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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 29 2014 14:18 GMT
#2341
Happens to me too and I main toplane. Many variables ofc, but I sometimes notice when I'm just plain playing bad. Like, I look at the map and realize it's the first time in 5 minutes or I lose a trade hard and realize oh right he just went b to buy and now he has a sheen. Some days it's hard work to stay focused.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
October 29 2014 14:21 GMT
#2342
So after 2 years of reading TLLOLGD, I have a very strong opinion on wei2coolman that I can not contain anymore. This is totally out of the blue, but it makes me super upset and I haven't been able to properly post about it because of my technological limitations but I'd just like to point out why wei2coolman is a terrible poster here (read: THE WORST) on GD - don't give a fuck about OT/LR Threads cause it's 2014 and there's no judgement.

According to lolking.com... http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23496522#ranked-stats

Season 1 - He played 2 ranked games, 1 of GP and 1 of Nidalee
Season 2 - He played 131 ranked games, with his two most played champs of Soraka and Janna at 10 games a piece.
Season 3 - He played 193 ranked games, with his most winning champion being Riven at 8-2
Season 4 - He played 35 ranked games, with his most winning champion being Blitzcrank at 5-2

It's actually fucking hilarious the amount of posts he has and versus the amount of ranked games he has played. The shit he comments on and the supposed ranked experience is pitiful. Hell, I haven't played any games in season 4 (or seen any) and I could probably still post better than him.

For instance.... Just some of the examples of this posts during THIS CURRENT GD:

On October 10 2014 01:25 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 10 2014 00:49 BrownBear wrote:
So how viable is GP with the ult buffs?

I haven't played League in a couple months, but if I can use muh pirate again, I'm patching that shit 5 minutes ago.

he's still GP, though with some CDR, I could see him be a pretty mean splitpusher in lategame.
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On October 10 2014 01:06 kongoline wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:03 Gahlo wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:52 Willard42 wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:48 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On October 09 2014 21:49 kongoline wrote:
hate champions with infinite scaling like nasus and sion, its frustrating to play against the clock dont know why riot thinks its a good idea to put it into the game

Pre-rework Sion was played a lot and was a good champion.
Nasus is played a lot and is a good champion.
Veigar is played a lot and is a good champion.

Yes, these champions are clearly OP and Riot has no idea what they're doing because once the game gets to 45 minutes you instantly lose if these guys are in the game.


Eh, at least Veigar can be assassinated, the other two get way to tanky

To be fair, unless we're talking about AP Sion, every time I saw a Nasus or Sion lose it was because they got to lategame and thought they were literally a demigod and decided to 1v5.

i take 6item 600++ stack nasus over any top laner, no idea who started this talk about him sucking late game but its full of shit

bro, do you even poppy?


VEIGAR GAMES: 0
POPPY GAMES: 0


On October 10 2014 01:31 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 10 2014 01:28 Ketara wrote:
Split push has always been the only legit way to play GP I thought?

Push all day, assist fights on other half of map with ult and/or TP

Before, he used to be a okay splitpusher in lategame. now he's probably decent in lategame. Not to mention with the new ult, he has the option of sticking with team, and using the ult to clear waves, since the wave clear will be more consistent.


GP GAMES SEASON 4: 0
GP GAMES SEASON 3: 3
GP GAMES SEASON 2: 1
GP GAMES SEASON 1: 1


On October 11 2014 15:50 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 11 2014 15:48 cLutZ wrote:
I saw a lot of people were talking about potential Ryze changes (nerfs). I think the very fact that they are targeting his scaling shows us the direction they intend to go in. That is, they cannot figure out how to properly balance ranged and melee in the top lane, and cant make a strong earlygame champion fall off properly. So, I expect more of the "normal" tops to be the desired goal of Riot next season.

Renekton before his changes was at that point, the problem was there were no true "late game" top lanes, except maybe Ryze. Shyvanna and trundle were slightly better in lategame, and mundo had better lategame, but only through tankiness. Ryze and Jax probably the only toplaners this season that were popular because of their damage.


RENEKTON GAMES: 0
RYZE GAMES (SEASON 2): 1
SHYVANA GAMES: 1
TRUNDLE GAMES: 0


On October 22 2014 01:17 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 22 2014 01:13 krndandaman wrote:
On October 22 2014 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 22 2014 01:03 St3MoR wrote:
80 games chat and 38 ranked? what the hell did u do man >___________<

probably went full thorin in chat.

not to stir the pot on the irelia jax discussion in 1v1 isolation, but doesn't irelia only usually get 1 offensive item (triforce) (and maybe zephyr if she's so lucky to get that late into the game)? Meanwhile Jax usually runs triforce+botrk?


my basic rule for irelia on whether she gets botrk or not is
get it if
A) opponent gets it
B) is someone like mundo who has a huge health pool.

It's not worth getting against mundo though... unless you're rushing it first item, and if you are, you're missing the powerspike you would get in teamfights by not getting triforce, and it's not worth getting 2nd item, because you'll get blown up and you shouldn't be autoing mundo that much. The only time getting BotRK is worth against mundo is if he's the primary aggressive splitpusher for their team, which he really shouldn't be.


IRELIA GAMES (SEASON 2): 1
MUNDO GAMES: 0


On October 19 2014 04:51 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 19 2014 04:03 zulu_nation8 wrote:
not sure how this turning player name off thing came about but it's pretty dumb. You shouldn't be playing the same way vs. everyone especially if you have past history to rely on.

If your goal is to improve you should be looking to play a certain way based on their champion not who's playing the champion.


And how much have you improved over 4 seasons to adequately speak on this topic?

On October 16 2014 15:15 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 16 2014 14:52 Vaporized wrote:
i didnt want to necro the ancient thread, so ill just post this in here.

i picked up brand tonight with some ip. only played 1 game but i went 17-3 and it was really fun. that dps is nuts.

If anyone here plays him are there matchups i should watch out for?

i get that he is immobile and the ult is unreliable (those are the reasons i didnt have him yet, the only champs i don't have are ones i dont want for one reason or another). is there some other reason he isnt played more? i see him like 1 in 50 games.

unreliable single target stun, immobile, unreliable ult.

he does tons of aoe damage (if you're lucky), and is pretty decent at kiting if you get rylais. Too many weaknesses, not enough strengths, which is pretty much the main reason most champs aren't picked more.


BRAND GAMES: 3

On October 24 2014 03:53 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 24 2014 03:48 Gahlo wrote:
On October 24 2014 03:38 Requizen wrote:
Thanks for the help everyone! I'll try some max W tonight and see what happens.

It's nice, but unless you evolve Q early, prepare for it to feel like a wet noodle.

what? kha W max does plenty of damage to squishy with W poke, once you get your bruta + lw, hell, it still chunks pretty good with just bruta


On October 24 2014 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 24 2014 01:37 Fusilero wrote:
I'd say hydra is better nearly every time for kha'zix but I don't think it's really necessary unless you're hilarious ahead and messing around. Lizard/Brut/LW into tank normally is sufficient for kha

if you're W maxing like you should with Kha, hydra is superfluous.


KHAZIX GAMES: 3

On October 22 2014 04:12 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 22 2014 04:06 Alaric wrote:
Scarra's playing AP WW mid in Challenger. I don't know if I should laugh at the goofiness, or cry because I'm stuck in Gold playing "standard" stuff. D:

WW mid isn't that bad, he just sustains through everything, and his build usually lets tank through most burst. He's not that wacky as far as mid lanes go.


WARWICK GAMES: 11 (YOWZA THAT'S A LOT AMIRITE??)
How many of them were mid I wonder?
PS 9 of them were Season 2, 2 in Season 3, how many were in Season 4!!??


