I felt that Hotshott took a looooot of credit for things that I am not sure if just BS. He also really painted himself as extremely misunderstood and victimized by almost everyone and really did not give any positive qualities to anyone he has had beef with in the past. Even a lot of his compliments were kind of backhanded to people like Regi. Could be that he just doesn't know how to properly express his thoughts but He came off as being very "The world has shafted me greatly" while also teasing about leaking "the real stories" about what happened behind the scenes. But no you guys he is totally being the bigger man and taking the high road rofl. All he did was say "yea DL is a monster, but because I won't tell you the specifics I am being the better man even though he betrayed me".

That being said, I actually liked the end where he stated his new goals and vision for the team and the overall ideology behind it (if it isn't just for the PR).

... reading your post, I can't argue with it; all of it sounds spot-on. That said, Hotshot being super negative is kind of expected if he's in a spot where his team is obviously going through a painful adjustment process which will leave CLG far weaker than it used to be- a process that isn't even over, with the possibility of also losing Zion to TSM and Aphro to whoever. Heck, he even admitted that he wasn't fit, emotionally, to perform as a manager at CLG until the start of the Spring Split, and delegated all of his duties until then. Hotshot is one of the biggest losers of this preseason.

On the topic of winners and losers, I thought this was both accurate and relevant:
http://www.goldper10.com/article/2745-doublelift-to-team-solomid-winners-and-losers.html

TheHumanSensation

Canada1210 Posts

November 09 2015 17:54 GMT

#283

On November 09 2015 18:17 Mikau wrote:
Are we really comparing this to a scripted wrestling 'feud'?

Not quite, no. The "monday night wars" was a real competition between WWF and WCW (separate rival companies) in which both of their flagship shows competed for ratings on the same timeslot, with the two companies frequently trying to one-up each other either through adapting/improving their respective shows (ie the attitude era) or through less savvy measures (WWF more-or-less banning Alundra Blayze for life (which was recently undone)), and often acknowledging that the other company / program existed.

Basically, Alundra Blayze (Doublelift) went over to a rival company (TSM), changed her name to Madusa (TSM.Doublelift?) and the head person, Eric Bischoff (Regi) said "throw the title (T-shirt) in the trash on camera, it'll rile people up" so she did it and it did.

...Then WCW's women's division (Auto-relegation) turned into a joke and Madusa was fired early and then retired, but here's hoping Doublelift can also become a monster truck driver!

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

November 09 2015 20:34 GMT

#284

Ok so I wrote my last post when I was 75% done with watching that Hotshot interview, and HOOOOOOLY SHIT but does he lay bare how completely inept he is at management towards the end:

HotshotGG said:
"One of the things I set up was, I put everybody into 1-year contracts and I didn't re-sign them in the middle of the split- and I did that very intentionally. I was like, these guys, I know they're way better than they are, I know that CLG's gonna succeed when we win MSG, I know that everything's gonna go great, and we're gonna make a lot of money on the organization side because of all the success. And I want these players to, to get a hold of that. I want them to be a part of that success. So I did not re-sign them so that they could get fair market value for their position, and I was ready to fight for each one of my players. And I did fight, because, this is why it's a curse, right? Because half of the, half of the talent pool in NA was locked to 2-4 years. CLG, the winners of MSG, were locked down to just the end of the year. I had every LCS owner, I had European owners, I had, uh, owners that aren't even in LCS contact me for every one of my players. And, I could've just voided all that if I just went to them in the middle of the split and went like, "hey guys, here's a little raise"- but I opted out of doing that and I got screwed so bad emotionally and it was, it was, it was a rough time.

+ Show Spoiler [video link to where he says this] +

You keep business and friendship separate. Period. This is management 101, Hotshot. In business, you ALWAYS look out for #1 (yourself), because NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO LOOK AFTER YOU OR YOUR INTERESTS. Hell, no one else even knows what your interests are if you don't tell them. In business negotiations, you want to keep in mind your counterpart's stated interests so that you can offer something valuable to them, but ALWAYS in exchange for something that's valuable to you. If you sign your players a 1-year contract because you want them to aspire to "fair market value", how are your players going to take it? Maybe they think you're going to sell the team after once that year's done. Maybe they think you have little faith in them and want to sign new players after that year's done. And even if you tell them that you just want the best for them, and want them to aspire to fair market value? Hell, if my boss told me that, I'd call bullshit. What if my stock drops by when that year is up? Sure, I'll get fair market value, but that might be a spot on a Challenger team for no pay. You know what players like Bjergsen on TSM get for being "locked down" for several years? Job security, Hotshot. That's what you weren't offering to your own players.

So, it turns that CLG's players' stock goes up after all by when their contracts are over. Well, that means that they get to reap the benefits, and if the players are smart, they're gonna look out after their own interests, nevermind all your good intentions for "not locking them down". You don't even know that not being locked down was important to your players at the time! That's why you negotiate with them. If they really wanted the freedom to look at alternative teams by the end of 2015, then they would've expressed as much in your negotiations with them- or maybe they'd rather have job security with longer contracts instead. But you should let THEM tell you what their preference is in this regard, you don't decide for them because you think you have their best interests in mind. You negotiate for your own interests, they negotiate for theirs, and you reach a satisfactory agreement where both sides get what they actually care about, not what you think they want. If what YOU want is to keep these players, then you negotiate long contracts. If you want your players to share in the spoils of victory if they win MSG, then you add a clause that states they get a nice, fat bonus if that happens. If you want to give them even more money after that because you think they deserve it, you're free to do so. Instead, Hotshot decides that, in the best interests of his players, he's gonna shoot himself in the foot, and then feels betrayed when his foot hurts and he can't walk right.

Also? I really, really don't buy the whole "Oh yeah, I knew we were gonna win MSG all along, I just signed short contracts because I was looking out for the players." For a team that had faced two relegations series and no LCS finals, I call bullshit on that- on some level, Hotshot wanted short contracts as well because he wasn't sure he could keep on paying the players if CLG lost their LCS spot. Either way, you really couldn't ask for a clearer example of Hotshot being absolutely terrible at management.

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

November 09 2015 20:46 GMT

#285

Hotshot clearly needs to hire a professional CEO (and maybe a PR guy). Paying a couple competent guys 6 figures ea would be literally the best investment he could make in CLG.

amd098

Korea (North)1366 Posts

November 09 2015 23:53 GMT

#286

Ah yea, I agree with you TheHumanSensation. Could have been a bit better, though most likely liftx2 will do better than Madusa.

Hotshot's issue was that he's an owner but acts like a player. You can't do that, it showed him as unprofessional and childish and made whatever issues liftx2's statements had seem trivial now.

Gorsameth

Netherlands22210 Posts

November 10 2015 00:54 GMT

#287

He wanted them to earn more money if they won and so didn't renew the contract? Surely you can add clauses for bonus pay if they win or worst case re-negotiate the contract at a later date.

Even if you argue from his position it makes no sense Oo