EPTIf it goes through as it is now, I'll definitely delete the game for good and stick to watching LCS.
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
If it goes through as it is now, I'll definitely delete the game for good and stick to watching LCS. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4129 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 04 2015 19:21 Volband wrote: This is infuriating beyond belief. Everything seemed se good until this announcement. I played a lot of normal draft in my time, and playing with 3 or 4 -men premades were hell most of the time. But now I can lose lp for it, not to mention it won't matter now hard hard I try, someone who is a tier weaker than me could be a tier higher than me on ladder, because he is winning his 5-men premade ranked games. Sounds a lot of fun. If it goes through as it is now, I'll definitely delete the game for good and stick to watching LCS. My experience in other games is that 5 man premades are far harder to win at then just playing solo unless you get a team of 5 people that all deserve to be at their rank. You'll get matched up against 5 more often than if you were in a smaller party so any weak links tend to make you lose games a lot harder. People need to calm down a bit. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 19:29 M2 wrote: am I the only one here who finds it attractive and interesting to try to carry 4 premade randoms instead of 4 complete randoms If you like a challenge, sure. But part of soloque's charm were the individuals. I loved to hate so many people. I could tell countless funny and interesting stories about the random people I met at soloqueue, or the banters between them/us. Meeting with a 3/4-men premade will have nothing of it. They will have a game plan, and will try to force you to comply - and if you want to have a shot at winning, you have to. Also, if you piss one of them off, all of them just gonna jump on you. Sure, every now and then you will meet the nicest 3/4 people you've ever known, but that's it. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 19:34 Numy wrote: My experience in other games is that 5 man premades are far harder to win at then just playing solo unless you get a team of 5 people that all deserve to be at their rank. You'll get matched up against 5 more often than if you were in a smaller party so any weak links tend to make you lose games a lot harder. People need to calm down a bit. I see, so that's why ranked 5 plat teams have sometimes a silver player in their ranks. Can't wait for looking at the ladder and seeing how many shitters are at my rank, just because they have a good 5v5 strategy. IN "SOLO QUEUE". Holy cow, I'm just destroyed on the inside. Edit: You know, whether I was bronze or dia, I LOVED the feeling of progress, and the fact that I could pride myself in it. Oh, cool, I am consistently better now and it reflects on my ladder rank! Sweet! But it's all gone now, rankings lose almost every meaning, and even the gaming experience gets worse for those who won't play with premade buddies. It's a serious lose-lose for players like me. Edit2: And even if I was on the other side of the coin, getting to masters with a 5man premade - 4of those guys would be former challanger or master players of course, basically carrying me, while I just play something easy and try not to feed more than 3 kills -, I wouldn't feel good. There would be literally no reason for me to play ranked at all, and that's some huge feat from Riot, because I would've swallowed a lot of bullshit from them. After all, I played support even in season 2, when playing support was basically some hardcore BDSM-simulator. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I'm waaay more concerned about the global bounty system. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 04 2015 19:43 Volband wrote: I see, so that's why ranked 5 plat teams have sometimes a silver player in their ranks. Can't wait for looking at the ladder and seeing how many shitters are at my rank, just because they have a good 5v5 strategy. IN "SOLO QUEUE". Holy cow, I'm just destroyed on the inside. I think you need to go sit down and do something else. People hardly play Ranked 5v5 so the overall ranking of it is pretty bad. Again this is just from my experience in games that have this at a competitive level, playing as a team of people not at the rank you playing vs a team that is is very difficult. If you manage to win in that situation then well those people are really good. The change may be terrible or it may not be. Riot I'm sure will handle it if it does turn out to not work but you have to remember they changing a lot about the system itself so it may be fine. Based on my experiences else where it's not the end of the world as many people think and it may even be forgotten about in a few months when people actually start playing with it instead of just talking about the end of the world based on notes. I do laugh how people always complain how Riot babysits the community by using "toxicity" as an excuse then as soon as they do something the community lashes out saying how "toxic" it's going to be. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
What I love however, that because many people qq over everything, it spawns a lot of white knights for Riot, who even defend them when they are planning something as bollocks as this ranked change. You can't possibly say "just play sth else" after I played and enjpyed solo queue for 3 seasons (skipped S5, was burnt out). I should not be forced to enjoy this not team ranked team ranked. Can't even take anyone seriously who thinks me being on the same ladder as those who constantly play with 4/5-men premades is perfectly fine. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
I can't understand why people would think this is so terrible. More people are going to be playing with people they want to play with. That is unquestionably a good thing for the health of a game that is predicated on teamwork and communication. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 20:09 Amarok wrote: Watching someone go crazy over such a beneficial change is like looking at myself in a time machine. I know the place it's coming from but it's like looking at an alternate reality. I can't understand why people would think this is so terrible. More people are going to be playing with people they want to play with. That is unquestionably a good thing for the health of a game that is predicated on teamwork and communication. You are right. This game is about team work, so the idea of someone wanting to play alone is ridiculous. It's not beneficial for him or his teammates, and it's a complete joke he can (more or less) be aware of his skill level by looking at his ranking after ~150 games played at least. There are so many objectives and potential in perfect team plays, that not only I would erase solo and even duoq (since 2 is still less than 3), I would make a new ranked system, where even if you queue up as 3 or 4-men premades, you have a 15-20 minutes "lounge" time to get to know the random people. They can queue up as solo or duo, but if they refuse to be assimilated by the end of the lounge time, they are kicked from the queue and can not play for 2 hours. If they agree, you can discuss strategies, exchange skype or TS2 adresses and such. I love this. I had trouble seeing why being forced into this premade system was bad, but now I realized I was weak and naive. I was playing this game wrong for almost 4 years now, and when Riot tries to help my sorry ass, I start to cry and complain. (I need to watch some Bob Ross, because reading ridiculous posts like yours coming from someone who obviously never valued solo queue for much is just the tip of the iceberg.) | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
