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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On October 30 2014 00:24 wei2coolman wrote: Not sure if I should dignify with a response. Rather than actually refute any of those points, you've just brought up my solo queue record. I've always said in solo queue anything is viable, it's not like I'm spewing shit about my solo queue experience, I've always been clear that I'm around gold~ without that many games played. secondly, i draw most of my league knowledge from watching absurd amounts of streams, and pro games. (more than i care to admit). Nothing wrong with that, and that's why when talking about champions I often talk about them in the context of professional play and not solo queue. Even if I played an absurd amount (short of me being master/challenger ranked), whatever I experience at my level would mostly be useless knowledge when talking about top-tier play, so games played isn't actually that big of a deal when discussing these things. the only valid point is maybe my improvement over the 4 seasons, season 1: barely just turned 30 before it ended. season 2 i was bronze/silver for most of my season, ended silver I believe. season 3. hovered around silver/gold, ended in gold. season 4: started silver in placement, got into gold 1 pretty easily with only 2-3 losses, decayed into gold 2. haven't had much chance to do a solo queue grind. tl:dr bite me bambi. something something, no frozen heart on ryze, and revolver on rumble. And that response to Sufficiency is EXACTLY the reason I think you are a terrible poster on GD. Granted I get you are responding to someone saying they have been ignoring you - but you do this one liner bullshit that literally holds no value other than to pad your post count. If that's what you're about then do you son, but when a majority of your posts are one liner nothingness, then I have no respect for your posting quality and I don't think anyone else should either. Then again, I am not everyone so to each their own. And it's not so much that I brought up your solo Q record, but that I brought it up in context VERSUS the amount that you post. I even said I could care less whether you were "wood 7 or Faker" just have some god damn experience when you talk about shit. But I guess the absurd amount of streams and pro games you watch qualifies you as just the TL MonteChristo (as I mentioned) and that's cool. I just think it's hilarious you think if you played the game your knowledge would be useless, but watching the high-level games constitutes you to be able to spout literally anything you have observed. If you aren't gonna play the game, but still insist on posting, then why don't you try you hand at commentating? Or analyzing the absurd amount streams and pro games you watch. If you are gonna be the TL MonteChristo might as well do something worthwhile. I just think you are INCREDIBLY useless in this GD and only make my reading it painful because I have to waste my precious data loading 28k+ wei2lazytopostmorethan1line posts. ps 3 games on Rumble, 1 game on Ryze | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On October 30 2014 00:43 Dark_Chill wrote: I know JonGalt is supposed to be a sort of saint on this forum, but that was pretty bad. If you want to insult Wei's posts, then actually insult his posts. I think he did the right thing in calling wei2's posting out because sometimes its just spotty as hell. Citing soloqueue record is probably not the way to go about this, however, as it doesn't actually prove anything. But it's a good start and if he gets better when he gets back we might elect him Roffles Incumbent. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
I also don't think it's wrong to basically report your experience from watching streams. Like, if you watch some challenger dude play 50 ryze games and he always builds frozen heart, or he flat out says to always build frozen heart (at least in solo queue), that could be a worthwhile contribution to the discussion. Probably not as a one liner though. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I think overall I don’t buy this "power spike" everyone is throwing at me because 1. It's solo queue. No one cares about your "power spike". Your power spike is useless unless your team realizes it since you are supposed to be a "teamfight champion". 2. There isn't much actual "spiking". It's not like you are playing an assassin and you just gained enough power to one shot anyone on the other team, or if you are a tank/fighter who just got enough damage/defense to 1v1 their adc. You do freaking AOE DoT and Liandry's does % current health damage. I don't really see why people are tunneling so hard on it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 30 2014 00:54 Sufficiency wrote: OK well I admit I only played 7 Rumble this season and I lost 5 of them lol. But it was at plat 4 and I was playing against opponents on my level. I think overall I don’t buy this "power spike" everyone is throwing at me because 1. It's solo queue. No one cares about your "power spike" 2. There isn't much actual "spiking". It's not like you are playing an assassin and you just gained enough power to one shot anyone on the other team, or if you are a tank/fighter who just got enough damage/defense to 1v1 their adc. You do freaking AOE DoT and Liandry's does % current health damage. I don't really see why people are tunneling so hard on it. this falls in the "anything is viable in solo queue". You could literally build triforce on rumble and probably be okay in terms of ability to win a solo queue game. But what's optimal is his ability to get your team the early dragons just because of his ult, thus making the early pen is much more useful for this case. If you want to play some weird split push rumble (which really isn't optima), then yes, go ahead and grab the revolver. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On October 30 2014 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote: I briefly had this chat with Wave last night while duoing. Learning not to die in lane is like, one of the most important things ever. It's a general theme I see at lower elos - people just don't know how to not die. This is especially important if you've fallen behind in a 1v1 lane. They beat you when they didn't necessarily have an advantage (or maybe they did), so you definitely shouldn't be trying to fight once you're behind unless you know 100% for a fact that you will win the fight. I'm not a great adc player, so I can't really pretend to know the metrics of bot lane well, but the same general theory applies. JonGalt, I love you. I feel like people have this general idea of what their champion is supposed to do in lane but they're not too sure how to actually make it happen? I'll cite a recent example of how a player on Caitlyn tried to take pot shots at me (lucian) at every opportunity, and ended up getting very behind in cs as a result of it. After first back I had bf + pickaxe and she only had bf at lvl6, so she just ended up dying a couple times in lane because she had no idea she had already fallen behind in the lane. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On October 30 2014 00:43 Dark_Chill wrote: I know JonGalt is supposed to be a sort of saint on this forum, but that was pretty bad. If you want to insult Wei's posts, then actually insult his posts. My main point was that a VAST majority of his posts are just plain fucking worthless. I was using his solo Q just to prove that all the shit he talks about he has very little if any experience in, and that is really stupid. For instance, some more examples... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/league-of-legends/467805-patch-417-soraka-viktor-general-discussion?page=40#791 "Meh, it's been impossible to solo carry since end of season 1. Now it's a matter of hinging your bets, and hoping you have another competent teammate along with you, so you guys can at least 2v5" Because the 2 ranked games you played in season 1 were a great indicator of solo carrying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/league-of-legends/467805-patch-417-soraka-viktor-general-discussion?page=40#788 "Teleport smite is the go-to choice for jangle rammus though." 1 ranked game as Rammus in Season 3. Ok ok I'm sorry I keep bringing up solo Q but I can't help it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/league-of-legends/467805-patch-417-soraka-viktor-general-discussion?page=34#674 "He's still insanely strong in soloqueue, problem is game is all about lategame now, and Renekton's lategame in comparison is just not that great" He is talking about how strong Renekton is in solo Q and yet openly admits that he doesn't play a lot of solo Q and mostly draws his knowledge from an absurd amount of streams and pro games. Doesn't that seem contradictory? Ionno. It just seems like 99%, if not all of his posts, contribute literally NOTHING. Like if all 28k+ of wei2can'tputeffortintohisposts posts disappeared TODAY, would we even notice? It's just white noise that pisses me off and perpetrates an attitude that it's OK to post literal shit (or at least better than wei2coolshit) in GD. I have NO qualms with people shitposting, we now have an OT thread for that, but this is supposed to be THE place where quality posts surface. .... And yet no wei2qualityposts. Find me some wei2coolman posts that are quality. That people would say, "Wow great point wei2coolman, I'm really glad you mentioned that." As an example Numy posted the following... On October 29 2014 23:25 Numy wrote: Streaks are pretty normal in ladder but it's possible that it has to do with the way you play from behind. When ahead you most likely start taking risks that if it were even you wouldn't get away with. When behind there's various ways to play and one of those is to take pretty big gambles to try get back into the game, if you play like that then it's pretty understandable why you'd get such big discrepancies. I tend to be very conservative if I'm behind so I normally don't land up with too big a death count but that also means I rely completely on the enemy messing up. Maybe just focus a bit when you behind on the next game on how you want to play. Might help your consistency And RageQuitBM actually gained some knowledge from that. Numy didn't even have to post a lot, but he put some quality thought into that and RQBM actually posted that he will be looking out for that in the future. It even garnered some cool conversation from other posters. What does wei2coolman give back? How does he help? As long as he continues to post terrible fucking shit on this sub-forum, other posters, new or old, will be OK with shitty quality posts and that to me is not cool. But what do I know. I haven't played or seen a game of League of Legends since October 2012 (except for like 2 weeks of minimal time July 2013). Edit: But whatever. The dude at the internet cafe is kicking me out so I'll be back in like a month lol. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:01 Alzadar wrote: Can't speak for everyone but I pay lots of attention to my own and enemy power spikes. Trinity completion on Irelia is the most obvious example. If I was anywhere near even in lane I'm going to go ham, look to force team fights, pressure mid tower, etc. It's no different for Rumble, it's just less obvious when it's go-time. I do too. But the thing is as irelia you can just act on your own and 1v1 anyone you wish. As Rumble it's not as straight forward. In fact, I am willing to bet in solo queue dragon happens 99% of the time due to your side got a kill or two, not because your jungler realized that you just gor Liandry's as Rumble. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:14 Scip wrote: LOL teleport/smite rammus, pretty advanced Wasn't that back when you could abuse homeguard? I remember trying it... | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:03 Nos- wrote: I feel like people have this general idea of what their champion is supposed to do in lane but they're not too sure how to actually make it happen? I'll cite a recent example of how a player on Caitlyn tried to take pot shots at me (lucian) at every opportunity, and ended up getting very behind in cs as a result of it. After first back I had bf + pickaxe and she only had bf at lvl6, so she just ended up dying a couple times in lane because she had no idea she had already fallen behind in the lane. That's likely a big part of it. It's something I feel when I play a champ I'm not as familiar with as well. With Annie or Viktor, I have a pretty good grasp on exactly how much damage I can do. With someone like Vel'koz, who I started learning last night, I had an idea, but also found that I miscalculated a lot. It also depends on experience vs a particular opponent. It's one thing I really noticed a lot S2, when Morg was played mid so much. As someone who pretty much only plays mid, I got really good at dodging Morg Q (a skill I wish I had maintained better), but when she roamed, people got hit by it constantly. Knowing your opponent's limits are just as important, if not more so, than knowing your own. | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
I know I bait my team all the time, it seems a really common way to throw a lane at lower elo. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:19 Scip wrote: Nah, that post was 27 days ago. It's pretty intriguing I remember seeing it in a string of games for qtpie (i think? or was it scarra?). pretty much perma camped bot with teleport ganks, was pretty hilarious. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:26 RagequitBM wrote: I think a lot of the time I get support baited too. Like your support goes all in so you feel like you need to follow up, and they get 2 kills instead of just 1. Sometimes you just gotta abandon your lane partner I think, and it's hard for me to get into that mindset. I know I bait my team all the time, it seems a really common way to throw a lane at lower elo. I feel like in soloQ without understanding how it will go people just default to aggression, a support goes in too deep and at least from my perspective I'll take the low-percentage chance that I can somehow make a kill rather than just leaving it 100% at a 0-1 trade even if going in normally means 1-2 trade. But at least it doesn't put the support player on tilt if I die with him :> | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:26 RagequitBM wrote: I think a lot of the time I get support baited too. Like your support goes all in so you feel like you need to follow up, and they get 2 kills instead of just 1. Sometimes you just gotta abandon your lane partner I think, and it's hard for me to get into that mindset. One thing that helped me a lot back when I started focusing on improving was to give myself 1 specific rule for a game, and follow that rule no matter what for a few games and see what happens. Examples -Focus solely on CSing well. This one can be hard depending on the environment of the lane, but if you really focus on it, it can help you improve there (I should really start doing this one again). -Never ever ever ever ever ever ever chase ever. A lot of the time, chasing ends up being REALLY bad. Exceptions can be made eventually - if it's the last player alive, if there are no objectives to take instead, if you're 100% confident that you get the kill. Even if you chase and end up trading to an enemy that came to help, you end up behind because you wasted time chasing that could have been spent doing constructive things. -Map awareness. As a mid, I started to get pretty good at figuring out where the opponent jungler was based on a few factors - what champ they're playing/where they start, how aggressive is the enemy mid being/where is he positioning himself, etc. Focusing on paying attention to where enemies are goes a long way, even if you don't specifically see them at that time, you can make educated guesses. It's really hard to improve on all the things you want to at once. Focusing on one thing for a few consecutive games really helps in the long run. Win or lose, you end up having a learning experience that you can build upon. (Again, I know mid and bot dynamics are different, but I think the above can still apply fairly well to you) | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:30 wei2coolman wrote: I remember seeing it in a string of games for qtpie (i think? or was it scarra?). pretty much perma camped bot with teleport ganks, was pretty hilarious. you might have, doesn't make your post back then any less wrong | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
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