On November 03 2015 11:08 moush wrote: Doublelift has a terrible trophy cabinet and winning NA is meaningless. Just imagine if Kobe/Jordan/Lebron never won a ring, they'd be laughed out of any GOAT talks unlike Doublelift's cult somehow assume he belongs to.
It's not like anyone says that Liftlift is GOAT or whatever, lol.
Is he best NA player of all time? Yes. Is he best Western adc ever? Yes. Is he even in top-5 adc all time? No, but he's around 7th, which is pretty good, if you ask me.
Will this TSM be World Champion? Hell no. Will this TSM win NA? Eh, they probably can, why not. Will it satisfy him? Probably not, but hell get a lot of money, which is fair to him.
1) Doublelift's attitude was always bringing the team down. He negatively affected the team atmosphere and morale. They weighed up the pros (branding, fans, skill) and cons (bad attitude, bad team atmosphere) of him being on the team, and ultimately decided it was best for him to be kicked. He also felt that him and Double were friends, and was surprised that Double said they weren't.
2) Pobelter was indeed initially meant to be the 2nd midlaner with HuHi as the main starter, but due to HuHi's visa issues Pobelter became the starter as he was playing well and they didn't want to ruin what was working. HuHi was positive and kept practicing hard, and the team wanted to field him as the starter next split. Pobelter didn't want to do the midlane swap, so he was removed.
3) Turtle is really cool and isn't a bad player. He thinks Turtle would fit the team far better than Doublelift in regards to team spirit and confidence.
4) More adcs are also coming to try out.
5) He's still in negotiations with CLG and it isn't confirmed as to whether he'll be playing next split.
6) Commented on the team problems during worlds, said that after Week 1 of groups they "weren't all there as a team" but doesn't want to give the public the details of what happened behind the scenes.
7) Says that as far as he knows, Double did receive advance warning before being kicked (rather than randomly at 2am like Doublelift said). He said he himself was told a few days earlier, but wasn't at the house at the time so he can't say for sure.
8) If you're a fan of doublelift then it's fine to follow him to a new team and stop supporting CLG, just don't shit on CLG on the way out.
9) He feels Chris was an excellent coach, but understands why he was kicked. He isn't going to say why though as it's very personal and it isn't the fan's business to know.
On November 03 2015 11:08 moush wrote: Doublelift has a terrible trophy cabinet and winning NA is meaningless. Just imagine if Kobe/Jordan/Lebron never won a ring, they'd be laughed out of any GOAT talks unlike Doublelift's cult somehow assume he belongs to.
It's not like anyone says that Liftlift is GOAT or whatever, lol.
Is he best NA player of all time? Yes. Is he best Western adc ever? Yes. Is he even in top-5 adc all time? No, but he's around 7th, which is pretty good, if you ask me.
Will this TSM be World Champion? Hell no. Will this TSM win NA? Eh, they probably can, why not. Will it satisfy him? Probably not, but hell get a lot of money, which is fair to him.
Imagine if LiftLift didn't have fucking Locodoco as a support at IPL5
and imagine if he actually got along with his team
On November 03 2015 11:08 moush wrote: Doublelift has a terrible trophy cabinet and winning NA is meaningless. Just imagine if Kobe/Jordan/Lebron never won a ring, they'd be laughed out of any GOAT talks unlike Doublelift's cult somehow assume he belongs to.
It's not like anyone says that Liftlift is GOAT or whatever, lol.
Is he best NA player of all time? Yes. Is he best Western adc ever? Yes. Is he even in top-5 adc all time? No, but he's around 7th, which is pretty good, if you ask me.
Will this TSM be World Champion? Hell no. Will this TSM win NA? Eh, they probably can, why not. Will it satisfy him? Probably not, but hell get a lot of money, which is fair to him.
Imagine if LiftLift didn't have fucking Locodoco as a support at IPL5
and imagine if he actually got along with his team
IPL5 was biggest tragedy of single player I've seen in entire League of Legends. Even Faker's struggles in 2014 can't be compared to what Liftlift was trying to do during IPL 5 - winning lanes 1v3, winning games 3v7 with 2 of those 3 being declining faster and faster HotshotGG and bigfatlp.
And this scarecrow almost made top-3, it's just baffling.
