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On February 20 2014 23:30 Diamond wrote:
Didn't try it on PBE, but will be booting it up today whenever it hits live.
Need Hexakill One For All, with Karthus, huehue.
Wasn't karthus disabled in the original run of one for all? I remember being super disappointed about that 
I'm very curious to see whether it's the aoe teams, or the bruiser teams which come out a head in hexakill though. I could imagine there just being so many players that if your team burns all their ults to oneshot 3-4 people, they might still just straight up die to the remaining 2-3 if the enemy team is all bruisers. Given how 5 ults is enough to combo basically anyone, a 6th might not add much to it at all.
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What about Rengar or Kha Zix support ? The terror from the bush xD
p.s just kidding u know )
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On February 20 2014 20:17 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 20:12 Slayer91 wrote:
I think the discussion has very little to do with warwick at the moment and is a lot more related to what sponkz was talking about with the "T.R.O.L.L.S" thing.
"But from this to make me a troll, say i'm awful, laugh at the idea without even testing and treating me like i try to sell you people thresh 2.0 is awkward"
well as for thresh 2.0, if people misinterpret you constantly despite you trying to explain there's some kind of clash of views and not just a communication breakdown (dundnudnudnudnu DEN DEN DEN)
If the idea is to do it for fun, naturally people won't want to test it if the idea doesn't seem fun to them, so you can't force your opinion of fun onto them.
You sohludn't blame people for laughing either when warwick's lane phase is pretty horrible and thus the reasons for playing him support over somewhere else are few and far between but if you are playing for fun you don't care about that so much.
As for troll accusations refusing to show stats on accounts seems completely nonsensical because I can't think of any reason not to show stats on accounts I don't see what you have to hide.
"I don't like using "good at all levels "arguments too, but i used it because i really feel the vast majority of people will be able[in my opinion] to do it on thier own skill level with good play, rise in ranks."
I believe peopel can play pretty much anything and with good play rise in ranks. Of course i can't force people to anything if it's not fun to them. But calling something bad, awful, saying i'm bad without actually testing it is not really okay. it would have if i posted some 1 line saying nothing, but i went in detail and for people to just dismiss it like this isn't constructive to any idea.
I mean sure, testing would perhaps give us more knowledge, but on the other hand your description of support warwick depicted him as an absolutely awful champion. If your description of support Warwick is perfectly accurate, then we are justified in dismissing it outright.
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On February 20 2014 23:38 M2 wrote:What about Rengar or Kha Zix support ? The terror from the bush xD p.s just kidding u know )
Rengar + panth or something could actually be terrifying, if you get behind you literally can't get near your bush without a giant cat thingy flying at you and rooting you into panth removing your face with spears.
If you could get some level 2 cheese gank from a strong level 2 jungler to get firstblood/avoid getting destroyed level 1 at least.
Probably wouldn't be better then panth leona or panth whatever, but would be a lot scarier :p
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Australia18228 Posts
Well, ran into a support WW in one of my soloQ game (Plat 2 OCE).
Bot lane was already decided by an early skirmish but here's the replay if anyone cares: BaronReplay file
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At this rate WW sup will be blacklisted like "elo hell" topic  . Talking about supports do you think that RIOT needs to pay more attention to classic sup?
I believe that besides land a good ult, place wards and early lane phase, as Sup you have little impact in mid - late game. Maybe a better skill scaling for supports is needed.
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Hexakill sucks, can't do Commando/Pool Party/etc. themed teams anymore. Obv. worst mode ever.
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On February 20 2014 23:46 drkcid wrote:At this rate WW sup will be blacklisted like "elo hell" topic . Talking about supports do you think that RIOT needs to pay more attention to classic sup? I believe that besides land a good ult, place wards and early lane phase, as Sup you have little impact in mid - late game. Maybe a better skill scaling for supports is needed.
Thresh leona and blitz can easily change a game with a single skill. It's more the supports which have scaling skills (compared to displacement/cc skills) which are kind of meh later on
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On February 20 2014 23:46 drkcid wrote:At this rate WW sup will be blacklisted like "elo hell" topic . Talking about supports do you think that RIOT needs to pay more attention to classic sup? I believe that besides land a good ult, place wards and early lane phase, as Sup you have little impact in mid - late game. Maybe a better skill scaling for supports is needed.
