EPTBut yea it's weak, buy pots.
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
But yea it's weak, buy pots. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
[/subtlebrag] | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 29 2014 11:39 Alzadar wrote: Ok just got accused of scripting/hacking with Ryze for 2nd time in as many days, is this a thing? I don't see how my 120 ping self is script-level speed. [/subtlebrag] TIL facerolling qwer makes you a hacker on ryze. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On October 29 2014 11:12 Sufficiency wrote: If you like buying 5 pots each time you go to lane, then sure, skip revolver. But well. You can. 5 pots is 180 gold. Revolver is 40 AP for 1200 gold. You can buy a wand and then 3 sets of 5 HP pots. Or a book and crystal and in both instances be generally better off. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On October 29 2014 11:46 wei2coolman wrote: TIL facerolling qwer makes you a hacker on ryze. But but muh elo hell. People I play against can't possibly be better than me! | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 29 2014 11:50 Goumindong wrote: But well. You can. 5 pots is 180 gold. Revolver is 40 AP for 1200 gold. You can buy a wand and then 3 sets of 5 HP pots. Or a book and crystal and in both instances be generally better off. Revolver is 40 AP ***AND*** 12% spellvamp for 1200 gold. You are essentially buying 12% spellvamp for 400 gold. That's 11 potions. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On October 29 2014 12:24 Sufficiency wrote: Revolver is 40 AP ***AND*** 12% spellvamp for 1200 gold. You are essentially buying 12% spellvamp for 400 gold. That's 11 potions. 1650 HP of potions. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 29 2014 12:32 krndandaman wrote: its a dead end item for rumble. also rumble is all about hitting those power spikes with his item timings. getting revolver delays that spike. your job isn't to try to outsustain a maokai in lane as a rumble. your job is to hit your items, then group with the team to take objectives+force teamfights. First of all, what power spike? Liandry's? That just adds damage, like raw AP adds damage. Rylai's? Your E already slows. Void Staff? Yeah right. Zhonya's? Good luck with that. You are not even a duelist, nor do you have burst damage. You don't need "power spikes". You need a well-placed ultimate, and this applies no matter how fed you are. Secondly, who the fuck cares about "power spike", even if it exists. It's soloQ, you play selfishly and carry yourself, because no one is going to go "HEY GUYS OUR RUMBLE JUST GOT LIANDRY'S LET'S FIGHT AT DRAGON". You should be itemizing as well as you can for late game power unless your team is dreadfully behind and you absolutely have to step it up. A revolver gives you a lot of flexibility on what you can do and serves as sustain when you have none. Thirdly, revolver is not useless. Its laning power is pretty obvious, and because you do a lot of AOE damage it does add up in a teamfight. It's pretty easy to heal 50-100 hp for yourself each teamfight unless you are instantly blown up (in which case nothing can save you). I'd say you can get around 150ish gold worth of HP from the spellvamp. You will sell it later on, yes, but not every single game hits 6 items full builds. Revolver is not the best item on Rumble nor do I suggest you should build it every single game (in fact you cannot build it against most matchups unless you want to straight up lose it). But to simply discard it for some buzz word is slightly misguided. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On October 28 2014 06:21 cLutZ wrote: If it's not optimal it's not viable. That said, Malz doesn't fit said definition. Optimal and viable don't mean the same thing. IMO something is viable if you can do well with it when playing people with the same skill level as yours | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 29 2014 12:51 jaybrundage wrote: Optimal and viable don't mean the same thing. IMO something is viable if you can do well with it when playing people with the same skill level as yours Then viable means optimal, in at least some situations. The point of the saying is basically to overcome TL Hipsterism where way back in time people would say "Jax vs. Renekton is a skill matchup" (during the uber Renekton days)/ "Jax is Viable, all you need to do is get to late game". When really they meant, "If your opponent is bad/you significantly outplay your opponent then you can get to lategame where Jax is better than Renekton." And Jax wasn't even that terrible, just a tier behind, there were champions like Garen, Fiora, and even Post-Nerf Olaf that people were saying were "viable" mid Season 3, which essentially makes the term meaningless. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On October 29 2014 13:19 Frolossus wrote: don't you also get half spellvamp or less for AoE? 1/3 for aoe. You could get revolver and freefarm on rumble, but honestly, would you rather have guise or revolver for first/second dragon fight? One will kill the whole enemy team with one skill if you place it right, the other will do moderate damage. The answer to that question is which you should get. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