But whatever, it's all history now, Liftlift is real winner in this situation. Even if TSM flops, Doublelift will still not only untouched but will profit in money big time, while Reginald will be one to be blamed for "taking arrogant player into team".
On November 03 2015 11:08 moush wrote: Doublelift has a terrible trophy cabinet and winning NA is meaningless. Just imagine if Kobe/Jordan/Lebron never won a ring, they'd be laughed out of any GOAT talks unlike Doublelift's cult somehow assume he belongs to.
All 3 of your posts are trashing doublelift. What did he do to you?
On November 03 2015 11:08 moush wrote: Doublelift has a terrible trophy cabinet and winning NA is meaningless. Just imagine if Kobe/Jordan/Lebron never won a ring, they'd be laughed out of any GOAT talks unlike Doublelift's cult somehow assume he belongs to.
It's not like anyone says that Liftlift is GOAT or whatever, lol.
Is he best NA player of all time? Yes. Is he best Western adc ever? Yes. Is he even in top-5 adc all time? No, but he's around 7th, which is pretty good, if you ask me.
Will this TSM be World Champion? Hell no. Will this TSM win NA? Eh, they probably can, why not. Will it satisfy him? Probably not, but hell get a lot of money, which is fair to him.
The bias is strong with this one. For the longest time of his career DLift wasnt even considered the best adc in his region. Did you forget the countless times he got caught out farming sidelanes earlier in his career ? Best western adc is really a big stretch. Rekkles has multiple split winnings, deep international tournament runs etc on his back.
overall he is the best but there were periods where he wasnt. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. I mean most good adc players were inspired by him and he just had his best split yet ( after he got a competent team and staff for the forst time ever).
On November 03 2015 11:08 moush wrote: Doublelift has a terrible trophy cabinet and winning NA is meaningless. Just imagine if Kobe/Jordan/Lebron never won a ring, they'd be laughed out of any GOAT talks unlike Doublelift's cult somehow assume he belongs to.
It's not like anyone says that Liftlift is GOAT or whatever, lol.
The bias is strong with this one. For the longest time of his career DLift wasnt even considered the best adc in his region. Did you forget the countless times he got caught out farming sidelanes earlier in his career ? Best western adc is really a big stretch. Rekkles has multiple split winnings, deep international tournament runs etc on his back.
You did see who posted it right? :p
Is he best NA player of all time? Depends what metric you use. I don't think there was any point in time where he was ever better then the other players also playing at the time. He's managed to remain relevant for a long time, but imo he's never been super super dominant, and there's always been 1-2 people who were god mode at any given point. He's like a dyrus who's done a better job of staying good, but didn't have dyrus' legendary s1/s2 influence.
Is he best Western adc ever? lolno. Maybe he was the best at the time for a bit in s2-s3, although even then he had massive issues and was basically the equivalanet of a shitty scripter. Perfect mechanics and no game sense :p If you rephrase it to "is he the greatest western adc of all time" or something, then maybe.
Is he even in top-5 adc all time? I mean, if you're including koreans there are probably more then 10 just koreans who have been better then he's ever been.
The tsm statements are all pretty much true though.
Past doesn't matter and he is definitely not the best Western adc ever. He doesn't have trophies and he did not performed at international events past s2. He was losing vs fucking Free/Creaton and Edward/Pinoy.
Is he the best adc in NA? No (Altec better, maybe Sneaky). Is he top 5 adc in the West? No (Niels, Forgiven, Rekkles, Freeze, Altec all better). Did he has attitude problems in past? Yes. Does TSM have resources to pick better adc? Yes.
Marketing wise this is great move by Reginald, but that's all. CLG did what they should have done 1/2 years ago.
Wait, so for three years CLG had a problem with Doublelift "bringing the team down", and instead of scheduling some sessions with a psychologist they kick him off the team?
That's it, I'm done with this stupid team and its awful, awful management.
People saying DL isn't the best western ADC of all time need to start naming names and justifying it. For me he's a no brainer for the title.
Rekkles? Lolno. People want to bring up weak periods for DL but conveniently forget Rekkles' time on Elements. People want to bring up DL lack of trophies but ignore Rekkles played with some of the greatest western lineups ever assembled to get his. At no point in his career has he been even the best player on his team.
Forgiven is in the mix but literally every negative you can bring up about DL applies doubly to Forgiven, and DL is a far more flexible player. Their mechanics are a wash.