On October 28 2014 05:39 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:24 Seuss wrote:
Rylai's is better/stronger relative to where it was when I stopped playing, but I'd rather grab an early Haunting Guise to abuse penetration and then divert to Athene's/Zhonya's before committing to LT and Rylai's. That said Malzahar is the sort of champion whose itemization choices are fairly varied, and in the right contexts LT is probably strong.

The biggest reason his item choice varies is because he sorta sucks no matter what you build.


On October 28 2014 06:45 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 06:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away

I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either.

You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead.


Who the fuck cares? It's a very well known fact that I have a soft spot in my heart for the underplayed mids, and I love when people play champs because they like them, not because they're OP.

What elo are you playing at that you absolutely shouldn't play "sub-optimal" mids? Malz can space ebola a wave and walk away, he's got an amazing %hp pool, and a long range, wide silence. They can serve different purposes.

Syndra ult? You can Zhonya and live. Malz ult, you need to get a QSS, which foregoes quite a bit of damage just to survive.

You don't need to get a QSS vs Malz ult though, because you have a team, and Malz ult becomes useless in teamfights pretty quickly. Plus I never said not to play Malz, I just said he sort of sucks, and that there's no clear build path because he sucks, not because there requires niche situations that you need to build Malz a certain way.


On October 28 2014 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:43 Alzadar wrote:
On October 28 2014 05:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 28 2014 05:24 Seuss wrote:
Rylai's is better/stronger relative to where it was when I stopped playing, but I'd rather grab an early Haunting Guise to abuse penetration and then divert to Athene's/Zhonya's before committing to LT and Rylai's. That said Malzahar is the sort of champion whose itemization choices are fairly varied, and in the right contexts LT is probably strong.

The biggest reason his item choice varies is because he sorta sucks no matter what you build.

Oh geez come at me son. That's just ignorance.

Malz just isn't that good. :/ What else is there to say? his builds are all pretty subpar, just because of the constraint of the champion.


On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away

I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either.

You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead.


MALZAHAR GAMES: 0
SYNDRA GAMES: 0


On October 28 2014 06:00 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:54 Alzadar wrote:
Not sure if I should enlighten you on the glory of the Prophet or let you remain in ignorance.

No bad match-ups, great waveclear, gank-assist, peerless when it comes to shutting down assassins. Yes he's immobile, yes his ult is a channel, that's why he's balanced instead of super OP.

i believe that's the definition of sucks.


And this is just straight up stupid.

I realize many of these posts are barely worth a read, as are most of his... 28207 posts (LAWLZ), but this is ridiculous. I can't handle this bullshit anymore. I have been reading these GD threads, every god damn post since November 2012, and wei2coolman is HANDS DOWN THE WORST POSTER WE HAVE. Am I nitpicking? Absolutely. Does he deserve it? 100%. I don't give a fuck what you do in LR Threads, the Pro Scene Evolution Thread, or OT, but holy shit if you are gonna post here or in the Strategy Threads (if I had more time I would ruin you on your stupid ass posts in that sub-forum).

I'm just tired of it. Even when his posts LOOK like they were thought out, I guarantee you it's a leech post. As in, he takes another poster's opinion and turns it into a super vague statement allowing other posters to interpret it as bullshit (which it almost always is) or correct (because it's so god damn vauge you could interpret it in more ways than the Christians have adapted the Bible to fit their opinions).

I don't know if moderation can even fix this, but I am so sick and tired of people posting on here with LITERALLY ZERO EXPERIENCE IN RANKED. I will probably play more ranked games in Season 4 when I arrive home come Decemeber 13 than he did LITERALLY THIS WHOLE YEAR. Not to mention the fact that the champions he plays, he only plays 1 MAYBE 2-3 times.

But maybe he's just TL's MonteChristo and he watches so much League of Legends he's an expert at the meta, how the game should be played, and general commentary on the game.

TL;DR: If you are gonna talk about shit in this game, at least have some semblance of experience. I don't give a fuck if you are Wood 7 or Faker - for the sake of humanity if you talk about the game, PLAY THE GOD DAMN GAME.

ps Or maybe we are OK with this standard of posting, in which case I apologize wholeheartedly.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 14:26:21
October 29 2014 14:25 GMT
#2343
On October 29 2014 23:16 RagequitBM wrote:
Man, I don't know if it's because I play ADC, and just rely on my support to carry me through lane, or what, but how do you guys get more consistent in solo queue? Like I have gigantic swings in performance, literally switching from 2 - 7 - 0 to 24 - 3 - 9 immediately after. And this happens consistently.


Streaks are pretty normal in ladder but it's possible that it has to do with the way you play from behind. When ahead you most likely start taking risks that if it were even you wouldn't get away with. When behind there's various ways to play and one of those is to take pretty big gambles to try get back into the game, if you play like that then it's pretty understandable why you'd get such big discrepancies. I tend to be very conservative if I'm behind so I normally don't land up with too big a death count but that also means I rely completely on the enemy messing up.

Maybe just focus a bit when you behind on the next game on how you want to play. Might help your consistency

edit: Holy shit I don't think I've ever seen Mr Galt so mad
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
October 29 2014 14:28 GMT
#2344
First: That was an amazing post JonGalt.

Second: I can't believe I never thought about that. I'm sure it's how I play from behind. It seems so obvious now, but thinking on my games, I definitely play pretty similar whether I'm even or behind. I need to focus on that more.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 29 2014 14:41 GMT
#2345
To be honest I have been ignoring wei2coolman for quite a while now.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
October 29 2014 14:44 GMT
#2346
On October 29 2014 13:14 cLutZ wrote:
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On October 29 2014 12:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:21 cLutZ wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away

If it's not optimal it's not viable.

That said, Malz doesn't fit said definition.

Optimal and viable don't mean the same thing. IMO something is viable if you can do well with it when playing people with the same skill level as yours


Then viable means optimal, in at least some situations.

The point of the saying is basically to overcome TL Hipsterism where way back in time people would say "Jax vs. Renekton is a skill matchup" (during the uber Renekton days)/ "Jax is Viable, all you need to do is get to late game". When really they meant, "If your opponent is bad/you significantly outplay your opponent then you can get to lategame where Jax is better than Renekton."

And Jax wasn't even that terrible, just a tier behind, there were champions like Garen, Fiora, and even Post-Nerf Olaf that people were saying were "viable" mid Season 3, which essentially makes the term meaningless.



Yes they aren't mutually exclusive. The pool of champs that are viable would include optimal champs.

If someone is playing Jax vs Renekton in there own skill level and can do well with it. Then sure they can call it viable if they want. Honestly it's hard to distinctly call anything NOT viable if someone has had personal experience contrary as each person is in a different skill level and the game changes based on that and as well as there own skill level on the said champion ect. In the end if they can show a 50% or higher win rate its viable simple as that.

I understand what you mean with the term becoming meaningless after a certain point. But that doesn't mean you should try to change what viable means.

On October 29 2014 13:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Well, I mean, you can definitely hit challenger by playing only Poppy/Urgot/etc. It's not IMPOSSIBLE, but it will take you more effort because I am sure everyone agrees that those champions are somewhat deficient in their power and requires expertise to perform well.

For example, say that I can hit challenger by playing 200 games of Amumu - because Amumu is fairly simple to play and is fairly strong; with Amumu I improve fast and rank up fast. On the other hand, I might require 1000 games to hit challenger playing Urgot, because Urgot is hard to play and is fairly weak.

In a strict sense I guess both are "viable", but in reality I only got time to play 200 games, not 1000. The time and effort limits my pool of "viable" champions.


Well I know for a fact that Zekent I think it was played strictly Poppy and got to his skill level High Diamond/Challenger. But yea some champs are more optimal then others. I don't think challenger comparisons should be used when trying to figure if something is viable. But for optimal sure.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 29 2014 14:46 GMT
#2347
JonGalt convinced me.

