of Doublelift. Not even as a player, ask him what he thinks of him as a person. I'd love for Seraph to give an actual answer on that one.
Yeah, or Link, dude. Dude, give it to—ask anyone. I wish that people weren't so fucking, like, blind to their fanboyisms. It's fucking disgusting reading that thread. People are so fucking stupid, man. People on Reddit have their heads so far shoved up their ass, man.
I feel for Hotshot.

So he is telling his fanboys to not blindly believe DL and to blindly believe Hotshot despite not being in the scene for a year+. Aight qt.


Bruh I think that's your fanboyism leaking out. qtpie is only implying not to believe either of them. I'd wager that qtpie knows about as much as we do about this whole fiasco, which is virtually nothing. He's simply stating that HSGG shouldn't be flamed when we don't know shit about what really happened yet.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22210 Posts
November 07 2015 11:17 GMT
#265
On November 07 2015 16:54 North2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 09:24 bbc23 wrote:
On November 07 2015 08:06 Deriao wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNZyTYVepF0&feature=youtu.be
imaqtpie reflects on reflections with Thoorin where HotshotGG reflects about Doublelift
They're so blindly fanboying Doublelift, man. Dude, if you want to know how Doublelift is, go ask his fucking former teammates. Go ask—please—ask Seraph what he thinks of Doublelift. Not even as a player, ask him what he thinks of him as a person. I'd love for Seraph to give an actual answer on that one.
Yeah, or Link, dude. Dude, give it to—ask anyone. I wish that people weren't so fucking, like, blind to their fanboyisms. It's fucking disgusting reading that thread. People are so fucking stupid, man. People on Reddit have their heads so far shoved up their ass, man.
I feel for Hotshot.

So he is telling his fanboys to not blindly believe DL and to blindly believe Hotshot despite not being in the scene for a year+. Aight qt.


Bruh I think that's your fanboyism leaking out. qtpie is only implying not to believe either of them. I'd wager that qtpie knows about as much as we do about this whole fiasco, which is virtually nothing. He's simply stating that HSGG shouldn't be flamed when we don't know shit about what really happened yet.

I think qtpie has more of an idea of how DL is to deal with then reddit. Pro gamers talk amongst themselves you know and its very likely some who have actually worked with DLift have told him (qtpie) what an ass DL is.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 07 2015 15:27 GMT
#266
I mean it's not exactly news that he's hard to work with, unless you avoid reading between the lines of everything said about him in the last 3 years
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
November 07 2015 20:06 GMT
#267
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bbc23
Profile Joined September 2013
United States416 Posts
November 07 2015 20:20 GMT
#268
On November 07 2015 16:54 North2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 09:24 bbc23 wrote:
On November 07 2015 08:06 Deriao wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNZyTYVepF0&feature=youtu.be
imaqtpie reflects on reflections with Thoorin where HotshotGG reflects about Doublelift
They're so blindly fanboying Doublelift, man. Dude, if you want to know how Doublelift is, go ask his fucking former teammates. Go ask—please—ask Seraph what he thinks of Doublelift. Not even as a player, ask him what he thinks of him as a person. I'd love for Seraph to give an actual answer on that one.
Yeah, or Link, dude. Dude, give it to—ask anyone. I wish that people weren't so fucking, like, blind to their fanboyisms. It's fucking disgusting reading that thread. People are so fucking stupid, man. People on Reddit have their heads so far shoved up their ass, man.
I feel for Hotshot.

So he is telling his fanboys to not blindly believe DL and to blindly believe Hotshot despite not being in the scene for a year+. Aight qt.


Bruh I think that's your fanboyism leaking out. qtpie is only implying not to believe either of them. I'd wager that qtpie knows about as much as we do about this whole fiasco, which is virtually nothing. He's simply stating that HSGG shouldn't be flamed when we don't know shit about what really happened yet.

Hotshot deserves the criticism for coming out with stuff that doesn't correlate to anything the TSM owner or HIS OWN TEAMS CEO has said and being completely thin skinned about anything Doublelift did. I mean he was really pissed off about Doublelift making a joke out of throwing the CLG jersey in the trash.

