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[Patch 5.15] Fiora Remake General Discussion - Page 3

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Reminder the PBE thread has been revived - please take PBE discussion there, thanks! http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/491813-pbe-515-juggernaughts-general-discussion
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 04 2015 22:50 GMT
#41
On August 05 2015 07:48 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 06:13 Ansibled wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:12 Seuss wrote:
I like that Riot is moving out of their comfort zone and making changes that previously would have been unthinkable.

I think they need a better filter though. Some ideas are just meh.

This is fine, but it should be done after worlds.


100% agree. This is preseason levels of change.


Yea I like a lot of the concepts. Just dam this isn't the time. Hoping the experimentation opens the door for more interesting utility type actives.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-04 23:02:09
August 04 2015 22:57 GMT
#42
Mordekaiser now does 773.5 damage in three auto attacks at level 1.

edit: If his Q still resets his auto attack timer then add another 50 some onto that. 13 auto attacks worth of damage in 3 autos and 14 autos worth of damage if it still resets his auto timer.

It also looks like it works with triforce since it explicitly triples what the last auto attack did. So if you have triforce as a damage item only you will Q-Auto-Auto-Auto for 463.5 then 1390.5 then 4171.5 at level 18 [at level 18 Morde will have 144 ish base AD]

what in the everloving fuck

ed: Even if it doesn't it still bonkers
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
August 04 2015 22:58 GMT
#43
On August 05 2015 07:57 Goumindong wrote:
Mordekaiser now does 773.5 damage in three auto attacks at level 1.


Well he does have a big spiked ball.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
August 04 2015 23:16 GMT
#44
Panth/morde botlane inc.
Also I have recently been building IE->PD->BT instead of LW if the enemy team hasn't really built any armor on stuff like Cait in soloQ. Does this make me a scrublord? I feel that the lifesteal is a godsend in soloQ, and I still do very solid damage.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
August 04 2015 23:19 GMT
#45
Lifesteal is a godsend in any queue. The ability to do damage while not dying (and regen) is underrated. BT->PD->LW/IE is even an acceptable path
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 04 2015 23:24 GMT
#46
Obviously it is incredibly hard to say how strong morde will be without playing him but damn those numbers look fucking stupid.Just do the double relic shield start with blitz/naut/leona/w.e and fucking rek some kids lol.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
August 04 2015 23:51 GMT
#47
I for one welcome no-adc meta
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 05 2015 00:15 GMT
#48
Skarner's no longer has an attack speed boost save for in his crystal range. It doesn't feel right.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 05 2015 00:16 GMT
#49
On August 05 2015 07:41 JonGalt wrote:
Am I dumb or are most of the people in here talking about PBE and not 5.15?

They are. The problem with talking about PBE elsewhere is nobody does it and just does it here.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 05 2015 00:26 GMT
#50
On August 05 2015 07:57 Goumindong wrote:
Mordekaiser now does 773.5 damage in three auto attacks at level 1.

Wut?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 05 2015 00:30 GMT
#51
The math is off because the tripling effect is only for the bonus damage, which has ratios not listed on the S@20 page.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 00:43:14
August 05 2015 00:42 GMT
#52
this is the kind of philosophy this game needed 2 years ago, just imagine where this game could be now if they didnt make everything the same and nerf the top 3 every patch, buff 2 randoms and remake 1.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 01:41:16
August 05 2015 00:43 GMT
#53
So in preparation of all these changes I've bought Morde and Fiora to try them out before they got changed forever... and my god, they're such boring champions to play. Fiora's a little bit better.

But Morde is so locked into a build path he needs spell vamp to spam spells, not just for clearing waves, but also for sustaining in teamfights. And the best spell vamp item is WotA. And he needs CC so people don't just take an E R ignite from him and ignore him. Mandatory. And what happens if someone jumps on you to hit you? You hit them back. A bronze and a challenger Morde would react the same way to trading 90% of the time. There's like a 4% difference in winrate between someone playing Morde their first 5 games and their 125th according to champion.gg
http://champion.gg/champion/Mordekaiser

And I thought Fiora was some overly difficult champion at one point because you needed to know and practice some super hard 5 autoattack combo. But really you can just use your hydra whenever and ult whenever you're about to take damage to dodge spells, heal yourself, and wreck the enemy team. Viola, you've contributed to the fight. There's like no difference in winrate from game 5 to game 125
http://champion.gg/champion/Fiora
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
August 05 2015 01:25 GMT
#54
school girl ahri is actually happening!!!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 05 2015 01:47 GMT
#55
--- Nuked ---
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 05 2015 01:52 GMT
#56
On August 05 2015 09:16 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 07:41 JonGalt wrote:
Am I dumb or are most of the people in here talking about PBE and not 5.15?

They are. The problem with talking about PBE elsewhere is nobody does it and just does it here.

Good point
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 02:05:44
August 05 2015 02:01 GMT
#57
On August 05 2015 09:30 Seuss wrote:
The math is off because the tripling effect is only for the bonus damage, which has ratios not listed on the S@20 page.

Oh that is t nearly so ridiculous then. But damned if that isn't how they wrote and explained it.

What is the bonus damage then. Same as current?
On August 05 2015 09:26 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 07:57 Goumindong wrote:
Mordekaiser now does 773.5 damage in three auto attacks at level 1.

Wut?

s@20 and the riot lead on the ability says that mordes q does 3x damage on the second attack and 9x on the third. Which is 1+3+9 = 13 auto attacks worth of damage in 3 attacks. Mordes new base attack at level 1 multiples by 13 is where I got these numbers
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
August 05 2015 02:36 GMT
#58
Yeah I was looking at Mordekaiser rework, and yay dragon pet!
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 02:38:56
August 05 2015 02:37 GMT
#59
On August 05 2015 11:01 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:30 Seuss wrote:
The math is off because the tripling effect is only for the bonus damage, which has ratios not listed on the S@20 page.

Oh that is t nearly so ridiculous then. But damned if that isn't how they wrote and explained it.

What is the bonus damage then. Same as current?
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 09:26 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 05 2015 07:57 Goumindong wrote:
Mordekaiser now does 773.5 damage in three auto attacks at level 1.

Wut?

s@20 and the riot lead on the ability says that mordes q does 3x damage on the second attack and 9x on the third. Which is 1+3+9 = 13 auto attacks worth of damage in 3 attacks. Mordes new base attack at level 1 multiples by 13 is where I got these numbers


According to reignofgaming the multiplier scales with rank. Yeah, it's still crazy, but you're not going to do that much damage at level 1. At level one it's actually 1 + 2 + 4 = 7x damage in 3 attacks.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 05 2015 02:38 GMT
#60
Q's bonus damage ratio is 23.3% of total AD, and 20% of AP. Base bonus damage is only 3. It starts at 2x damage per subsequent hit and increases by 0.25 per rank to 3 at rank 5. So the third hit ends up being 210% of AD and 180% of AP in bonus damage. Gunblade is basically complete boss, the only problem is his attack speed sucks (Guinsoo's? Lulz).

W has a 60% Total AD ratio on the DoT, and a 30% AP ratio on the final damage.

E has a 60% AP ratio.

R's AP ratio appears to be 4% per 100 AP.

So his AD scaling is much better than before, but building pure AD isn't all that good.

"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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