##Vote: wei2coolman
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Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
October 29 2014 14:46 GMT
#2348
On October 29 2014 23:25 Numy wrote:
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On October 29 2014 23:16 RagequitBM wrote:
Man, I don't know if it's because I play ADC, and just rely on my support to carry me through lane, or what, but how do you guys get more consistent in solo queue? Like I have gigantic swings in performance, literally switching from 2 - 7 - 0 to 24 - 3 - 9 immediately after. And this happens consistently.


Streaks are pretty normal in ladder but it's possible that it has to do with the way you play from behind. When ahead you most likely start taking risks that if it were even you wouldn't get away with. When behind there's various ways to play and one of those is to take pretty big gambles to try get back into the game, if you play like that then it's pretty understandable why you'd get such big discrepancies. I tend to be very conservative if I'm behind so I normally don't land up with too big a death count but that also means I rely completely on the enemy messing up.

Maybe just focus a bit when you behind on the next game on how you want to play. Might help your consistency

edit: Holy shit I don't think I've ever seen Mr Galt so mad



It doesn't necessarily mean that you rely on the enemy messing up. It also means that you rely on your teammates and on your overall teamfights. And there you can see the reasoning why conservative playing is better when you are behind: If you play risky you will probably keep feeding your opponent and the player will be so strong that your teammates cannot do anything. Whereas if you play conservative you give your teammates a way better shot, because a single slightly fed player is not a big deal in teamfights (and/or for your slightly fed teammate).
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 29 2014 14:47 GMT
#2349
Galt hammer == dropped.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 14:52:58
October 29 2014 14:51 GMT
#2350
On October 29 2014 23:46 Prog wrote:
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On October 29 2014 23:25 Numy wrote:
On October 29 2014 23:16 RagequitBM wrote:
Man, I don't know if it's because I play ADC, and just rely on my support to carry me through lane, or what, but how do you guys get more consistent in solo queue? Like I have gigantic swings in performance, literally switching from 2 - 7 - 0 to 24 - 3 - 9 immediately after. And this happens consistently.


Streaks are pretty normal in ladder but it's possible that it has to do with the way you play from behind. When ahead you most likely start taking risks that if it were even you wouldn't get away with. When behind there's various ways to play and one of those is to take pretty big gambles to try get back into the game, if you play like that then it's pretty understandable why you'd get such big discrepancies. I tend to be very conservative if I'm behind so I normally don't land up with too big a death count but that also means I rely completely on the enemy messing up.

Maybe just focus a bit when you behind on the next game on how you want to play. Might help your consistency

edit: Holy shit I don't think I've ever seen Mr Galt so mad



It doesn't necessarily mean that you rely on the enemy messing up. It also means that you rely on your teammates and on your overall teamfights. And there you can see the reasoning why conservative playing is better when you are behind: If you play risky you will probably keep feeding your opponent and the player will be so strong that your teammates cannot do anything. Whereas if you play conservative you give your teammates a way better shot, because a single slightly fed player is not a big deal in teamfights (and/or for your slightly fed teammate).


Well I'm a pretty huge advocate of conservative play but I know that's not the only way to play so didn't want to make it sound like the only option. I generally always say if you behind in a lane rather just play it careful and give up some farm while waiting an opportunity than try to force one and get more behind. It definitely helps a lot in Solo Q but it does have weaknesses against opponents that know how to exploit that passivity. Also I think it's really important to not play that way when in an even situation. You always want to be pushing the limits as much as possible. People find it hard to switch between the two gears.

I find people across all games tend to give up too easily. Even if you are in a disadvantageous position there's a lot you can take away from the game. There's even a lot of fun fighting the man.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 29 2014 14:53 GMT
#2351
Yes but you see, Zekent had like 4 accounts or something and probably played thousands of games back in even S2. He had a wealth of experience on the game.

I believe it's that he is so good at the game that he can turn any champion to be extremely potent. His game knowledge overall makes up for the deficiencies of the said champion.
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Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
October 29 2014 14:58 GMT
#2352
On October 29 2014 23:51 Numy wrote:
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On October 29 2014 23:46 Prog wrote:
On October 29 2014 23:25 Numy wrote:
On October 29 2014 23:16 RagequitBM wrote:
Man, I don't know if it's because I play ADC, and just rely on my support to carry me through lane, or what, but how do you guys get more consistent in solo queue? Like I have gigantic swings in performance, literally switching from 2 - 7 - 0 to 24 - 3 - 9 immediately after. And this happens consistently.


Streaks are pretty normal in ladder but it's possible that it has to do with the way you play from behind. When ahead you most likely start taking risks that if it were even you wouldn't get away with. When behind there's various ways to play and one of those is to take pretty big gambles to try get back into the game, if you play like that then it's pretty understandable why you'd get such big discrepancies. I tend to be very conservative if I'm behind so I normally don't land up with too big a death count but that also means I rely completely on the enemy messing up.

Maybe just focus a bit when you behind on the next game on how you want to play. Might help your consistency

edit: Holy shit I don't think I've ever seen Mr Galt so mad



It doesn't necessarily mean that you rely on the enemy messing up. It also means that you rely on your teammates and on your overall teamfights. And there you can see the reasoning why conservative playing is better when you are behind: If you play risky you will probably keep feeding your opponent and the player will be so strong that your teammates cannot do anything. Whereas if you play conservative you give your teammates a way better shot, because a single slightly fed player is not a big deal in teamfights (and/or for your slightly fed teammate).


Well I'm a pretty huge advocate of conservative play but I know that's not the only way to play so didn't want to make it sound like the only option. I generally always say if you behind in a lane rather just play it careful and give up some farm while waiting an opportunity than try to force one and get more behind. It definitely helps a lot in Solo Q but it does have weaknesses against opponents that know how to exploit that passivity. Also I think it's really important to not play that way when in an even situation. You always want to be pushing the limits as much as possible. People find it hard to switch between the two gears.

I find people across all games tend to give up too easily. Even if you are in a disadvantageous position there's a lot you can take away from the game. There's even a lot of fun fighting the man.


I agree completely. I'd just add that people do not only tend to give up too easily, but they also tend to think of themselves as more impactful for the overall game than they really are. They often feel like they have to carry the game, which gets them into this mindset of doing risky things when behind to catch up. They need to accept that it is okay to rely on your teammates, even in soloq.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
October 29 2014 15:00 GMT
#2353
On October 29 2014 23:53 Sufficiency wrote:
Yes but you see, Zekent had like 4 accounts or something and probably played thousands of games back in even S2. He had a wealth of experience on the game.

I believe it's that he is so good at the game that he can turn any champion to be extremely potent. His game knowledge overall makes up for the deficiencies of the said champion.

Yea and having so many factors that make it difficult to strictly say something is not viable. It could be said that I'm arguing semantics. But all I'm saying is Viable =/= Optimal
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 29 2014 15:07 GMT
#2354
On October 29 2014 23:28 RagequitBM wrote:
First: That was an amazing post JonGalt.

Second: I can't believe I never thought about that. I'm sure it's how I play from behind. It seems so obvious now, but thinking on my games, I definitely play pretty similar whether I'm even or behind. I need to focus on that more.


I briefly had this chat with Wave last night while duoing. Learning not to die in lane is like, one of the most important things ever. It's a general theme I see at lower elos - people just don't know how to not die. This is especially important if you've fallen behind in a 1v1 lane. They beat you when they didn't necessarily have an advantage (or maybe they did), so you definitely shouldn't be trying to fight once you're behind unless you know 100% for a fact that you will win the fight.

I'm not a great adc player, so I can't really pretend to know the metrics of bot lane well, but the same general theory applies.

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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 15:30:36
October 29 2014 15:24 GMT
#2355
On October 29 2014 23:21 JonGalt wrote:
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So after 2 years of reading TLLOLGD, I have a very strong opinion on wei2coolman that I can not contain anymore. This is totally out of the blue, but it makes me super upset and I haven't been able to properly post about it because of my technological limitations but I'd just like to point out why wei2coolman is a terrible poster here (read: THE WORST) on GD - don't give a fuck about OT/LR Threads cause it's 2014 and there's no judgement.

