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[Patch 5.15] Fiora Remake General Discussion - Page 4
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
Lots of crazy stuff happening | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
I think the MR/Armor item changes are going to be good overall and might help the game in the long run, but these are changes that should occur AFTER Worlds, not right before it. Cinderhulk changes basically nerfed it into the ground. The only reason people bought it was for the late game health scaling. Now that the scaling is down by 40%, it's not worth building unless you get Warmogs along with it, what with the other nerfs to the items that gave MR/Armor along with HP (Randuins, SV, BV, Locket). Arcade Riven and Schoolgirl Ahri are money grabs... Ones that I will have to buy. So, gg Riot, found a way to have fans give you even more money. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I agree that it was a bit too oppressive, straight-up removing some champions from the lane barring swaps or heavy camping, but the game needs lane bullies, in the same way it needs mostly-skillshot champions (hi Ryze). What's next, smashing Pantheon because he still has some match-ups he can actually bully until level 5? Also "thematically". When was Darius a blood-crazed madman? For all we know he's actually a ruthless, very methodical military officer. That'd actually break character if Riot paid attention to that (hello GP). x) The Villain mechanic on Garen is arbitrary and dumb as bricks (but hey, it helps him come back if he dies in lane! ... till someone else on your team dies elsewhere so pointless). The changes to Judgement are... really? I don't care if it's a buff or a nerf, but the spam of "that thing becomes better at levels X, regardless of whether or not you put points in it" is a very ugly way to switch power curves around as they like. I'd rather see things like using bonus AD ratios, and making them increase non-linearly with levels (say a spell's ratio doubles when it reaches level 4, so the ratio is low enough early that a brutaliser won't make you huge, and since it's a bonus AD ratio you can play around the base too), than giving bonuses at seemingly random times. Especially when they have to make Garen slower when he's hitting someone, wtf. Mordekaiser's W can't be self-cast anymore it seems? And no more resistances bonus. Skarner's passive is dumb. Sure, "picking him changes the way the game is played", but really? I dislike the changes to his shield. It's basically Nautilus' now, with a shorter cd and without the "damage" on (h)it, but a MS buff instead. Warmog's condition for the passive is... some other arbitrary shit and have I posted already about how ugly design decision for the sake of shoving band aids in your throat to get what they want is? | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
So let me get this Skarner thing straight. They're reducing his base MS, removing the MS passive on his Q, and removing his move speed component on W. In exchange you have to deal with some point capture mechanics that give him MS and AS ONLY in those areas. Seems like a pretty shitty thing to do to Skarner. I guess Righteous Glory is going to become core on him after the patch. | ||
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ketchup
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 05 2015 12:53 Alaric wrote: You only complete Glory when you start fighting/TPing and not as your very first item so it doesn't change that much. ...Really? A hell of a lot of maokais I see go Glory first, and if not Cata>Shroud/Cowl (both if ur marin because hes always rich)>Glory | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On August 05 2015 12:30 Sonnington wrote: I don't like the idea of encouraging Mord as an ADC alternative. Seems like a cop out choice for people who can't play adc or don't know how to kite. Just play a tanky mage that's kind of an anticarry. So let me get this Skarner thing straight. They're reducing his base MS, removing the MS passive on his Q, and removing his move speed component on W. In exchange you have to deal with some point capture mechanics that give him MS and AS ONLY in those areas. Seems like a pretty shitty thing to do to Skarner. I guess Righteous Glory is going to become core on him after the patch. I'm pretty sure not picking him is core after the patch. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Until towers are down and/or you plan on important TP plays (generally because you have a plan around a bot lane dive into dragon or something), you can generally assume you wouldn't be using Glory if you had it. I'd say it's more about knowing when to complete it and put it to use immediatly, a timing/roaming thing, more so than getting it early. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Darius on the other hand is super intriguing. He lost a TON of lane damage I can't even begin to comprehend why hilt damage % got nerfed on top 213 damage nerf to blade damage and a cast time. Q seems really over nerfed, but, if he can lane thanks to the heal added (although it is questionable with the cast time and the heal being blade hits only) He sounds like he could be pretty fun to play in a team fight, although losing the movespeed on his passive and the ability to put hemorage on someone with the hilt on Q makes me question if it will end up being as cool as it sounds. I'm going to remain optimistic with Darius but I feel like they need to let up on the compensatory nerfs without getting to try it yet | ||