if you want to play with friends this system is more inclusive and therefore better, provided that matchmaking does it's job. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 20:24 Frolossus wrote: if you play alone you get matched with people playing alone. if you want to play with friends this system is more inclusive and therefore better, provided that matchmaking does it's job. That makes zero sense, because someone has to be the odd-one in 4-men premades, and two random people have to be the odd-ones in 3-men premades. But if Riot made a system where every solo player is matched with other solo (or duo) players, then that is some next level programming. But don't forget, even in this impossible scenario, you are still sharing the same ranks with the ones who are playing as 2+ premades, so while your game experience would remain the same, the meaning of ranked (aka RANKS) would lose its' sense of purpose. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On November 04 2015 20:30 Volband wrote: That makes zero sense, because someone has to be the odd-one in 4-men premades, and two random people have to be the odd-ones in 3-men premades. But if Riot made a system where every solo player is matched with other solo (or duo) players, then that is some next level programming. But don't forget, even in this impossible scenario, you are still sharing the same ranks with the ones who are playing as 2+ premades, so while your game experience would remain the same, the meaning of ranked (aka RANKS) would lose its' sense of purpose. that is literally how they claim that the matchmaking will be. in practice i can't say if it'll happen. but it seems extremely unlikely that you'll be the one guy with a 4man team. if you are, just stomp the game and carry the other 4 then flame them for not playing solo or something. and unlike blind pick, how the new champion select is set up, the 4man cannot force you into a role that you don't want to play. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
On November 04 2015 20:34 Frolossus wrote: that is literally how they claim that the matchmaking will be. in practice i can't say if it'll happen. but it seems extremely unlikely that you'll be the one guy with a 4man team. if you are, just stomp the game and carry the other 4 then flame them for not playing solo or something. But for every 4-man group that queues up, there HAS to be a solo player who teams with them. Otherwise it wouldn't be a 5v5 game, so the likelihood of becoming the solo guy with a 4stack on his team only depends on the ratio between solo players and 4stacks. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On November 04 2015 20:37 Fildun wrote: But for every 4-man group that queues up, there HAS to be a solo player who teams with them. Otherwise it wouldn't be a 5v5 game, so the likelihood of becoming the solo guy with a 4stack on his team only depends on the ratio between solo players and 4stacks. yeah, but if you're looking at like one in 25 games that you are the one guy, the net effect on your elo is basically nothing the only real issue i see with this system is how it will affect master+ queues when the playerbase gets significantly smaller and you end up with LCS level groups in solo queue | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On November 04 2015 20:34 Frolossus wrote: that is literally how they claim that the matchmaking will be. in practice i can't say if it'll happen. but it seems extremely unlikely that you'll be the one guy with a 4man team. if you are, just stomp the game and carry the other 4 then flame them for not playing solo or something. Bright options. The only thing missing is a "Thanks Rito for letting me queue up alone to begin with!" button which I have to press if I want to claim my lp. If I lose, the message would read "This is what you get you filthy idiot for playing alone. You just ruined 3/4 quality people's game." and I could only answer with "I'm sorry." All of this, after being matched with a 4-men premade, who won't type shit in chat, because they are using some kind of voice comm., so I'm just out of the loop, and I don't even have the chance to just ignore one baddy and convince the others to ignore him, because buddies won't leave their friends behind. If Riot is hiring, you should send an application. On November 04 2015 20:39 Frolossus wrote: yeah, but if you're looking at like one in 25 games that you are the one guy, the net effect on your elo is basically nothing There are 3-men premades too where are 2-2 randoms, so you have to count those in too. And you are still not adressing the issue of shared ladder. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 04 2015 20:00 Volband wrote: Well obviously I need to do something else if Riot completely destroys solo queue and the meaning of ranks. What I love however, that because many people qq over everything, it spawns a lot of white knights for Riot, who even defend them when they are planning something as bollocks as this ranked change. You can't possibly say "just play sth else" after I played and enjpyed solo queue for 3 seasons (skipped S5, was burnt out). I should not be forced to enjoy this not team ranked team ranked. Can't even take anyone seriously who thinks me being on the same ladder as those who constantly play with 4/5-men premades is perfectly fine. I guess you don't frequent LL enough if you going to try dismiss people as "white knights for Riot". We bash Riot more than anyone else lol. It just so happens I don't really think this change is as horrible as you do. I know it's inconceivable people can have differing opinions without having some kind of twisted moral agenda. You are mad, incredibly so. Your posting speaks of someone blowing a fuse. That's why I suggested you chill out a bit then formulate your concerns. No one benefits from angry discussion. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4129 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On November 04 2015 20:44 M2 wrote: what makes you think that if you queue solo, you won't be the one guy in almost every single game? Someone has to be you know, who else if not the guy who ranks solo? the larger ratio of solo to 4man's is what prevents it from always being you every game. additionally the fact that the queue is supposed to prioritize matching solo players with and against solo players. | ||
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