According to lolking.com... http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23496522#ranked-stats

Season 1 - He played 2 ranked games, 1 of GP and 1 of Nidalee
Season 2 - He played 131 ranked games, with his two most played champs of Soraka and Janna at 10 games a piece.
Season 3 - He played 193 ranked games, with his most winning champion being Riven at 8-2
Season 4 - He played 35 ranked games, with his most winning champion being Blitzcrank at 5-2

It's actually fucking hilarious the amount of posts he has and versus the amount of ranked games he has played. The shit he comments on and the supposed ranked experience is pitiful. Hell, I haven't played any games in season 4 (or seen any) and I could probably still post better than him.

For instance.... Just some of the examples of this posts during THIS CURRENT GD:

On October 10 2014 01:25 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 10 2014 00:49 BrownBear wrote:
So how viable is GP with the ult buffs?

I haven't played League in a couple months, but if I can use muh pirate again, I'm patching that shit 5 minutes ago.

he's still GP, though with some CDR, I could see him be a pretty mean splitpusher in lategame.
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On October 10 2014 01:06 kongoline wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:03 Gahlo wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:52 Willard42 wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:48 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On October 09 2014 21:49 kongoline wrote:
hate champions with infinite scaling like nasus and sion, its frustrating to play against the clock dont know why riot thinks its a good idea to put it into the game

Pre-rework Sion was played a lot and was a good champion.
Nasus is played a lot and is a good champion.
Veigar is played a lot and is a good champion.

Yes, these champions are clearly OP and Riot has no idea what they're doing because once the game gets to 45 minutes you instantly lose if these guys are in the game.


Eh, at least Veigar can be assassinated, the other two get way to tanky

To be fair, unless we're talking about AP Sion, every time I saw a Nasus or Sion lose it was because they got to lategame and thought they were literally a demigod and decided to 1v5.

i take 6item 600++ stack nasus over any top laner, no idea who started this talk about him sucking late game but its full of shit

bro, do you even poppy?


VEIGAR GAMES: 0
POPPY GAMES: 0


On October 10 2014 01:31 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 10 2014 01:28 Ketara wrote:
Split push has always been the only legit way to play GP I thought?

Push all day, assist fights on other half of map with ult and/or TP

Before, he used to be a okay splitpusher in lategame. now he's probably decent in lategame. Not to mention with the new ult, he has the option of sticking with team, and using the ult to clear waves, since the wave clear will be more consistent.


GP GAMES SEASON 4: 0
GP GAMES SEASON 3: 3
GP GAMES SEASON 2: 1
GP GAMES SEASON 1: 1


On October 11 2014 15:50 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 11 2014 15:48 cLutZ wrote:
I saw a lot of people were talking about potential Ryze changes (nerfs). I think the very fact that they are targeting his scaling shows us the direction they intend to go in. That is, they cannot figure out how to properly balance ranged and melee in the top lane, and cant make a strong earlygame champion fall off properly. So, I expect more of the "normal" tops to be the desired goal of Riot next season.

Renekton before his changes was at that point, the problem was there were no true "late game" top lanes, except maybe Ryze. Shyvanna and trundle were slightly better in lategame, and mundo had better lategame, but only through tankiness. Ryze and Jax probably the only toplaners this season that were popular because of their damage.


RENEKTON GAMES: 0
RYZE GAMES (SEASON 2): 1
SHYVANA GAMES: 1
TRUNDLE GAMES: 0


On October 22 2014 01:17 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 22 2014 01:13 krndandaman wrote:
On October 22 2014 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 22 2014 01:03 St3MoR wrote:
80 games chat and 38 ranked? what the hell did u do man >___________<

probably went full thorin in chat.

not to stir the pot on the irelia jax discussion in 1v1 isolation, but doesn't irelia only usually get 1 offensive item (triforce) (and maybe zephyr if she's so lucky to get that late into the game)? Meanwhile Jax usually runs triforce+botrk?


my basic rule for irelia on whether she gets botrk or not is
get it if
A) opponent gets it
B) is someone like mundo who has a huge health pool.

It's not worth getting against mundo though... unless you're rushing it first item, and if you are, you're missing the powerspike you would get in teamfights by not getting triforce, and it's not worth getting 2nd item, because you'll get blown up and you shouldn't be autoing mundo that much. The only time getting BotRK is worth against mundo is if he's the primary aggressive splitpusher for their team, which he really shouldn't be.


IRELIA GAMES (SEASON 2): 1
MUNDO GAMES: 0


On October 19 2014 04:51 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 19 2014 04:03 zulu_nation8 wrote:
not sure how this turning player name off thing came about but it's pretty dumb. You shouldn't be playing the same way vs. everyone especially if you have past history to rely on.

If your goal is to improve you should be looking to play a certain way based on their champion not who's playing the champion.


And how much have you improved over 4 seasons to adequately speak on this topic?

On October 16 2014 15:15 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 16 2014 14:52 Vaporized wrote:
i didnt want to necro the ancient thread, so ill just post this in here.

i picked up brand tonight with some ip. only played 1 game but i went 17-3 and it was really fun. that dps is nuts.

If anyone here plays him are there matchups i should watch out for?

i get that he is immobile and the ult is unreliable (those are the reasons i didnt have him yet, the only champs i don't have are ones i dont want for one reason or another). is there some other reason he isnt played more? i see him like 1 in 50 games.

unreliable single target stun, immobile, unreliable ult.

he does tons of aoe damage (if you're lucky), and is pretty decent at kiting if you get rylais. Too many weaknesses, not enough strengths, which is pretty much the main reason most champs aren't picked more.


BRAND GAMES: 3

On October 24 2014 03:53 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 24 2014 03:48 Gahlo wrote:
On October 24 2014 03:38 Requizen wrote:
Thanks for the help everyone! I'll try some max W tonight and see what happens.

It's nice, but unless you evolve Q early, prepare for it to feel like a wet noodle.

what? kha W max does plenty of damage to squishy with W poke, once you get your bruta + lw, hell, it still chunks pretty good with just bruta


On October 24 2014 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 24 2014 01:37 Fusilero wrote:
I'd say hydra is better nearly every time for kha'zix but I don't think it's really necessary unless you're hilarious ahead and messing around. Lizard/Brut/LW into tank normally is sufficient for kha

if you're W maxing like you should with Kha, hydra is superfluous.


KHAZIX GAMES: 3

On October 22 2014 04:12 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 22 2014 04:06 Alaric wrote:
Scarra's playing AP WW mid in Challenger. I don't know if I should laugh at the goofiness, or cry because I'm stuck in Gold playing "standard" stuff. D:

WW mid isn't that bad, he just sustains through everything, and his build usually lets tank through most burst. He's not that wacky as far as mid lanes go.


WARWICK GAMES: 11 (YOWZA THAT'S A LOT AMIRITE??)
How many of them were mid I wonder?
PS 9 of them were Season 2, 2 in Season 3, how many were in Season 4!!??


On October 28 2014 05:39 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:24 Seuss wrote:
Rylai's is better/stronger relative to where it was when I stopped playing, but I'd rather grab an early Haunting Guise to abuse penetration and then divert to Athene's/Zhonya's before committing to LT and Rylai's. That said Malzahar is the sort of champion whose itemization choices are fairly varied, and in the right contexts LT is probably strong.

The biggest reason his item choice varies is because he sorta sucks no matter what you build.


On October 28 2014 06:45 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 06:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away

I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either.

You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead.


Who the fuck cares? It's a very well known fact that I have a soft spot in my heart for the underplayed mids, and I love when people play champs because they like them, not because they're OP.