Disagree, if you make their skill scaling better than now, they will become op on other lanes or will overshadow anything else you may like try as a support (such as WW xD)
Their impact is pretty strong now with the Season 4 changes, the only issue I have is that 3-4 of the supports are just superior to the others at the moment in everything they do. We all know them: Thresh, Leona, Annie and to some extend Lulu
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On February 20 2014 23:51 Alaric wrote:
Hexakill sucks, can't do Commando/Pool Party/etc. themed teams anymore. Obv. worst mode ever.
Give commando quinn or pool party gragas rito pls
On February 20 2014 23:52 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 23:46 drkcid wrote:At this rate WW sup will be blacklisted like "elo hell" topic . Talking about supports do you think that RIOT needs to pay more attention to classic sup? I believe that besides land a good ult, place wards and early lane phase, as Sup you have little impact in mid - late game. Maybe a better skill scaling for supports is needed. Disagree, if you make their skill scaling better than now, they will become op on other lanes or will overshadow anything else you may like try as a support (such as WW xD) Their impact is pretty strong now with the Season 4 changes, the only issue I have is that 3-4 of the supports are just superior to the others at the moment in everything they do. We all know them: Thresh, Leona, Annie and to some extend Lulu
At this point I think lulu is more a mid laner than support, lulu mid is freaking terror man you can't catch her team once she gets enough items. Not saying that lulu can't be played support but I think she's too good of a mid laner to pass up.
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On February 20 2014 23:51 Alaric wrote:
Hexakill sucks, can't do Commando/Pool Party/etc. themed teams anymore. Obv. worst mode ever.
Add surfer singed or rumble in the jungle to the pool party team.
Plenty of other teams too,
Pirates
+ Show Spoiler +Fiddle Me Timbers
Bilgewater Katarina
Bilgerat Rumble
Pirate Ryze
Bilgewater Swain
Buccaneer Tristana
plus mf and gp
Wild west
+ Show Spoiler +Longhorn Alistar
Sheriff Caitlyn
Desperada Cassiopeia
Bandito Fiddlesticks
Cowgirl Miss Fortune
High Noon Twisted Fate
High Noon Yasuo
Or if you're super hipster you could go like
+ Show Spoiler + UFO Corki
Alien Invader Heimerdinger
Galactic Nasus
AstroNautilus
Galactic Renekton
Astronaut Teemo
On February 20 2014 23:52 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 23:46 drkcid wrote:At this rate WW sup will be blacklisted like "elo hell" topic . Talking about supports do you think that RIOT needs to pay more attention to classic sup? I believe that besides land a good ult, place wards and early lane phase, as Sup you have little impact in mid - late game. Maybe a better skill scaling for supports is needed. Disagree, if you make their skill scaling better than now, they will become op on other lanes or will overshadow anything else you may like try as a support (such as WW xD) Their impact is pretty strong now with the Season 4 changes, the only issue I have is that 3-4 of the supports are just superior to the others at the moment in everything they do. We all know them: Thresh, Leona, Annie and to some extend Lulu
I still think riots design philosophy with making supports scale with ap is just really really strange. If they become equally useful assets to the team as a solo laner with less gold then a solo laner, they will by default be better at solo laning then normal champions, (unless they give them some strange diminishing returns on ap.) And if they try to remedy this by bumping up the gold in the support position, then obviously solo laners (who scale really well with ap) will just take over support.
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On February 20 2014 23:37 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 23:30 Diamond wrote:
Didn't try it on PBE, but will be booting it up today whenever it hits live.
Need Hexakill One For All, with Karthus, huehue. Wasn't karthus disabled in the original run of one for all? I remember being super disappointed about that I'm very curious to see whether it's the aoe teams, or the bruiser teams which come out a head in hexakill though. I could imagine there just being so many players that if your team burns all their ults to oneshot 3-4 people, they might still just straight up die to the remaining 2-3 if the enemy team is all bruisers. Given how 5 ults is enough to combo basically anyone, a 6th might not add much to it at all.
Karthus one for all would be so hillarious though. 1 team spams R, the other flashes onto them all and wombo combos. Then reverse and repeat all game D:
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At this point I think lulu is more a mid laner than support, lulu mid is freaking terror man you can't catch her team once she gets enough items. Not saying that lulu can't be played support but I think she's too good of a mid laner to pass up.[/QUOTE]
Can someone explains to me why is Lulu so good mid? I mean I watched some pro plays with her, I watched Alex Ich stream playing her there and she is all right, but I cannot understand what makes her better than lets say Morgana, Lux, Ahri, Annie , whatever I just put some random champs. She doesn't even have so much damage which is important for mid laners
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On February 20 2014 23:59 M2 wrote:
At this point I think lulu is more a mid laner than support, lulu mid is freaking terror man you can't catch her team once she gets enough items. Not saying that lulu can't be played support but I think she's too good of a mid laner to pass up.
