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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 03 2015 11:31 iCanada wrote:
Maybe the way to go is to allow Quinn Q to go through minions (dealing damage) and only explode on Champions?
They can take away the skystrike damage it s a whole lot of meh.
I'd also prefer for them to add like a 15 seconds CD on her ult and take away the 2s channel time, but that is just me. Its not like she'd be able to use it in a fight anyway, seeing how it dies anytime she takes damage regardless.
You can understand the 2s channel time in the context that the ult has damage, but remove the damage and it frees up the ult to have no channel time which it desperately needs. I like your Q suggestion although I wish we got the blind back t_t
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On November 03 2015 12:02 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 11:31 iCanada wrote:
Maybe the way to go is to allow Quinn Q to go through minions (dealing damage) and only explode on Champions?
They can take away the skystrike damage it s a whole lot of meh.
I'd also prefer for them to add like a 15 seconds CD on her ult and take away the 2s channel time, but that is just me. Its not like she'd be able to use it in a fight anyway, seeing how it dies anytime she takes damage regardless. You can understand the 2s channel time in the context that the ult has damage, but remove the damage and it frees up the ult to have no channel time which it desperately needs. I like your Q suggestion although I wish we got the blind back t_t
Yeah man, I know the feels.
Reminds me of the Karma rework and the Xerath rework.
Why do I like champs everyone else hates?
Zzz...
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I thought most people didn't like those reworks and they were just some riot employee tunnel visioning on them and then classic riot stubbornness keeping it.
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United States11393 Posts
On November 03 2015 12:02 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 11:31 iCanada wrote:
Maybe the way to go is to allow Quinn Q to go through minions (dealing damage) and only explode on Champions?
They can take away the skystrike damage it s a whole lot of meh.
I'd also prefer for them to add like a 15 seconds CD on her ult and take away the 2s channel time, but that is just me. Its not like she'd be able to use it in a fight anyway, seeing how it dies anytime she takes damage regardless. You can understand the 2s channel time in the context that the ult has damage, but remove the damage and it frees up the ult to have no channel time which it desperately needs. I like your Q suggestion although I wish we got the blind back t_t
Personally, I'm glad that the blind is gone, not biased at all, nope. :3
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On November 03 2015 14:38 cLutZ wrote:
I thought most people didn't like those reworks and they were just some riot employee tunnel visioning on them and then classic riot stubbornness keeping it.
I think that was the consensus around TL, but I think in general most players liked the reworks better.
Karma in particular, but they really bodied her kit. She was way cooler before, imo. Could you imagine old Karma with gold items? She would be my main no questions asked.
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The people who actually liked playing Karma/Xerath generally hated their reworks. Opinions varied for everyone else. Karma and Xerath did have significant problems pre-rework, but the reworks didn't so much solve them as steamroll them.
I'm not sure where Quinn stands in relation to them, but my initial impressions haven't been great.
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On November 03 2015 14:56 Seuss wrote:
The people who actually liked playing Karma/Xerath generally hated their reworks. Opinions varied for everyone else. Karma and Xerath did have significant problems pre-rework, but the reworks didn't so much solve them as steamroll them.
I'm not sure where Quinn stands in relation to them, but my initial impressions haven't been great.
I was unaware that there were people not on TL that liked either old Xerath or old Karma. It kind of hurts that old Karma's biggest problem back then is that she required a gold income, but sucked as a solo-laner... then later they came out with support gold generators. I guess she is sort of the same (the shields & speedboost are good), but that Heal was so game changing, and just never got replaced. They also made her damage less consistent, but gave her trading power. Not the worst thing in the world I guess.
:D
But yeah, we'll see what happens I guess.
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On November 03 2015 14:49 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 12:02 Plexa wrote:On November 03 2015 11:31 iCanada wrote:
Maybe the way to go is to allow Quinn Q to go through minions (dealing damage) and only explode on Champions?
They can take away the skystrike damage it s a whole lot of meh.