What elo are you playing at that you absolutely shouldn't play "sub-optimal" mids? Malz can space ebola a wave and walk away, he's got an amazing %hp pool, and a long range, wide silence. They can serve different purposes.

Syndra ult? You can Zhonya and live. Malz ult, you need to get a QSS, which foregoes quite a bit of damage just to survive.

You don't need to get a QSS vs Malz ult though, because you have a team, and Malz ult becomes useless in teamfights pretty quickly. Plus I never said not to play Malz, I just said he sort of sucks, and that there's no clear build path because he sucks, not because there requires niche situations that you need to build Malz a certain way.


On October 28 2014 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:43 Alzadar wrote:
On October 28 2014 05:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 28 2014 05:24 Seuss wrote:
Rylai's is better/stronger relative to where it was when I stopped playing, but I'd rather grab an early Haunting Guise to abuse penetration and then divert to Athene's/Zhonya's before committing to LT and Rylai's. That said Malzahar is the sort of champion whose itemization choices are fairly varied, and in the right contexts LT is probably strong.

The biggest reason his item choice varies is because he sorta sucks no matter what you build.

Oh geez come at me son. That's just ignorance.

Malz just isn't that good. :/ What else is there to say? his builds are all pretty subpar, just because of the constraint of the champion.


On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away

I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either.

You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead.


MALZAHAR GAMES: 0
SYNDRA GAMES: 0


On October 28 2014 06:00 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:54 Alzadar wrote:
Not sure if I should enlighten you on the glory of the Prophet or let you remain in ignorance.

No bad match-ups, great waveclear, gank-assist, peerless when it comes to shutting down assassins. Yes he's immobile, yes his ult is a channel, that's why he's balanced instead of super OP.

i believe that's the definition of sucks.


And this is just straight up stupid.

I realize many of these posts are barely worth a read, as are most of his... 28207 posts (LAWLZ), but this is ridiculous. I can't handle this bullshit anymore. I have been reading these GD threads, every god damn post since November 2012, and wei2coolman is HANDS DOWN THE WORST POSTER WE HAVE. Am I nitpicking? Absolutely. Does he deserve it? 100%. I don't give a fuck what you do in LR Threads, the Pro Scene Evolution Thread, or OT, but holy shit if you are gonna post here or in the Strategy Threads (if I had more time I would ruin you on your stupid ass posts in that sub-forum).

I'm just tired of it. Even when his posts LOOK like they were thought out, I guarantee you it's a leech post. As in, he takes another poster's opinion and turns it into a super vague statement allowing other posters to interpret it as bullshit (which it almost always is) or correct (because it's so god damn vauge you could interpret it in more ways than the Christians have adapted the Bible to fit their opinions).

I don't know if moderation can even fix this, but I am so sick and tired of people posting on here with LITERALLY ZERO EXPERIENCE IN RANKED. I will probably play more ranked games in Season 4 when I arrive home come Decemeber 13 than he did LITERALLY THIS WHOLE YEAR. Not to mention the fact that the champions he plays, he only plays 1 MAYBE 2-3 times.

But maybe he's just TL's MonteChristo and he watches so much League of Legends he's an expert at the meta, how the game should be played, and general commentary on the game.

TL;DR: If you are gonna talk about shit in this game, at least have some semblance of experience. I don't give a fuck if you are Wood 7 or Faker - for the sake of humanity if you talk about the game, PLAY THE GOD DAMN GAME.

ps Or maybe we are OK with this standard of posting, in which case I apologize wholeheartedly.

Not sure if I should dignify with a response.

Rather than actually refute any of those points, you've just brought up my solo queue record. I've always said in solo queue anything is viable, it's not like I'm spewing shit about my solo queue experience, I've always been clear that I'm around gold~ without that many games played.

secondly, i draw most of my league knowledge from watching absurd amounts of streams, and pro games. (more than i care to admit). Nothing wrong with that, and that's why when talking about champions I often talk about them in the context of professional play and not solo queue. Even if I played an absurd amount (short of me being master/challenger ranked), whatever I experience at my level would mostly be useless knowledge when talking about top-tier play, so games played isn't actually that big of a deal when discussing these things.

the only valid point is maybe my improvement over the 4 seasons, season 1: barely just turned 30 before it ended. season 2 i was bronze/silver for most of my season, ended silver I believe. season 3. hovered around silver/gold, ended in gold. season 4: started silver in placement, got into gold 1 pretty easily with only 2-3 losses, decayed into gold 2. haven't had much chance to do a solo queue grind.

tl:dr bite me bambi.

On October 29 2014 23:41 Sufficiency wrote:
To be honest I have been ignoring wei2coolman for quite a while now.

something something, no frozen heart on ryze, and revolver on rumble.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-29 15:31:02
October 29 2014 15:30 GMT
#2356
I can try to put the 'dying in lane at low elo' in context but it essentially boils down to me being bad, realizing I shouldn't fight but seeing an opportunity and failing at it, or getting so frustrated at not being able to farm or do anything in a losing lane you just snap and force a fight.

Both terrible things to do, but those are my reasons for fucking up usually, and I know they're wring even as I do them.

Not sure what other people's reasons for fighting in a losing lane are.

Also got totally baited into posting in GD. Thanks OT Bros.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 29 2014 15:32 GMT
#2357
On October 30 2014 00:24 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 29 2014 23:21 JonGalt wrote:
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So after 2 years of reading TLLOLGD, I have a very strong opinion on wei2coolman that I can not contain anymore. This is totally out of the blue, but it makes me super upset and I haven't been able to properly post about it because of my technological limitations but I'd just like to point out why wei2coolman is a terrible poster here (read: THE WORST) on GD - don't give a fuck about OT/LR Threads cause it's 2014 and there's no judgement.

According to lolking.com... http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23496522#ranked-stats

Season 1 - He played 2 ranked games, 1 of GP and 1 of Nidalee
Season 2 - He played 131 ranked games, with his two most played champs of Soraka and Janna at 10 games a piece.
Season 3 - He played 193 ranked games, with his most winning champion being Riven at 8-2
Season 4 - He played 35 ranked games, with his most winning champion being Blitzcrank at 5-2

It's actually fucking hilarious the amount of posts he has and versus the amount of ranked games he has played. The shit he comments on and the supposed ranked experience is pitiful. Hell, I haven't played any games in season 4 (or seen any) and I could probably still post better than him.

For instance.... Just some of the examples of this posts during THIS CURRENT GD:

On October 10 2014 01:25 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 10 2014 00:49 BrownBear wrote:
So how viable is GP with the ult buffs?

I haven't played League in a couple months, but if I can use muh pirate again, I'm patching that shit 5 minutes ago.

he's still GP, though with some CDR, I could see him be a pretty mean splitpusher in lategame.
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On October 10 2014 01:06 kongoline wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:03 Gahlo wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:52 Willard42 wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:48 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On October 09 2014 21:49 kongoline wrote:
hate champions with infinite scaling like nasus and sion, its frustrating to play against the clock dont know why riot thinks its a good idea to put it into the game

Pre-rework Sion was played a lot and was a good champion.
Nasus is played a lot and is a good champion.
Veigar is played a lot and is a good champion.

Yes, these champions are clearly OP and Riot has no idea what they're doing because once the game gets to 45 minutes you instantly lose if these guys are in the game.


Eh, at least Veigar can be assassinated, the other two get way to tanky

To be fair, unless we're talking about AP Sion, every time I saw a Nasus or Sion lose it was because they got to lategame and thought they were literally a demigod and decided to 1v5.

i take 6item 600++ stack nasus over any top laner, no idea who started this talk about him sucking late game but its full of shit

bro, do you even poppy?


VEIGAR GAMES: 0
POPPY GAMES: 0


On October 10 2014 01:31 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 10 2014 01:28 Ketara wrote:
Split push has always been the only legit way to play GP I thought?

