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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 23 2014 05:30 GMT
#421
On November 23 2014 14:30 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
THEY REMOVED NEGATRON CLOAK???

Jeff please.
liftlift > tsm
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 23 2014 05:38 GMT
#422
On November 23 2014 03:03 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Hey Seuss do you think speccing into the utility tree is better for junglers now instead of going something like 21/9? I feel like those buffs really don't do much for me beyond the first clear.


I haven't been going that deep into offense generally, but if you feel like you're getting value out of it then go for it. I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly the best way to do everything this early on.

My jungle philosophy is basically "focus runes/masteries on the clear, the rest of the game will sort itself out", so I favor mastery setups like 10/17/3 or 10/11/9 for any junglers that aren't very self-sufficient. I imagine moving forward people will find junglers and setups for them that don't require such an extreme stance on things.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 05:42:44
November 23 2014 05:40 GMT
#423
Smite options
Auto-attack - Mixed on this. Does a LOT of damage if you can keep on the target, especially if you're playing WW or noct, or some other autoattack reliant champion, and you pretty much autowin duels so long as you smite before damage comes in. At the same time though, that auto damage only comes in IF you can auto the target, and in today's meta, pretty much every single champ released has some mobility skill.

Slow+damage - Pretty damn good on an already strong ganker. Whenever you have a chance to force a flash before expending a gap closer, this seals the deal. Basically cutlass in a summoner.

Farm - sick good on a lot of champs. Healing+clearing a camp every 45 seconds isn't something to be laughed at. It's amazingly powerful, and keeping up several monster buffs at any given time is awesome. You take so much less damage in the jungle by using this, and on a lot of champs, is the difference from either having to base or use pots, or infinitely farming the jungle.

counterjungle - very niche. When it works, you shut down the enemy jungler, but when it doesn't, or you just sit on it, it sucks ass.

I feel like S4-S5 transition is a bit rough for me because I want to just smite everything on CD, so I love the farming one.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
November 23 2014 05:42 GMT
#424
Yes Jeff, and they also removed Heart of Gold, welcome to 2014 Jeff.
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 23 2014 05:57 GMT
#425
Broooo chain vest is 750 now

I didn't read the patch notes, I just assumed they'd change the jungle. They went through a few items too though, huh?
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 06:49:26
November 23 2014 06:49 GMT
#426
Not that anyone should take anything away from it, but I was just messing around with smite on toplane as GP. Pretty much went machete first 2 pot, stole enemy red (i'm on blue side). Got back into lane, lost lane pretty bad, cuz smite+machete start, went like 0-4 in lane, but was able to keep up in farm by taking jungle camps. Funny part was when teamfighting came around, I was easily putting out way more damage than the Aatrox (the person I was against) simply because of Challenging Smite. Ended up winning game pretty easily after they botched a teamfight pretty hard. (ace'd um only 1 of our guys died).
Next time probably start lane normally, and if I ever find myself with 750 gold when I back, it'll be a decent pick up.
liftlift > tsm
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
November 23 2014 08:19 GMT
#427
On November 23 2014 14:30 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
THEY REMOVED NEGATRON CLOAK???

Errr.... suuuurprise
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
November 23 2014 08:21 GMT
#428
Yo guys here's a thought could we have like a compiled jungle information thread in strategy.
With the new jungle it would be nice to have a place where you can get good information quickly.

I wouldn't mind trying to compile it. If people will give me there information as I have not really jungled at all since the changes
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 23 2014 08:24 GMT
#429
On November 23 2014 17:21 jaybrundage wrote:
Yo guys here's a thought could we have like a compiled jungle information thread in strategy.
With the new jungle it would be nice to have a place where you can get good information quickly.

I wouldn't mind trying to compile it. If people will give me there information as I have not really jungled at all since the changes

IMO need to wait a while as people flesh out how to play out jungle, since it's still so new, also who knows what Riot is gunna patch in the next few patches.
liftlift > tsm
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
November 23 2014 08:25 GMT
#430
oh I found this on reddit. A compiled list of junglers and tips and so forth.

Orginal Post

Google Spread Sheet
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
November 23 2014 08:26 GMT
#431
How quickly can people finish Devourer? I was messing around with Kayle and had it at 10 minutes in a custom game (golems->wraiths->red->wolves->wight->blue; back for AOE smite, boots, ward+pot; golems->wraiths->wolves->wight; have 12 seconds to ward; golems->wraiths->red; have 1500 gold at 10 minutes with blue buff just having spawned).

I imagine faster junglers can easily shave a minute off that time, moreso with a leash, which is slightly worrying. Afterwards Kayle farms fast enough that the camps don't respawn in time :D
Trust in Bayes.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 23 2014 09:08 GMT
#432
On November 23 2014 17:25 jaybrundage wrote:
oh I found this on reddit. A compiled list of junglers and tips and so forth.

Orginal Post

Google Spread Sheet


Keep in mind the guy who made that is gold 4 and there's some pretty suspect stuff in there.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
November 23 2014 09:11 GMT
#433
On November 23 2014 18:08 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 17:25 jaybrundage wrote:
oh I found this on reddit. A compiled list of junglers and tips and so forth.

Orginal Post

Google Spread Sheet


Keep in mind the guy who made that is gold 4 and there's some pretty suspect stuff in there.

hm duly noted. I volunteer scip to go look at and trash talk what ever he doesn't agree with. Then we can get passable info thru the process of elimination.

