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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 23 2014 02:57 GMT
#401
On November 23 2014 11:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 11:04 MooMooMugi wrote:
What is the general consensus on the best jungle item to build or does it depend on what champion you play? I just tried Skirmishers and i like the mini exhaust embedded in the item as well as the target sight, but the marginal true damage not so much.

The AoE one is probably the best in most circumstances.

u w0t m8?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 02:59:35
November 23 2014 02:58 GMT
#402
On November 23 2014 11:54 Velocirapture wrote:
I am gonna post my stupid theory-crafting here just because.

Has anybody here tried going smite in mid? If you go mage trailblazer its 2250 for 80AP and 20% cdr. Add onto this that you can smite over the wall for 15% hp and mana plus a buff, or just use it to clear waves since it is 45 sec CD. Hell you could even use the razorbeak buff to clear wards if i am reading the wiki right.

I wouldnt use this on a champ that uses ignite in lane, but I might be willing to part with heal given the sustain boost it gives.

I could see it being used on someone who's just looking to farm up all day, especially since you can get the smite modifier that makes them deal less damage as a makeshift exhaust.
On November 23 2014 11:57 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 11:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:04 MooMooMugi wrote:
What is the general consensus on the best jungle item to build or does it depend on what champion you play? I just tried Skirmishers and i like the mini exhaust embedded in the item as well as the target sight, but the marginal true damage not so much.

The AoE one is probably the best in most circumstances.

u w0t m8?

ranger's or w.e, i don't have the names memorized for the different smites yet.
liftlift > tsm
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 23 2014 03:01 GMT
#403
dude, did you even read description of the true dmg on autoattack after smite one? yeah? probably the best one in most circumstances
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 23 2014 03:03 GMT
#404
On November 23 2014 12:01 Scip wrote:
dude, did you even read description of the true dmg on autoattack after smite one? yeah? probably the best one in most circumstances

it's pretty good, but the cd on smite is soooo long tho.
liftlift > tsm
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 03:05:23
November 23 2014 03:04 GMT
#405
60 seconds to be exact
it's manageable

it's not like smiting jungle creeps is really all that awesome
hurr I got a ward on my own wolves
hurr I got a sweeper active for a bit
wow I stun creeps now, much use
admittedly the frog one is alright, but not as alright is 40+ true dmg on hit is
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 23 2014 03:06 GMT
#406
On November 23 2014 12:04 Scip wrote:
60 seconds to be exact
it's manageable

that's 2 minutes between camps if you use it right off CD to gank between camps. that's pretty huge considering how tough the camps are.
liftlift > tsm
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 23 2014 03:08 GMT
#407
if you feel like you need smite to kill camps in the early midgame then I'd hypothesize that you are probably playing a champion that shouldn't be jungling
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 03:32:18
November 23 2014 03:17 GMT
#408
Been pretty happy with Vi and Pantheon so far, going Warrior on both. Nice to have Bruta build into the jungle item now. idk if solo q or just bad but I have more success with them than going support/tanky/utility Nunu and Warwick. Prob just bad.

Edit: still going Rangers though. Someone tell me otherwise, zz.
Edit2: reading comprehension says Scip telling us to go Skirmishers. Going to try Skirm/War Panth atm.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 23 2014 03:28 GMT
#409
On November 23 2014 12:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
Been pretty happy with Vi and Pantheon so far, going Warrior on both. Nice to have Bruta build into the jungle item now. idk if solo q or just bad but I have more success with them than going support/tanky Nunu. Prob just bad.

Edit: still going Rangers though. Someone tell me otherwise, zz.

scip is telling u otherwise.
liftlift > tsm
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
November 23 2014 03:39 GMT
#410
Pantheon Jungle is ridic. solo dragon at like level 4 too because it attacks too slow, you just block all its autos.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 23 2014 03:56 GMT
#411
ughhhh, watching Piglet stream in 4:3 ratio is physically painful. So much wasted vision
liftlift > tsm
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
November 23 2014 04:09 GMT
#412
On November 23 2014 11:58 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 11:54 Velocirapture wrote:
I am gonna post my stupid theory-crafting here just because.

Has anybody here tried going smite in mid? If you go mage trailblazer its 2250 for 80AP and 20% cdr. Add onto this that you can smite over the wall for 15% hp and mana plus a buff, or just use it to clear waves since it is 45 sec CD. Hell you could even use the razorbeak buff to clear wards if i am reading the wiki right.

I wouldnt use this on a champ that uses ignite in lane, but I might be willing to part with heal given the sustain boost it gives.

I could see it being used on someone who's just looking to farm up all day, especially since you can get the smite modifier that makes them deal less damage as a makeshift exhaust.
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 11:57 Scip wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 23 2014 11:04 MooMooMugi wrote:
What is the general consensus on the best jungle item to build or does it depend on what champion you play? I just tried Skirmishers and i like the mini exhaust embedded in the item as well as the target sight, but the marginal true damage not so much.

The AoE one is probably the best in most circumstances.

u w0t m8?

ranger's or w.e, i don't have the names memorized for the different smites yet.


Thats the thing, if it is only good for hard pushing I will be less enthusiastic. The jungle items are fairly efficient on their own and so the real question to me is if the sustain you get from 15% missing mana every 45 seconds is as good as morellonomicon 100% base regen. If it is then I love the idea of improved farming/objective control and sweeper buffs as bonus utility. Even if you are using it to wave clear it saves you mana on ability use, I don't know.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 04:14:28
November 23 2014 04:14 GMT
#413
Wait, riot introduced new jungle items and midlaners are starting to get grabby with camps again? I've seen this movie before. -.-
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 23 2014 04:17 GMT
#414
Skirm/War Panth, not bad. You melt carries to begin with if you jump behind them. But even dueling a Rammus felt rather easy. Would prob help more if I remember to activate Smite as soon as the duel starts, not 2-3 seconds in. Surprisingly, I don't have this problem (remembering to use Smite on enemy champ) with Devourer Shyvana.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
November 23 2014 04:30 GMT
#415
On November 23 2014 13:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
Skirm/War Panth, not bad. You melt carries to begin with if you jump behind them. But even dueling a Rammus felt rather easy. Would prob help more if I remember to activate Smite as soon as the duel starts, not 2-3 seconds in. Surprisingly, I don't have this problem (remembering to use Smite on enemy champ) with Devourer Shyvana.

That's probably because with Shyvana it falls under the "Do I need this?" test. You don't need any of the blades for pantheon to be a decent jungler, he was already. With Shyvana you do because you need some kind of CC(assuming you were talking about Stalk/Devour.)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 04:43:30
November 23 2014 04:42 GMT
#416
I was fucking around with smite blitz in botlane. 10/10 had fun. Would buy again. Although I think I'll get the MS slow one next time, instead of the dmg reduction one.
liftlift > tsm
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
November 23 2014 04:56 GMT
#417
That's always been the problem with jungler items. Either they are mediocre or everyone buys them.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
November 23 2014 05:00 GMT
#418
does rank decay during preseason? it doesnt matter right since i gt the rewards.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
November 23 2014 05:22 GMT
#419
Negatron Cloak
Has been added back to the game! It now builds out of Null Magic + 350g and ONLY builds into Guardian Angel.

+ Sejuani buffs

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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 23 2014 05:30 GMT
#420
THEY REMOVED NEGATRON CLOAK???
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
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