Push all day, assist fights on other half of map with ult and/or TP

Before, he used to be a okay splitpusher in lategame. now he's probably decent in lategame. Not to mention with the new ult, he has the option of sticking with team, and using the ult to clear waves, since the wave clear will be more consistent.


GP GAMES SEASON 4: 0
GP GAMES SEASON 3: 3
GP GAMES SEASON 2: 1
GP GAMES SEASON 1: 1


On October 11 2014 15:50 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 11 2014 15:48 cLutZ wrote:
I saw a lot of people were talking about potential Ryze changes (nerfs). I think the very fact that they are targeting his scaling shows us the direction they intend to go in. That is, they cannot figure out how to properly balance ranged and melee in the top lane, and cant make a strong earlygame champion fall off properly. So, I expect more of the "normal" tops to be the desired goal of Riot next season.

Renekton before his changes was at that point, the problem was there were no true "late game" top lanes, except maybe Ryze. Shyvanna and trundle were slightly better in lategame, and mundo had better lategame, but only through tankiness. Ryze and Jax probably the only toplaners this season that were popular because of their damage.


RENEKTON GAMES: 0
RYZE GAMES (SEASON 2): 1
SHYVANA GAMES: 1
TRUNDLE GAMES: 0


On October 22 2014 01:17 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 22 2014 01:13 krndandaman wrote:
On October 22 2014 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 22 2014 01:03 St3MoR wrote:
80 games chat and 38 ranked? what the hell did u do man >___________<

probably went full thorin in chat.

not to stir the pot on the irelia jax discussion in 1v1 isolation, but doesn't irelia only usually get 1 offensive item (triforce) (and maybe zephyr if she's so lucky to get that late into the game)? Meanwhile Jax usually runs triforce+botrk?


my basic rule for irelia on whether she gets botrk or not is
get it if
A) opponent gets it
B) is someone like mundo who has a huge health pool.

It's not worth getting against mundo though... unless you're rushing it first item, and if you are, you're missing the powerspike you would get in teamfights by not getting triforce, and it's not worth getting 2nd item, because you'll get blown up and you shouldn't be autoing mundo that much. The only time getting BotRK is worth against mundo is if he's the primary aggressive splitpusher for their team, which he really shouldn't be.


IRELIA GAMES (SEASON 2): 1
MUNDO GAMES: 0


On October 19 2014 04:51 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 19 2014 04:03 zulu_nation8 wrote:
not sure how this turning player name off thing came about but it's pretty dumb. You shouldn't be playing the same way vs. everyone especially if you have past history to rely on.

If your goal is to improve you should be looking to play a certain way based on their champion not who's playing the champion.


And how much have you improved over 4 seasons to adequately speak on this topic?

On October 16 2014 15:15 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 16 2014 14:52 Vaporized wrote:
i didnt want to necro the ancient thread, so ill just post this in here.

i picked up brand tonight with some ip. only played 1 game but i went 17-3 and it was really fun. that dps is nuts.

If anyone here plays him are there matchups i should watch out for?

i get that he is immobile and the ult is unreliable (those are the reasons i didnt have him yet, the only champs i don't have are ones i dont want for one reason or another). is there some other reason he isnt played more? i see him like 1 in 50 games.

unreliable single target stun, immobile, unreliable ult.

he does tons of aoe damage (if you're lucky), and is pretty decent at kiting if you get rylais. Too many weaknesses, not enough strengths, which is pretty much the main reason most champs aren't picked more.


BRAND GAMES: 3

On October 24 2014 03:53 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 24 2014 03:48 Gahlo wrote:
On October 24 2014 03:38 Requizen wrote:
Thanks for the help everyone! I'll try some max W tonight and see what happens.

It's nice, but unless you evolve Q early, prepare for it to feel like a wet noodle.

what? kha W max does plenty of damage to squishy with W poke, once you get your bruta + lw, hell, it still chunks pretty good with just bruta


On October 24 2014 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 24 2014 01:37 Fusilero wrote:
I'd say hydra is better nearly every time for kha'zix but I don't think it's really necessary unless you're hilarious ahead and messing around. Lizard/Brut/LW into tank normally is sufficient for kha

if you're W maxing like you should with Kha, hydra is superfluous.


KHAZIX GAMES: 3

On October 22 2014 04:12 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 22 2014 04:06 Alaric wrote:
Scarra's playing AP WW mid in Challenger. I don't know if I should laugh at the goofiness, or cry because I'm stuck in Gold playing "standard" stuff. D:

WW mid isn't that bad, he just sustains through everything, and his build usually lets tank through most burst. He's not that wacky as far as mid lanes go.


WARWICK GAMES: 11 (YOWZA THAT'S A LOT AMIRITE??)
How many of them were mid I wonder?
PS 9 of them were Season 2, 2 in Season 3, how many were in Season 4!!??


On October 28 2014 05:39 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:24 Seuss wrote:
Rylai's is better/stronger relative to where it was when I stopped playing, but I'd rather grab an early Haunting Guise to abuse penetration and then divert to Athene's/Zhonya's before committing to LT and Rylai's. That said Malzahar is the sort of champion whose itemization choices are fairly varied, and in the right contexts LT is probably strong.

The biggest reason his item choice varies is because he sorta sucks no matter what you build.


On October 28 2014 06:45 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 06:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away

I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either.

You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead.


Who the fuck cares? It's a very well known fact that I have a soft spot in my heart for the underplayed mids, and I love when people play champs because they like them, not because they're OP.

What elo are you playing at that you absolutely shouldn't play "sub-optimal" mids? Malz can space ebola a wave and walk away, he's got an amazing %hp pool, and a long range, wide silence. They can serve different purposes.

Syndra ult? You can Zhonya and live. Malz ult, you need to get a QSS, which foregoes quite a bit of damage just to survive.

You don't need to get a QSS vs Malz ult though, because you have a team, and Malz ult becomes useless in teamfights pretty quickly. Plus I never said not to play Malz, I just said he sort of sucks, and that there's no clear build path because he sucks, not because there requires niche situations that you need to build Malz a certain way.


On October 28 2014 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:43 Alzadar wrote:
On October 28 2014 05:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 28 2014 05:24 Seuss wrote:
Rylai's is better/stronger relative to where it was when I stopped playing, but I'd rather grab an early Haunting Guise to abuse penetration and then divert to Athene's/Zhonya's before committing to LT and Rylai's. That said Malzahar is the sort of champion whose itemization choices are fairly varied, and in the right contexts LT is probably strong.

The biggest reason his item choice varies is because he sorta sucks no matter what you build.

Oh geez come at me son. That's just ignorance.

Malz just isn't that good. :/ What else is there to say? his builds are all pretty subpar, just because of the constraint of the champion.


On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away

I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either.

You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead.


MALZAHAR GAMES: 0
SYNDRA GAMES: 0


On October 28 2014 06:00 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:54 Alzadar wrote:
Not sure if I should enlighten you on the glory of the Prophet or let you remain in ignorance.

No bad match-ups, great waveclear, gank-assist, peerless when it comes to shutting down assassins. Yes he's immobile, yes his ult is a channel, that's why he's balanced instead of super OP.

i believe that's the definition of sucks.


And this is just straight up stupid.

I realize many of these posts are barely worth a read, as are most of his... 28207 posts (LAWLZ), but this is ridiculous. I can't handle this bullshit anymore. I have been reading these GD threads, every god damn post since November 2012, and wei2coolman is HANDS DOWN THE WORST POSTER WE HAVE. Am I nitpicking? Absolutely. Does he deserve it? 100%. I don't give a fuck what you do in LR Threads, the Pro Scene Evolution Thread, or OT, but holy shit if you are gonna post here or in the Strategy Threads (if I had more time I would ruin you on your stupid ass posts in that sub-forum).

