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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Plz soniv don't act like my blitz v vi chase last night wasn't epic On October 30 2014 01:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: if it's the last player alive | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
We just happened to be in a different part of the map than everyone else, and you guys were objectiving or something. Mad jelly of my hooks all up in herrrr | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:49 Vaporized wrote: vel'koz is an interesting champion. i like rushing cdr on him (athene's, lucidity), and just constantly throwing a barrage of spells at the other laner. is there a reason you decided to pick him up? he seems strong to me, but his squishyness and lack of escapes can be frustrating. Geometry yo. I followed in Jeff's footsteps and played him a few times in hexakill. Really enjoyed him, so took him to SR. Did alright, but still plenty to learn about him. He fits in my tendency to play zone control mages. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
Vel'Koz is probably the best champion for the secret carry role. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
No, bad wave, stop posting | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On October 30 2014 02:03 Alaric wrote: Isn't Vel'Koz's lacks of wave clear (assuming you max R > Q > W > E, which seems the most intuitive to me) more concerning for the overall laning phase, and later sieges, though? If you end up against Ahri or Ziggs you'll spend more time farming under tower than throwing Qs at them. Max W waveclear for days | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On October 30 2014 01:26 RagequitBM wrote: I think a lot of the time I get support baited too. Like your support goes all in so you feel like you need to follow up, and they get 2 kills instead of just 1. Sometimes you just gotta abandon your lane partner I think, and it's hard for me to get into that mindset. I know I bait my team all the time, it seems a really common way to throw a lane at lower elo. If anything, you two should adapt to each other if you don't have a decent synergy, and that's something that makes bot lane really hard to play - well, one of the many. You can't just mark your support as crazy,leaving him alone, you have to work with him, it's in your best interest, even if it costs you cs, bad trades, whatnot. Obviously I'm not talking about 100% suicide scenarios, but when your Leona jumps in, like it or not, you have to assist her, otherwise she will surely fall and being in a 2v1 might be even worse than a bad trade If your support is retarded then it's your job to clean up the saliva around his mouth and vice versa. Not a decent experience, but that's what you sign up for when you pick adc or support. Some supports have an easier time though, since they can just leave their adc and start roaming. Also, you can always try to give instructions beforehand, or ask them to play a certain way. Not saying it iwll surely work, I personaly would just say "fuck you" if you dropped the play safe bs on me, but there are nice people out there as well, so have hope! | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Then isn't it hard to hit on most mages and your Q poke remains meh until you hit level 8+? Or I guess it makes you rely on hitting Q/E then running up for the W beneath them during the cc. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2014 02:03 Alaric wrote: Isn't Vel'Koz's lacks of wave clear (assuming you max R > Q > W > E, which seems the most intuitive to me) more concerning for the overall laning phase, and later sieges, though? If you end up against Ahri or Ziggs you'll spend more time farming under tower than throwing Qs at them. As Jeff says below, you max W when you need to be pushing lane. It makes your geometry a little less potent, but W is really fucking good. The two games I played him last night, my opponent (xerath both times) helped leash, I had double Wd his creeps, he Qd at tower and missed every single creep. On October 30 2014 02:15 Alaric wrote: Then isn't it hard to hit on most mages and your Q poke remains meh until you hit level 8+? Or I guess it makes you rely on hitting Q/E then running up for the W beneath them during the cc. Vel'koz seems to be more of a farm laner than a kill laner. He is potent enough to kill in lane if he hits his shit, but he's also fairly content to just clear waves, and I don't see a whole lot wrong with that. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On October 30 2014 02:15 Alaric wrote: Then isn't it hard to hit on most mages and your Q poke remains meh until you hit level 8+? Or I guess it makes you rely on hitting Q/E then running up for the W beneath them during the cc. Not so. Landing one of Vel's other abilities makes landing both W stacks easy, and since W is both maxed and has two ticks, you proc the true damage and explode people for almost no mana investment, and you dont have to change your positioning since it hits through the wave. That said, if you don't need the waveclear, Q max is better for dragon contests and poking, and W can still be used to proc your passive. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On October 30 2014 02:19 Sufficiency wrote: Aren't you going to get all in'ed and die horribly when your opponent realizes you blow all your W charges on wave clearing? They refresh hilariously fast, and you're also pretty safe with good E usage and Q zoning. That said, he's not perfect against assassins, and I'm not saying he is. He's just more difficult to all-in than you might think. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Suspension is a sub-type of Stun, not a sub-type of Airborne. As such, it is affected by crowd control reduction and can be removed. Is my mind playing tricks on me if I remember Yasuo ulting off of Vel'Koz's E? When at look at his numbers they seem meh for what they aren apart from the ult. Then I remember his passive and they're actually fairly high. Yeah E makes him pretty annoying to dive, especially because it's delayed: if he anticipates/reacts fast enough, he can thro it before you cc him, and it'll cc and interrupt you during your combo/while you're closing on him. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 30 2014 02:23 Alaric wrote: Also wiki says: Is my mind playing tricks on me if I remember Yasuo ulting off of Vel'Koz's E? When at look at his numbers they seem meh for what they aren apart from the ult. Then I remember his passive and they're actually fairly high. isn't that how nami bubble work? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2014 02:19 Sufficiency wrote: Aren't you going to get all in'ed and die horribly when your opponent realizes you blow all your W charges on wave clearing? um...what? I guess it depends on who you're playing against? I would not recommend playing Vel'koz against an assassin mid, so I'm not seeing how other than that situation it would become a problem. | ||
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nimbim
Germany984 Posts
On October 30 2014 02:22 GhandiEAGLE wrote: They refresh hilariously fast, and you're also pretty safe with good E usage and Q zoning. That said, he's not perfect against assassins, and I'm not saying he is. He's just more difficult to all-in than you might think. I've played ~50 games with Vel'koz and it helped me improve my positioning so much, because you really have no escape. I usually come out of games with 0-2 deaths now. I'm only up against silly silver/gold players, so good assassins would probably still own me, but for now I feel like he's a great pick. | ||
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