The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 09:54:33
November 23 2014 09:41 GMT
#434
just going off the top, skipping champions that just don't look like they can jungle
Amumu Juggernaut, when Spectral Wraith was standard last season? Sceptical
Elise Poacher's Knife, wtf? That makes no sense, Poacher's Knife sucks dicks. Skirmisher seems like the obvious choice to me, isn't even listed.
Evelynn All? LOL when are you ever going to get either Poacher's or Trailbrazer, so dumb.
Poacher's Knife on Hecarim? Orly?
Jax All? Hahhaa, the only reason you'd ever jungle him is the Skirmisher upgrade
Listing 3 different options for Kha? Like wtf is this guide even for, it pretty much says "use whatever hurr I don't know I'm a goldie". Useless. Wtf is Poacher's Knife for again?
Lee Sin All. I just... sigh
Olaf: "Using Undertow's low cooldown's, (grammar anyone?) try following up with Stalker's Blade to keep the enemy slowed and the sustained damage coming"
This guy clearly has no fucking clue wtf he's talking about, everything about the guide is trash and it contains very close to 0 useful info.
Doesn't even list Locket as a preferred item for Rammus. Trash.
Lol "Skarner's Strength is in teamfighting". Yeah, no.
On November 23 2014 14:38 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 03:03 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Hey Seuss do you think speccing into the utility tree is better for junglers now instead of going something like 21/9? I feel like those buffs really don't do much for me beyond the first clear.


I haven't been going that deep into offense generally, but if you feel like you're getting value out of it then go for it. I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly the best way to do everything this early on.

My jungle philosophy is basically "focus runes/masteries on the clear, the rest of the game will sort itself out", so I favor mastery setups like 10/17/3 or 10/11/9 for any junglers that aren't very self-sufficient. I imagine moving forward people will find junglers and setups for them that don't require such an extreme stance on things.

What masteries in the utility tree do you even take?
On November 23 2014 14:57 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Broooo chain vest is 750 now

I didn't read the patch notes, I just assumed they'd change the jungle. They went through a few items too though, huh?

LOL Check out Righteous Glory
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
November 23 2014 09:42 GMT
#435
On November 23 2014 15:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Not that anyone should take anything away from it, but I was just messing around with smite on toplane as GP. Pretty much went machete first 2 pot, stole enemy red (i'm on blue side). Got back into lane, lost lane pretty bad, cuz smite+machete start, went like 0-4 in lane, but was able to keep up in farm by taking jungle camps. Funny part was when teamfighting came around, I was easily putting out way more damage than the Aatrox (the person I was against) simply because of Challenging Smite. Ended up winning game pretty easily after they botched a teamfight pretty hard. (ace'd um only 1 of our guys died).
Next time probably start lane normally, and if I ever find myself with 750 gold when I back, it'll be a decent pick up.


I suggest using a standard start for smite lanes. I have been doing it mid but you can keep your build path normal by doing a standard start into brutalizer or kindle/crystal (depending on which you want to go) then it is only 900-1000 gold to go straight into the enchanted item. It seems to work well, although it definitely needs to be tested on a case by case basis.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 23 2014 10:14 GMT
#436
Yo scip what do you think of righteous glory on skarner? Tried it once, seemed okay but the match was kind of a stomp so it didn't really matter what I built.
Glorious SEA doto
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 23 2014 10:19 GMT
#437
I have no idea, but I think it sohuld be awesome. Last season you needed a flat mana item to not run out of mana with Lizard Elder and that should probably be even more of a case now and Righteous Glory looks like a fantastic way to get that. My one concern is that the new jungle seems to give less gold because no gold stacks on completed jungle items, so you might end up needing more tank stats from items, but I think it should be good.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 12:36:17
November 23 2014 10:30 GMT
#438
Tried the true dmg+slow item on Diana, kinda useful but run out of mana too easily.

Also, learnt you can trap red against the wall* with a pink ward
Liquipedia"Expert"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 11:45:49
November 23 2014 11:45 GMT
#439
Trap red against the ward?

What would you do on Olaf Scip, Juggernaut Stalker's Blade so you have tank stats and the damage reduction to duel people while you rain undertows and reckless swings on them, stacking CDR/tankiness with your other items?
(Righteous Glory Olaf? I'd so buy that item if I needed CDR, but a lot of gold goes to the active and mana so not sure how fast you'd build that, considering it's not cheap either so can't delay it too much.)

On November 23 2014 14:57 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Broooo chain vest is 750 now

I didn't read the patch notes, I just assumed they'd change the jungle. They went through a few items too though, huh?

"WTF WHAT DOES THIS CHAMP DO" hue

On November 23 2014 12:39 ChaoSbringer wrote:
Pantheon Jungle is ridic. solo dragon at like level 4 too because it attacks too slow, you just block all its autos.

Isn't it level 3? QEW or QWQ? I assume E isn't that good on the dragon. And how long does it take to kill it too?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 23 2014 12:15 GMT
#440
Every champion in the game with enough movespeed can do drake at any time in the game. Even level 1.

His autoattack is a skillshot, if you have the micro (and movespeed) when the wind-up starts you can just move out of the way.

Champions like Fiora (block one and dash two) and Pantheon (block all the autos) just make it easier. But it's doable with every champion.
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