For example, say that I can hit challenger by playing 200 games of Amumu - because Amumu is fairly simple to play and is fairly strong; with Amumu I improve fast and rank up fast. On the other hand, I might require 1000 games to hit challenger playing Urgot, because Urgot is hard to play and is fairly weak. In a strict sense I guess both are "viable", but in reality I only got time to play 200 games, not 1000. The time and effort limits my pool of "viable" champions. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 29 2014 13:21 Amui wrote: 1/3 for aoe. You could get revolver and freefarm on rumble, but honestly, would you rather have guise or revolver for first/second dragon fight? One will kill the whole enemy team with one skill if you place it right, the other will do moderate damage. The answer to that question is which you should get. The problem is that you will also need to buy 5 pots each time you back against Maokai, and Maokai will outsustain your 5 pots with his 5 pots + flask + Catalyst. You can either get 5 pots and get outsustained and pushed out of lane while allowing Maokai to roam, or you can just get a revolver and take total control of your lane with an iron fist. The answer to that question is which you should get. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On October 29 2014 13:22 Sufficiency wrote: Well, I mean, you can definitely hit challenger by playing only Poppy/Urgot/etc. It's not IMPOSSIBLE, but it will take you more effort because I am sure everyone agrees that those champions are somewhat deficient in their power and requires expertise to perform well. For example, say that I can hit challenger by playing 200 games of Amumu - because Amumu is fairly simple to play and is fairly strong; with Amumu I improve fast and rank up fast. On the other hand, I might require 1000 games to hit challenger playing Urgot, because Urgot is hard to play and is fairly weak. In a strict sense I guess both are "viable", but in reality I only got time to play 200 games, not 1000. The time and effort limits my pool of "viable" champions. i think that is a little bit subjective as some individuals are quicker on the uptake than others to learning a given character | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 29 2014 14:09 Frolossus wrote: i think that is a little bit subjective as some individuals are quicker on the uptake than others to learning a given character Uh.... I don't think I said anything about individual players' differences when it comes to adapting to new champions. I am saying certain champions MAY be harder to adapt to in general, because they are weaker in general. I am saying that not everyone has the same amount of time playing this game. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
C9 vs Samsung Blue saw Maokai vs Rumble two games in a row. Acorn as Rumble went Haunting -> Sorcs vs Balls' Maokai Balls as Rumble went Haunting -> Sorcs vs Acorn's Maokai Both games Rumble was controlling the lane. | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On October 29 2014 13:22 Sufficiency wrote: Well, I mean, you can definitely hit challenger by playing only Poppy/Urgot/etc. It's not IMPOSSIBLE, but it will take you more effort because I am sure everyone agrees that those champions are somewhat deficient in their power and requires expertise to perform well. For example, say that I can hit challenger by playing 200 games of Amumu - because Amumu is fairly simple to play and is fairly strong; with Amumu I improve fast and rank up fast. On the other hand, I might require 1000 games to hit challenger playing Urgot, because Urgot is hard to play and is fairly weak. In a strict sense I guess both are "viable", but in reality I only got time to play 200 games, not 1000. The time and effort limits my pool of "viable" champions. Well, you're also directly competing against other people who have the same options, and if they all take the 200-game champ and you take the 1000-game champ then it doesn't really matter if you get to 1000-games when everyone else is challenger 5 times over. Not that this has any bearing on reality | ||
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