Doublelift has publicly said he was a bad teammate and an asshole, there's nothing new there.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-07 21:21:26
November 07 2015 21:21 GMT
#269
Hotshot just gave his perception on what happened. To me, it was very clear he's emotionally heavily invested and his stories reflect that. I think you're right that his stuff was (almost completely) uncorrelated with what mylixia said (the only thing i could find was this: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snpgqn ), but the two were (mostly) talking about different things, so that's to be expected.

Both hotshot and doublelift have been making public statements while being emotionally unstable. Criticizing one more than the other for that sounds to me like being a fanboy of the other.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 07 2015 23:27 GMT
#270
On November 08 2015 06:21 Yorbon wrote:
Hotshot just gave his perception on what happened. To me, it was very clear he's emotionally heavily invested and his stories reflect that. I think you're right that his stuff was (almost completely) uncorrelated with what mylixia said (the only thing i could find was this: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snpgqn ), but the two were (mostly) talking about different things, so that's to be expected.

Both hotshot and doublelift have been making public statements while being emotionally unstable. Criticizing one more than the other for that sounds to me like being a fanboy of the other.


Difference is, LiftLift acknowledged he was pissed off, also said numerous times he wished nothing but the best for CLG. He told people to still watch and root for CLG, and he even said he thought they would be a better team because they have an amazing staff.

NidaleeGG literally said nothing positive about liftlift that he wasn't forced to acknowledge because of Thorin's question.

Not to mention, one is a player, one is a CEO. You have to act differently in these roles. If a service rep says some stupid shit, whatever he might just be pissed off cuz he lost his raise due to being late or some shit. If the CEO says some stupid shit, you know the corporate culture is rotten to the core. There is a reason most CEO's never sit in front of a camera and always just release pre-fabricated press-releases the PR team wrote.

That is just how the world works. You expect different responses from a Lebron James than you would if Len Komoroski were to be asked the same questions. There is a reason for that.
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
November 07 2015 23:36 GMT
#271
So as far as 'why an owner desperately needs a PR filter' goes, how many Dan Gilbert Letters does this rate as?

(Dan Gilbert being the owner of the NBA team Cleveland Cavaliers; he wrote a public letter after LeBron left the first time.... it's fondly remembered as a joke by the general NBA fandom to this day. A copy of the letter can be read here)
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
November 08 2015 00:44 GMT
#272
Hotshot being unprofessional is a much news as DL being an asshole is. Both have been known quantities for a long time.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 08 2015 01:40 GMT
#273
Man, I always thought DL was gunna be a franchise player for CLG. At least he's on a team that can consistently produce results though.

I'm more interested in how TSM is gunna fill up the rest of their line up. Bjergsen + DL is an amazing combo and base to build a team around.
liftlift > tsm
bbc23
Profile Joined September 2013
United States416 Posts
November 08 2015 01:46 GMT
#274
On November 08 2015 08:36 Saradin wrote:
So as far as 'why an owner desperately needs a PR filter' goes, how many Dan Gilbert Letters does this rate as?

(Dan Gilbert being the owner of the NBA team Cleveland Cavaliers; he wrote a public letter after LeBron left the first time.... it's fondly remembered as a joke by the general NBA fandom to this day. A copy of the letter can be read here)

Great comparison. Gilbert was never able to put a competent roster around James his 1st time around pretty much like Hotshot minus the last split for the 1st time in 4 years. Only difference is that DL was kicked and James left for a better team (though I suppose both did leave for better team because I'd much rather trust the team led by Pat Riley over Dan Gilbert and the comic sans crew).
amd098
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (North)1366 Posts
November 08 2015 04:53 GMT
#275
I feel like hotshotgg getting mad at the shirt thing is idiotic. It's like when Alundra Blayze / Madusa threw the WWF Women's title in the trash on WCW Nitro saying she's now in the better organization.
North Korea is best Korea!
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-08 05:58:30
November 08 2015 05:53 GMT
#276
On November 08 2015 08:27 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 06:21 Yorbon wrote:
Hotshot just gave his perception on what happened. To me, it was very clear he's emotionally heavily invested and his stories reflect that. I think you're right that his stuff was (almost completely) uncorrelated with what mylixia said (the only thing i could find was this: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snpgqn ), but the two were (mostly) talking about different things, so that's to be expected.

Both hotshot and doublelift have been making public statements while being emotionally unstable. Criticizing one more than the other for that sounds to me like being a fanboy of the other.