I'm just tired of it. Even when his posts LOOK like they were thought out, I guarantee you it's a leech post. As in, he takes another poster's opinion and turns it into a super vague statement allowing other posters to interpret it as bullshit (which it almost always is) or correct (because it's so god damn vauge you could interpret it in more ways than the Christians have adapted the Bible to fit their opinions).

I don't know if moderation can even fix this, but I am so sick and tired of people posting on here with LITERALLY ZERO EXPERIENCE IN RANKED. I will probably play more ranked games in Season 4 when I arrive home come Decemeber 13 than he did LITERALLY THIS WHOLE YEAR. Not to mention the fact that the champions he plays, he only plays 1 MAYBE 2-3 times.

But maybe he's just TL's MonteChristo and he watches so much League of Legends he's an expert at the meta, how the game should be played, and general commentary on the game.

TL;DR: If you are gonna talk about shit in this game, at least have some semblance of experience. I don't give a fuck if you are Wood 7 or Faker - for the sake of humanity if you talk about the game, PLAY THE GOD DAMN GAME.

ps Or maybe we are OK with this standard of posting, in which case I apologize wholeheartedly.

Not sure if I should dignify with a response.

Rather than actually refute any of those points, you've just brought up my solo queue record. I've always said in solo queue anything is viable, it's not like I'm spewing shit about my solo queue experience, I've always been clear that I'm around gold~ without that many games played.

secondly, i draw most of my league knowledge from watching absurd amounts of streams, and pro games. (more than i care to admit). Nothing wrong with that, and that's why when talking about champions I often talk about them in the context of professional play and not solo queue. Even if I played an absurd amount (short of me being master/challenger ranked), whatever I experience at my level would mostly be useless knowledge when talking about top-tier play, so games played isn't actually that big of a deal when discussing these things.

the only valid point is maybe my improvement over the 4 seasons, season 1: barely just turned 30 before it ended. season 2 i was bronze/silver for most of my season, ended silver I believe. season 3. hovered around silver/gold, ended in gold. season 4: started silver in placement, got into gold 1 pretty easily with only 2-3 losses, decayed into gold 2. haven't had much chance to do a solo queue grind.

tl:dr bite me bambi.

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On October 29 2014 23:41 Sufficiency wrote:
To be honest I have been ignoring wei2coolman for quite a while now.

something something, no frozen heart on ryze, and revolver on rumble.


Something something situational. Something something don't do it every game. Something something you don't need to build the same items every game
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 29 2014 15:33 GMT
#2358
On October 30 2014 00:32 Sufficiency wrote:
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On October 30 2014 00:24 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 29 2014 23:21 JonGalt wrote:
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So after 2 years of reading TLLOLGD, I have a very strong opinion on wei2coolman that I can not contain anymore. This is totally out of the blue, but it makes me super upset and I haven't been able to properly post about it because of my technological limitations but I'd just like to point out why wei2coolman is a terrible poster here (read: THE WORST) on GD - don't give a fuck about OT/LR Threads cause it's 2014 and there's no judgement.

According to lolking.com... http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23496522#ranked-stats

Season 1 - He played 2 ranked games, 1 of GP and 1 of Nidalee
Season 2 - He played 131 ranked games, with his two most played champs of Soraka and Janna at 10 games a piece.
Season 3 - He played 193 ranked games, with his most winning champion being Riven at 8-2
Season 4 - He played 35 ranked games, with his most winning champion being Blitzcrank at 5-2

It's actually fucking hilarious the amount of posts he has and versus the amount of ranked games he has played. The shit he comments on and the supposed ranked experience is pitiful. Hell, I haven't played any games in season 4 (or seen any) and I could probably still post better than him.

For instance.... Just some of the examples of this posts during THIS CURRENT GD:

On October 10 2014 01:25 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 10 2014 00:49 BrownBear wrote:
So how viable is GP with the ult buffs?

I haven't played League in a couple months, but if I can use muh pirate again, I'm patching that shit 5 minutes ago.

he's still GP, though with some CDR, I could see him be a pretty mean splitpusher in lategame.
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On October 10 2014 01:06 kongoline wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:03 Gahlo wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:52 Willard42 wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:48 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On October 09 2014 21:49 kongoline wrote:
hate champions with infinite scaling like nasus and sion, its frustrating to play against the clock dont know why riot thinks its a good idea to put it into the game

Pre-rework Sion was played a lot and was a good champion.
Nasus is played a lot and is a good champion.
Veigar is played a lot and is a good champion.

Yes, these champions are clearly OP and Riot has no idea what they're doing because once the game gets to 45 minutes you instantly lose if these guys are in the game.


Eh, at least Veigar can be assassinated, the other two get way to tanky

To be fair, unless we're talking about AP Sion, every time I saw a Nasus or Sion lose it was because they got to lategame and thought they were literally a demigod and decided to 1v5.

i take 6item 600++ stack nasus over any top laner, no idea who started this talk about him sucking late game but its full of shit

bro, do you even poppy?


VEIGAR GAMES: 0
POPPY GAMES: 0


On October 10 2014 01:31 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 10 2014 01:28 Ketara wrote:
Split push has always been the only legit way to play GP I thought?

Push all day, assist fights on other half of map with ult and/or TP

Before, he used to be a okay splitpusher in lategame. now he's probably decent in lategame. Not to mention with the new ult, he has the option of sticking with team, and using the ult to clear waves, since the wave clear will be more consistent.


GP GAMES SEASON 4: 0
GP GAMES SEASON 3: 3
GP GAMES SEASON 2: 1
GP GAMES SEASON 1: 1


On October 11 2014 15:50 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 11 2014 15:48 cLutZ wrote:
I saw a lot of people were talking about potential Ryze changes (nerfs). I think the very fact that they are targeting his scaling shows us the direction they intend to go in. That is, they cannot figure out how to properly balance ranged and melee in the top lane, and cant make a strong earlygame champion fall off properly. So, I expect more of the "normal" tops to be the desired goal of Riot next season.

Renekton before his changes was at that point, the problem was there were no true "late game" top lanes, except maybe Ryze. Shyvanna and trundle were slightly better in lategame, and mundo had better lategame, but only through tankiness. Ryze and Jax probably the only toplaners this season that were popular because of their damage.


RENEKTON GAMES: 0
RYZE GAMES (SEASON 2): 1
SHYVANA GAMES: 1
TRUNDLE GAMES: 0


On October 22 2014 01:17 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 22 2014 01:13 krndandaman wrote:
On October 22 2014 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 22 2014 01:03 St3MoR wrote:
80 games chat and 38 ranked? what the hell did u do man >___________<

probably went full thorin in chat.

not to stir the pot on the irelia jax discussion in 1v1 isolation, but doesn't irelia only usually get 1 offensive item (triforce) (and maybe zephyr if she's so lucky to get that late into the game)? Meanwhile Jax usually runs triforce+botrk?


my basic rule for irelia on whether she gets botrk or not is
get it if
A) opponent gets it
B) is someone like mundo who has a huge health pool.

It's not worth getting against mundo though... unless you're rushing it first item, and if you are, you're missing the powerspike you would get in teamfights by not getting triforce, and it's not worth getting 2nd item, because you'll get blown up and you shouldn't be autoing mundo that much. The only time getting BotRK is worth against mundo is if he's the primary aggressive splitpusher for their team, which he really shouldn't be.


IRELIA GAMES (SEASON 2): 1
MUNDO GAMES: 0


On October 19 2014 04:51 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 19 2014 04:03 zulu_nation8 wrote:
not sure how this turning player name off thing came about but it's pretty dumb. You shouldn't be playing the same way vs. everyone especially if you have past history to rely on.

If your goal is to improve you should be looking to play a certain way based on their champion not who's playing the champion.


And how much have you improved over 4 seasons to adequately speak on this topic?