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Can someone explains to me why is Lulu so good mid? I mean I watched some pro plays with her, I watched Alex Ich stream playing her there and she is all right, but I cannot understand what makes her better than lets say Morgana, Lux, Ahri, Annie , whatever I just put some random champs. She doesn't even have so much damage which is important for mid laners
after a few hundred ap she basically trades her broom for a firebolt, and she can lend it to anyone for 6 seconds at a time.
Also deceptively large amounts of damage (and huge aoe slows) from q + auto spam, and a shield.
It's kind of like what ori would be if they doubled her utility at the cost of a third of her damage.
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She's a lane bully, with good shove from level 1 onward and the farm to itemise the chalice to keep it going all the while.
The ratios on her ult and shield make her ridiculously good at keeping somebody alive, and with the addition of "utility ratios", with enough AP she gives something like a 50% MS buff for 5 seconds (think maxed Zilean boost here) and Glitterlance becomes 900 range pass-through slow that decays from 80% to something like 40-50% over 2 seconds.
Because she itemises CDR she can somewhat spam it all, making her or whoever she protects hard to catch/kill, and difficult to escape her.
Lichbane provides her with some damage, but because of her core she's usually light on armour, which can be risky against lockdown since she relies on her pretty meh auto animation to use lichbane and Pix's ratio.
You thought Shyvana was a pain when she burnouts -> ult into your whole team? Imagine Olaf running at you with +60% MS while immune to cc, or Gragas charging at you faster than with Talisman to force flashes or be ult'd into his team.
You thought Kog had trouble escaping enemies? Look at that Zed with a 400+ HP shield ults Tristana, and despite getting counter-ult'd doesn't care because Pix let Lulu proxy-slow Tristana for 60+% while speeding up Zed for roughly the same amount so he catches up instantly.
Obviously if you don't get fed (or can't catch a squishy in the frontlines) it becomes harder to deal significant damage to people, but an EQ-lichane combo is still 1.8 AP to anyone's face every 6 seconds or so (less with CDR).
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I'm so salty about the mobo boots change, I loved those boots so much as a jungler
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On February 20 2014 23:44 Inflicted_ wrote:Well, ran into a support WW in one of my soloQ game (Plat 2 OCE). Bot lane was already decided by an early skirmish but here's the replay if anyone cares: BaronReplay file
Wasn't a good build by that guy but that was typical game for ww. Held lane okay, they made a mistake[like 99.9% of the players do ], your lane got kills. Then easy ignite ganks on ziggs/botlane, as buff for dives and buffs and tf , damage...pretty much all i've said
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I'd just like to say that I noticed that mid Lulu was awesome back when the preseason changes first hit.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 03:01 phyvo wrote:Holy crap I wonder if mid lulu will become a thing again, soooo much mobility on W and you make up for nerf to shield damage with as many guaranteed AAs as you want. post link On December 03 2013 04:51 phyvo wrote:I only play league at the moment to play vroom vroom never-die mid lulu. All other champs pale when beside her glory. post link
ofc I'm hardly a good player so I didn't want to go nuts and say it would be in LCS.
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On February 21 2014 00:24 phyvo wrote:I'd just like to say that I noticed that mid Lulu was awesome back when the preseason changes first hit. + Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 03:01 phyvo wrote:Holy crap I wonder if mid lulu will become a thing again, soooo much mobility on W and you make up for nerf to shield damage with as many guaranteed AAs as you want. post link On December 03 2013 04:51 phyvo wrote:I only play league at the moment to play vroom vroom never-die mid lulu. All other champs pale when beside her glory. post link ofc I'm hardly a good player so I didn't want to go nuts and say it would be in LCS.
I remember playing mid janna back then too, at that point if you got enough ap your w turned into a 100% slow, and people would just walk on the spot for it's duration. (Sadly I think they fixed that T.T)
Your choice of midlane support seems a little better though :p
Has anyone tried soraka mid properly? There are two soraka mid only players in NA challenger right now, so it can't be completely terrible. I remember something like she used to be a super safe lane bully, who scaled into relative uselessness but have the changes messed that up at all?
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Soraka mid in the right matchup is a super lane bully. Just E them all day, nothing they can do. In other (longer range) matchups not so hot I'd imagine.
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