Difference is, LiftLift acknowledged he was pissed off, also said numerous times he wished nothing but the best for CLG. He told people to still watch and root for CLG, and he even said he thought they would be a better team because they have an amazing staff.

NidaleeGG literally said nothing positive about liftlift that he wasn't forced to acknowledge because of Thorin's question.

Not to mention, one is a player, one is a CEO. You have to act differently in these roles. If a service rep says some stupid shit, whatever he might just be pissed off cuz he lost his raise due to being late or some shit. If the CEO says some stupid shit, you know the corporate culture is rotten to the core. There is a reason most CEO's never sit in front of a camera and always just release pre-fabricated press-releases the PR team wrote.

That is just how the world works. You expect different responses from a Lebron James than you would if Len Komoroski were to be asked the same questions. There is a reason for that.


I felt that Hotshott took a looooot of credit for things that I am not sure if just BS. He also really painted himself as extremely misunderstood and victimized by almost everyone and really did not give any positive qualities to anyone he has had beef with in the past. Even a lot of his compliments were kind of backhanded to people like Regi. Could be that he just doesn't know how to properly express his thoughts but He came off as being very "The world has shafted me greatly" while also teasing about leaking "the real stories" about what happened behind the scenes. But no you guys he is totally being the bigger man and taking the high road rofl. All he did was say "yea DL is a monster, but because I won't tell you the specifics I am being the better man even though he betrayed me".

That being said, I actually liked the end where he stated his new goals and vision for the team and the overall ideology behind it (if it isn't just for the PR).
Never Knows Best.
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
November 08 2015 06:34 GMT
#277
On November 08 2015 13:53 amd098 wrote:
I feel like hotshotgg getting mad at the shirt thing is idiotic. It's like when Alundra Blayze / Madusa threw the WWF Women's title in the trash on WCW Nitro saying she's now in the better organization.


...That was (arguably) the start of the monday night wars. It's terrible example to use if you're trying to make the point that "getting mad about it is idiotic".
amd098
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (North)1366 Posts
November 08 2015 23:51 GMT
#278
On November 08 2015 15:34 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 13:53 amd098 wrote:
I feel like hotshotgg getting mad at the shirt thing is idiotic. It's like when Alundra Blayze / Madusa threw the WWF Women's title in the trash on WCW Nitro saying she's now in the better organization.


...That was (arguably) the start of the monday night wars. It's terrible example to use if you're trying to make the point that "getting mad about it is idiotic".


Actually the start of the monday night wars was hogan going over to WCW, but more when Hall/Nash appeared and the nWo took ratings from Raw for the first time. But look at it from a business standpoint, Vince was pissed but did he go on Raw and rant? No he developed his brand better. Hotshot/ff is not helping his brand by ranting and screaming, then saying he has proof... then deleting all his posts hoping no one screenshotted them. He's ruining the image of his organisation by himself.
North Korea is best Korea!
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-09 09:08:20
November 09 2015 09:08 GMT
#279
On November 09 2015 08:51 amd098 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 15:34 TheHumanSensation wrote:
On November 08 2015 13:53 amd098 wrote:
I feel like hotshotgg getting mad at the shirt thing is idiotic. It's like when Alundra Blayze / Madusa threw the WWF Women's title in the trash on WCW Nitro saying she's now in the better organization.


...That was (arguably) the start of the monday night wars. It's terrible example to use if you're trying to make the point that "getting mad about it is idiotic".


Actually the start of the monday night wars was hogan going over to WCW, but more when Hall/Nash appeared and the nWo took ratings from Raw for the first time. But look at it from a business standpoint, Vince was pissed but did he go on Raw and rant? No he developed his brand better. Hotshot/ff is not helping his brand by ranting and screaming, then saying he has proof... then deleting all his posts hoping no one screenshotted them. He's ruining the image of his organisation by himself.


I agree with you, but I think your example doesn't really make this point, since your explanation highlighted the significant differences between the two situations rather than the similarities.

If you just wanted to talk about this specific moment in wrestling, which I suspect is the case because you posted it twice on this page, then that's cool. It was a cool moment. Doublelift didn't do as good a job with it as Alundra Blayze, though, imo.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
November 09 2015 09:17 GMT
#280
Are we really comparing this to a scripted wrestling 'feud'? What's next, comparing Dyrus to that one time on the Bold and the Beautiful where Jack went to stream full time?
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