Niels has only played half a season. Don't bring him into an ATG discussion.
Sneaky is a good player but worse mechanically and was enhanced by a much better team.
Altec has shown promise but hasn't delivered the same level of performance for the same period of time.
Freeze is actually a decent shout but he's never really delivered for long periods either, though his struggle has been titanic.
Whether he's the best western ADC right now is debatable. Whether he's the greatest western ADC of all time really isn't.
On November 03 2015 21:24 Amarok wrote: People saying DL isn't the best western ADC of all time need to start naming names and justifying it. For me he's a no brainer for the title.
Rekkles? Lolno. People want to bring up weak periods for DL but conveniently forget Rekkles' time on Elements. People want to bring up DL lack of trophies but ignore Rekkles played with some of the greatest western lineups ever assembled to get his. At no point in his career has he been even the best player on his team.
Forgiven is in the mix but literally every negative you can bring up about DL applies doubly to Forgiven, and DL is a far more flexible player. Their mechanics are a wash.
Niels has only played half a season. Don't bring him into an ATG discussion.
Sneaky is a good player but worse mechanically and was enhanced by a much better team.
Altec has shown promise but hasn't delivered the same level of performance for the same period of time.
Freeze is actually a decent shout but he's never really delivered for long periods either, though his struggle has been titanic.
Whether he's the best western ADC right now is debatable. Whether he's the greatest western ADC of all time really isn't.
Genja? Yellowstar? Hell even Yellowpete who was bad but actually managed to accomplish things or even Chaox lol? Dlift has accomplished absolutely nothing in this whole career. He can't be the greatest Western ADC of all time. Losers can't hold that title. I can understand making a statement that he's possibly the best adc that's had a long career but that's vastly different to saying he's the greatest of all time.
I guess it makes sense if you ignore 3+ seasons of league and only ever talk about the last year/two which judging by your list that's the case. Doublelift has basically been propelled to Godhood by people taking the fact that he's never won anything as some kind of training weights. They say "he's never been on a good team yet he's so good" then extrapolate that to "he's the best ADC ever due looking good on bad teams forever". It's sad. He's a good player but people can't seem to just settle with that. They have to always want more.
Using the metrics of results alone blow unless we're going to run around and say lilballz was better than diamondprox, cloudtemplar and insec in their S2 prime
Personally I'd say doublelift has had the highest individual peak skill of any western ADC but all time I'd probably have to take someone that's sustained results and high level play for a longer period of time than he has like Sneaky or Rekkles
On November 03 2015 21:38 Fusilero wrote: Using the metrics of results alone blow unless we're going to run around and say lilballz was better than diamondprox, cloudtemplar and insec in their S2 prime
Personally I'd say doublelift has had the highest individual peak skill of any western ADC but all time I'd probably have to take someone that's sustained results and high level play for a longer period of time than he has like Sneaky or Rekkles
Yea I'm fine with this. I think so too. His issue is he varies too much between amazing and god awful. Needs Chauster back for the consistency lol. My stance was just you can't be the greatest player of all time and never win anything.
Forgiven is in the mix but literally every negative you can bring up about DL applies doubly to Forgiven, and DL is a far more flexible player. Their mechanics are a wash.
Niels has only played half a season. Don't bring him into an ATG discussion.
So, Niels can't be best western adc right now, because he played for only one split? What?
Forgiven is in the mix but literally every negative you can bring up about DL applies doubly to Forgiven, and DL is a far more flexible player. Their mechanics are a wash.
Niels has only played half a season. Don't bring him into an ATG discussion.
So, Niels can't be best western adc right now, because he played for only one split? What?
On November 03 2015 21:24 Amarok wrote: People saying DL isn't the best western ADC of all time need to start naming names and justifying it. For me he's a no brainer for the title.
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Niels has only played half a season. Don't bring him into an All Time Greatest discussion.
Forgiven is in the mix but literally every negative you can bring up about DL applies doubly to Forgiven, and DL is a far more flexible player. Their mechanics are a wash.
Niels has only played half a season. Don't bring him into an ATG discussion.
So, Niels can't be best western adc right now, because he played for only one split? What?
On November 03 2015 21:24 Amarok wrote: People saying DL isn't the best western ADC of all time need to start naming names and justifying it. For me he's a no brainer for the title.
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Niels has only played half a season. Don't bring him into an All Time Greatest discussion.
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