EPTI don't even have friends to play with because I'm an anxious misanthrope. And you know what? I don't give a shit about this change. And if the matchmaking works at 99% of people's level, I'm going to give even less of a shit about it.
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
I don't even have friends to play with because I'm an anxious misanthrope. And you know what? I don't give a shit about this change. And if the matchmaking works at 99% of people's level, I'm going to give even less of a shit about it. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 22:16 Caiada wrote: So go play SC2. LoL's a team game. I don't even have friends to play with because I'm an anxious misanthrope. And you know what? I don't give a shit about this change. And if the matchmaking works at 99% of people's level, I'm going to give even less of a shit about it. Quality comment after 5 seasons of solo queue's existence without much complaint towards the basis of the system. Not to mention that the ladder gives you rank for your SOLO performance in this team game. Jesus, we are reaching /r/leagueoflegends level now. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Then again I think there should also be voice chat and I think I've seen Riot say people are against that, lol. Also this is stupid and plat is the new gold. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS8AsNJWIAA5Wig.jpg) | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On November 04 2015 22:33 nafta wrote: Also you guys overrate communication so much. Unless you are actually good it really doesn't matter at all. It is like the common mistake of people thinking them duoing and being friends makes them better than the average 2 competent players at same mmr. So taking that line of thought, you shouldn't care if you're the solo in the premade 4s game? | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On November 04 2015 22:37 mordek wrote: So taking that line of thought, you shouldn't care if you're the solo in the premade 4s game? no the opposite because solo q rating is going to be meaningless. That means when the system tries to balance it out your diamond 5 could actually be a gold 4. Not even gonna start on the whole boosting thing since it is very common anyway. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 22:37 mordek wrote: So taking that line of thought, you shouldn't care if you're the solo in the premade 4s game? Four premade have an absolute power over you, while in solo queue you are all equal. Communication comes after this. You can try to convince your solo queue team mates to do something and fail. Happens. 5 people can go 5 different ways after all. But good luck even having a discussion with a 4-men premade. Also, in solo queue the blame is not centered around one person. Yes, junglers get a lot of shit, but if your top fails a dive twice and calls out your jungler, the others will most likely defend the jungler (again, not talking about silver elo). Good luck not being blamed in a 4-men premade. Edit: But le me share with you my normal draft 4men premade experiences as the lonely player in the team: 1. Utter silence in chat. As rebecca Black would say: FUN-FUN-FUN 2. They said they are leaving. They left. All of them. 3. I was first or second pick, last pick said he's going mid. I said no, and I picked mid (yes, this one can't happen, I know). I got called all kinds of racist slurs and such. When the game started, they (with their troll picks) followed me around everywhere, and fed like crazy. At the end they said they are reporting me. Can'T wait to relieve the memories!!! | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On November 04 2015 22:35 Ansibled wrote: There should be a solo ladder that is separate IMO. Then again I think there should also be voice chat and I think I've seen Riot say people are against that, lol. Also this is stupid and plat is the new gold. + Show Spoiler + Since you cant get demoted while below plat they might as well combine bronze, silver and gold now. lol | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 22:48 Jek wrote: Since you cant get demoted while below plat they might as well combine bronze, silver and gold now. lol They might as well erase the entire ladder system, and give X (x=number of premades in the queue) amount of Happy Cookies for the premade players if they win. 100 Happy Cookies can buy a Friendship Talisman in the shop. The more Friendship Talisman you share together with your buddy-buddies, the more IP you will get after games. This is all that matters, after all. Having a jolly good time with your friends in this team based strategical-fighter game. (ancient purist players won't get shit, this is not some anti-social game, and you should feel left out if you refuse to buddy-up, and you shall be reminded that you are nothing but a scum, a necessary wrong to fill up the game for bud-buddy-buddies.) User was warned for this post (Lack of even an attempt to have a discussion) | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 04 2015 22:30 Volband wrote: Quality comment after 5 seasons of solo queue's existence without much complaint towards the basis of the system. Not to mention that the ladder gives you rank for your SOLO performance in this team game. Jesus, we are reaching /r/leagueoflegends level now. You may feel that the system works, but Riot has clearly stated they have data and research that shows the experience could be improved not just for players already playing ranked, but for those who have stayed away because playing solo doesn't interest them. I'm all for Riot trying to improve LoL, even if they sometimes miss the mark. While there will almost certainly be bumps along the road, I don't think this will be one of those misses. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 22:51 Seuss wrote: You may feel that the system works, but Riot has clearly stated they have data and research that shows the experience could be improved not just for players already playing ranked, but for those who have stayed away because they don't want to/hate playing solo. I'm all for Riot trying to improve LoL, even if they sometimes miss the mark. While there will almost certainly be bumps along the road, I don't think this will be one of those misses. Bottom line is that they are introducing a new feature while completely erasing an old one. They create new fun experiences while shitting on old fun experiences. Just seperate them for God's sake and everyone's happy. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 04 2015 22:53 Volband wrote: Bottom line is that they are introducing a new feature while completely erasing an old one. They create new fun experiences while shitting on old fun experiences. Just seperate them for God's sake and everyone's happy. Bottom line is they're improving the old feature, and taking measures to address the problems you're complaining about. Riot is trying to preserve your fun experience while enabling new fun for everyone involved. There will probably be a few problems initially, but I think it's an achievable goal. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 23:00 Seuss wrote: Bottom line is they're improving the old feature, and taking measures to address the problems you're complaining about. Riot is trying to preserve your fun experience while enabling new fun for everyone involved. There will probably be a few problems initially, but I think it's an achievable goal. Last picks can ban ---> improvement You can always get what you want ---> improvement Solo queue erased ---> a change Now, this change is either welcomed or crucified, but it is NOT an improvement. Improvement means upgrading something to be better, faster, etc. 70 miles per hour is faster than 60 miles per hour, no one can argue that. Saying dynamic ranked (discounting the pick/ban improvements, as they should be treated seperately) can not be called an improvement (nor a step back, for that matter) over solo/duo queue. Right now, they are taking measures to not only create problems for me out of nowhere, but to completely pull the rug under me. But it's fine, because RiotLyte said he knew in advance it will frustrate me. What a wizard, he is. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On November 04 2015 23:00 Seuss wrote: Bottom line is they're improving the old feature, and taking measures to address the problems you're complaining about. Riot is trying to preserve your fun experience while enabling new fun for everyone involved. There will probably be a few problems initially, but I think it's an achievable goal. They aren't improving the old feature, they're replacing the old feature with a new feature and you can't just say it's an improvement, especially if you state it like a fact like you just did. You aren't the authority who decides whether something is an improvement or not. Probably for most people under Diamond 4 or so it won't matter, but above that it will significantly affect both the accuracy of the rating system and the queue times. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On November 04 2015 23:13 Caiada wrote: Whenever something gets removed, people say, 'no, keep the old one, more options is always better' without realizing that is a load of happy logistical horseshit in 99% of cases. Please explain how the differences here are a 'load of happy logistical horseshit.' | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 23:13 Caiada wrote: Whenever something gets removed, people say, 'no, keep the old one, more options is always better' without realizing that is a load of happy logistical horseshit in 99% of cases. Behold and witness the 1% then. But I like your style, trying to solve this discussion with numbers you pull out of nowhere, and basically saying nothing at all. To show you how empty your case is: - Your favorite champion gets removed. Entirely. So what? 99% you are wrong to complain. - A game mode (blind pick, dominion, ranked, ranked teams, teambuilder) gets removed. So what? 99% you are wrong to complain. - Some of your skins get removed (no fund, you already used them a lot) because RiotLyte says they are too ugly, and he knew it will upset you. So what? 99% you are wrong to complain. - Another champion gets removed. So what? 99% you are wrong to complain. - Your family gets removed. So what? 99% you are wrong to complain. - You get removed. So what? 99% you are wrong to complain. There is flawless logic, and there's your 99%. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On November 04 2015 23:13 Caiada wrote: Whenever something gets removed, people say, 'no, keep the old one, more options is always better' without realizing that is a load of happy logistical horseshit in 99% of cases. The old elo system is much better than the current system though unless you have ladder anxiety or w/e Also I hope by now you realize what a joke Lyte is. Division borders and 4man premades aren't toxic but sandbox mode and voicechat are. Sounds like a cheap excuse for being lazy. I'm surprised he didn't say a new league client would be toxic. Then again, what other video game company hires a fuckin psychologist. Lyte is probably just a scapegoat in the big picture | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 04 2015 18:36 Numy wrote: Honestly I've been playing dota for so long that that just feels natural to me. The game is meant to be a group game not a solo one so it was always weird the primary method of play put emphasis on being solo. DotA specifically disallows 4-man ranked. 1-3 and 5 are all allowed, but 4-man specifically cannot queue ranked because it's the most likely to end up as a shitshow. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 23:24 101toss wrote: The old elo system is much better than the current system though unless you have ladder anxiety or w/e Also I hope by now you realize what a joke Lyte is. Division borders and 4man premades aren't toxic but sandbox mode and voicechat are. Sounds like a cheap excuse for being lazy. I'm surprised he didn't say a new league client would be toxic. Then again, what other video game company hires a fuckin psychologist. Lyte is probably just a scapegoat in the big picture The funniest thing is, if they introduced voice chat, that would be one huuuge thing to argue against. It would suck here at EUNE, but in the US for example, I had to rethink my stance. The ranking system would still needed to be seperate, but with a voice comm and a common language I could live with premade 3s and going up against a premade 5 as 2+3 once in a blue moon. | ||
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