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Kontossis
Canada256 Posts
I don't think in a fair fight, a team with 2 harbinger's can lose with 4 people getting the buff in the middle of a team fight. The thing about the support getting it is that they get it usually after laning phase, so the ADC doesn't really benefit from it, and the 20% increased AP doesn't help any support except like a 60+ min Janna support that has AP items. Edit: The thing about Zeke's Harbinger that I realized is that you want someone that is building AP to build it and you want a physical damage dealer to bind it to. The stats are actually fairly decent for AP carries and they actually benefit a decent amount with the 20% increase in AP. The 50% crit however is way more powerful then the additional AP, so you want someone that has physical damage. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 05 2015 12:16 Kinie wrote: 5.16 is the "hit the nuke button and change the whole game right before Worlds" button that Riot likes to hit every year it seems like. I think the MR/Armor item changes are going to be good overall and might help the game in the long run, but these are changes that should occur AFTER Worlds, not right before it. Cinderhulk changes basically nerfed it into the ground. The only reason people bought it was for the late game health scaling. Now that the scaling is down by 40%, it's not worth building unless you get Warmogs along with it, what with the other nerfs to the items that gave MR/Armor along with HP (Randuins, SV, BV, Locket). Arcade Riven and Schoolgirl Ahri are money grabs... Ones that I will have to buy. So, gg Riot, found a way to have fans give you even more money. Well cinderhulk was kind of a dumb item. It's like you get it and be like 10-15% tankier than a laner or don't get it and not be 10-15% tankier as a tank. Same with sated devourer and on-hit champions. Get it and be good with on-hit or don't and not be as good. Can you imagine if deathcap were jungler only? Or IE? On August 05 2015 13:00 Slusher wrote: I am probly over reacting just feels weird to lose stats from an upgrade Banshee's used to do this. It was weird. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 05 2015 13:35 Slusher wrote: as for the changes to 'juggernauts' who will still be top lane, I'm not sure I'd take the true damage trade over 1 second of silence to keep someone trapped in my E, I say that as someone who thinks Garen is underrated on live so idk, mabye I overestimate his current power. I also dislike as a game design unmarrying an abilities power from points spent in it so the tics per level change annoys me. Darius on the other hand is super intriguing. He lost a TON of lane damage I can't even begin to comprehend why hilt damage % got nerfed on top 213 damage nerf to blade damage and a cast time. Q seems really over nerfed, but, if he can lane thanks to the heal added (although it is questionable with the cast time and the heal being blade hits only) He sounds like he could be pretty fun to play in a team fight, although losing the movespeed on his passive and the ability to put hemorage on someone with the hilt on Q makes me question if it will end up being as cool as it sounds. I'm going to remain optimistic with Darius but I feel like they need to let up on the compensatory nerfs without getting to try it yet yea, I think Darius might be ok. When he has bloodrage passive on, he gets insane amounts of bonus stats. But I'm not sure whether he'll actually be able to get bloodrage reliably since his attack speed is drastically nerfed, Q has also been nerfed in terms of activating his passive. Skarner and Garen got gutted. Morde is interesting and could potentially be good enough for competitive play imo. That dragon ghost is pretty nuts and his Q does a shitton of damage. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 05 2015 14:22 obesechicken13 wrote: Well cinderhulk was kind of a dumb item. It's like you get it and be like 10-15% tankier than a laner or don't get it and not be 10-15% tankier as a tank. Same with sated devourer and on-hit champions. Get it and be good with on-hit or don't and not be as good. Can you imagine if deathcap were jungler only? Or IE? Banshee's used to do this. It was weird. It's almost as if jungle items are a terrible design choice... | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Battle Boss Blitzcranku <3 Academy Darius and Ekko looks cool as well. Edit : This patch so big, so many changes I don't even have time to read through all of it :\ | ||
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