On October 16 2014 15:15 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 16 2014 14:52 Vaporized wrote:
i didnt want to necro the ancient thread, so ill just post this in here.

i picked up brand tonight with some ip. only played 1 game but i went 17-3 and it was really fun. that dps is nuts.

If anyone here plays him are there matchups i should watch out for?

i get that he is immobile and the ult is unreliable (those are the reasons i didnt have him yet, the only champs i don't have are ones i dont want for one reason or another). is there some other reason he isnt played more? i see him like 1 in 50 games.

unreliable single target stun, immobile, unreliable ult.

he does tons of aoe damage (if you're lucky), and is pretty decent at kiting if you get rylais. Too many weaknesses, not enough strengths, which is pretty much the main reason most champs aren't picked more.


BRAND GAMES: 3

On October 24 2014 03:53 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 24 2014 03:48 Gahlo wrote:
On October 24 2014 03:38 Requizen wrote:
Thanks for the help everyone! I'll try some max W tonight and see what happens.

It's nice, but unless you evolve Q early, prepare for it to feel like a wet noodle.

what? kha W max does plenty of damage to squishy with W poke, once you get your bruta + lw, hell, it still chunks pretty good with just bruta


On October 24 2014 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 24 2014 01:37 Fusilero wrote:
I'd say hydra is better nearly every time for kha'zix but I don't think it's really necessary unless you're hilarious ahead and messing around. Lizard/Brut/LW into tank normally is sufficient for kha

if you're W maxing like you should with Kha, hydra is superfluous.


KHAZIX GAMES: 3

On October 22 2014 04:12 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 22 2014 04:06 Alaric wrote:
Scarra's playing AP WW mid in Challenger. I don't know if I should laugh at the goofiness, or cry because I'm stuck in Gold playing "standard" stuff. D:

WW mid isn't that bad, he just sustains through everything, and his build usually lets tank through most burst. He's not that wacky as far as mid lanes go.


WARWICK GAMES: 11 (YOWZA THAT'S A LOT AMIRITE??)
How many of them were mid I wonder?
PS 9 of them were Season 2, 2 in Season 3, how many were in Season 4!!??


On October 28 2014 05:39 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:24 Seuss wrote:
Rylai's is better/stronger relative to where it was when I stopped playing, but I'd rather grab an early Haunting Guise to abuse penetration and then divert to Athene's/Zhonya's before committing to LT and Rylai's. That said Malzahar is the sort of champion whose itemization choices are fairly varied, and in the right contexts LT is probably strong.

The biggest reason his item choice varies is because he sorta sucks no matter what you build.


On October 28 2014 06:45 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 06:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away

I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either.

You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead.


Who the fuck cares? It's a very well known fact that I have a soft spot in my heart for the underplayed mids, and I love when people play champs because they like them, not because they're OP.

What elo are you playing at that you absolutely shouldn't play "sub-optimal" mids? Malz can space ebola a wave and walk away, he's got an amazing %hp pool, and a long range, wide silence. They can serve different purposes.

Syndra ult? You can Zhonya and live. Malz ult, you need to get a QSS, which foregoes quite a bit of damage just to survive.

You don't need to get a QSS vs Malz ult though, because you have a team, and Malz ult becomes useless in teamfights pretty quickly. Plus I never said not to play Malz, I just said he sort of sucks, and that there's no clear build path because he sucks, not because there requires niche situations that you need to build Malz a certain way.


On October 28 2014 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:43 Alzadar wrote:
On October 28 2014 05:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 28 2014 05:24 Seuss wrote:
Rylai's is better/stronger relative to where it was when I stopped playing, but I'd rather grab an early Haunting Guise to abuse penetration and then divert to Athene's/Zhonya's before committing to LT and Rylai's. That said Malzahar is the sort of champion whose itemization choices are fairly varied, and in the right contexts LT is probably strong.

The biggest reason his item choice varies is because he sorta sucks no matter what you build.

Oh geez come at me son. That's just ignorance.

Malz just isn't that good. :/ What else is there to say? his builds are all pretty subpar, just because of the constraint of the champion.


On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away

I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either.

You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead.


MALZAHAR GAMES: 0
SYNDRA GAMES: 0


On October 28 2014 06:00 wei2coolman wrote:
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On October 28 2014 05:54 Alzadar wrote:
Not sure if I should enlighten you on the glory of the Prophet or let you remain in ignorance.

No bad match-ups, great waveclear, gank-assist, peerless when it comes to shutting down assassins. Yes he's immobile, yes his ult is a channel, that's why he's balanced instead of super OP.

i believe that's the definition of sucks.


And this is just straight up stupid.

I realize many of these posts are barely worth a read, as are most of his... 28207 posts (LAWLZ), but this is ridiculous. I can't handle this bullshit anymore. I have been reading these GD threads, every god damn post since November 2012, and wei2coolman is HANDS DOWN THE WORST POSTER WE HAVE. Am I nitpicking? Absolutely. Does he deserve it? 100%. I don't give a fuck what you do in LR Threads, the Pro Scene Evolution Thread, or OT, but holy shit if you are gonna post here or in the Strategy Threads (if I had more time I would ruin you on your stupid ass posts in that sub-forum).

I'm just tired of it. Even when his posts LOOK like they were thought out, I guarantee you it's a leech post. As in, he takes another poster's opinion and turns it into a super vague statement allowing other posters to interpret it as bullshit (which it almost always is) or correct (because it's so god damn vauge you could interpret it in more ways than the Christians have adapted the Bible to fit their opinions).

I don't know if moderation can even fix this, but I am so sick and tired of people posting on here with LITERALLY ZERO EXPERIENCE IN RANKED. I will probably play more ranked games in Season 4 when I arrive home come Decemeber 13 than he did LITERALLY THIS WHOLE YEAR. Not to mention the fact that the champions he plays, he only plays 1 MAYBE 2-3 times.

But maybe he's just TL's MonteChristo and he watches so much League of Legends he's an expert at the meta, how the game should be played, and general commentary on the game.

TL;DR: If you are gonna talk about shit in this game, at least have some semblance of experience. I don't give a fuck if you are Wood 7 or Faker - for the sake of humanity if you talk about the game, PLAY THE GOD DAMN GAME.

ps Or maybe we are OK with this standard of posting, in which case I apologize wholeheartedly.

Not sure if I should dignify with a response.

Rather than actually refute any of those points, you've just brought up my solo queue record. I've always said in solo queue anything is viable, it's not like I'm spewing shit about my solo queue experience, I've always been clear that I'm around gold~ without that many games played.

secondly, i draw most of my league knowledge from watching absurd amounts of streams, and pro games. (more than i care to admit). Nothing wrong with that, and that's why when talking about champions I often talk about them in the context of professional play and not solo queue. Even if I played an absurd amount (short of me being master/challenger ranked), whatever I experience at my level would mostly be useless knowledge when talking about top-tier play, so games played isn't actually that big of a deal when discussing these things.

the only valid point is maybe my improvement over the 4 seasons, season 1: barely just turned 30 before it ended. season 2 i was bronze/silver for most of my season, ended silver I believe. season 3. hovered around silver/gold, ended in gold. season 4: started silver in placement, got into gold 1 pretty easily with only 2-3 losses, decayed into gold 2. haven't had much chance to do a solo queue grind.

tl:dr bite me bambi.

On October 29 2014 23:41 Sufficiency wrote:
To be honest I have been ignoring wei2coolman for quite a while now.

something something, no frozen heart on ryze, and revolver on rumble.


Something something situational. Something something don't do it every game. Something something you don't need to build the same items every game

yes, please tell me the 1 in a trillion game context that you play ryze, and you don't build frozen heart.
liftlift > tsm
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October 29 2014 15:33 GMT
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you're both awful

now stop
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October 29 2014 15:42 GMT
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