I'd also prefer for them to add like a 15 seconds CD on her ult and take away the 2s channel time, but that is just me. Its not like she'd be able to use it in a fight anyway, seeing how it dies anytime she takes damage regardless. You can understand the 2s channel time in the context that the ult has damage, but remove the damage and it frees up the ult to have no channel time which it desperately needs. I like your Q suggestion although I wish we got the blind back t_t Personally, I'm glad that the blind is gone, not biased at all, nope. :3
Removing the blind is fine. They can add power somewhere else, she still has an interrupt. It's whatever.
It's changing the ult that people are angry with, I think. Her ult was central to the character feel and was a completely unique mechanic.
Now in the interests of making her more unique they've changed her from being unique to being more like other adcs, while removing a core part of her identity.
Hopefully she gets changed. The pbe feedback thread is entirely people saying they hate it.
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I dunno, if she can find some waveclear then I think she will be fine.
Maybe its something where you could rush Statik Shiv? New Shiv deals +50% damage to minions... how does Harrier work with shiv lightning? Does it count as a "crit"?
That being said, you still kind of want to be able to roam before the 10 minute mark if you are picking a champion solely for "teh roams".
It is kind of confusing to me that they say she is "the" map pressure ADC yet she isn't supposed to be able to splitpush or duel. Maybe I'm just bad or niave, but isn't that exactly the point of map pressure? If I am not causing threat to kill someone (duel) or take an objective (splitpush)... how can you say I have map pressure? Seems like a strange comment to me.
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Harrier is an enhanced auto like a nasus Q, its not a crit.
And yeah I agree. Mobility split push ADC is what she is on live because she has duelling power. They're taking that away in favor of more mobility. But mobility to move where?
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So teemo blind ability becomes unique in the game? interesting
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Old Karma was fine as a solo laner because she could burst so hard. She'd waveclear a lot, be hard to kill, and... yeah, she'd suck against Xerath or Ziggs, and need gold. But she'd be really good at staying alive (or keeping people alive) and she'd be super strong in medium range skirmishes.
Between that and her passive, the rework removed a lot of that flavour.
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On November 03 2015 14:56 Seuss wrote:
The people who actually liked playing Karma/Xerath generally hated their reworks. Opinions varied for everyone else. Karma and Xerath did have significant problems pre-rework, but the reworks didn't so much solve them as steamroll them.
I'm not sure where Quinn stands in relation to them, but my initial impressions haven't been great.
From browsing the old Xerath feedback thread I can say that people there were much more neutral towards the change and willing to work with Riot. Whereas with Quinn thread now you get a lot more people saying that they feel "betrayed" or that Riot doesn't listen to them in the slightest or that Valor isn't given enough to do. It's a *lot* more negative. Couldn't find the old Karma thread, I remember ol' Smash Gizmo saying she needed a rework though.
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Yeah, but that's in part because Xerath players knew a rework was 100% necessary, and in part because a lot of the feedback came from players who didn't like old Xerath. Later in the thread there's actually a heated argument where someone tells the "500 die hard" Xerath players to deal with it.
Quinn's feedback is probably more universally negative because there's basically no reason for anyone to like it. If you liked old Quinn it sucks, if you didn't like old Quinn it still sucks.
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They're taking one of the most unique champions in the game and absolutely the most unique ADC and making her less unique in a push to make adcs more unique.
I'm sad thinking about it.
The rioter working on her says in the thread he wants her to be a mid laner. There's no way she will work as a mid without better waveclear, IMO.
I wish I could go play it on pbe.
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I really liked old Xerath, new Xerath is okay though
I barely remember old Karma
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I say just make her another transform champion and be done with it.
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She's not Demacia enough. Change her ultimate to have Valor drop a spinning Garen somewhere on the battlefield.
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On November 04 2015 00:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
I really liked old Xerath, new Xerath is okay though
I barely remember old Karma
Honestly Xerath is a push for me as far as old vs. new. They did do an ok job of keeping his siege mage identity even if you don't like the particular mechanics. This Quinn change though looks like a bulldoze of a job. It totally sucks when Riot misses the ball completely on a rework.
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I can't speak for the mechanics, but boy does her new ult look silly.
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