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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 20 2014 12:32 GMT
#1761
What I gather from the support ww thing so far:

Sarah is D1
No ww games on main account
Not sure what her smurfs are

So let's move on. Everyone wasted enough time on this already.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 20 2014 12:33 GMT
#1762
On February 20 2014 21:24 Sarah Bryant wrote:
I'll only show it in game, after all, i did provide my account but this doesnt stop the hate. Maybe i fake it?, maybe i played all the ww at silver level and went up with the other champs?, can i be sure this bashing will stop?..nope.

So it'll have to be in game, i can get a silver na account if this help some who wants, ping excuses won't apply.


Bashing typically only follows unorthodox ideas if said ideas aren't properly explained. Personally I think you've explained the idea well enough, but I would still like to see a screenshot or two. If you don't want to share account information of any kind then that is fine too, but if you don't back up the claim that you've actually played on Diamond level with WW support then you shouldn't be surprised when people dismiss your claims .
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Sarah Bryant
Profile Joined January 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
February 20 2014 12:42 GMT
#1763
On February 20 2014 21:33 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 21:24 Sarah Bryant wrote:
I'll only show it in game, after all, i did provide my account but this doesnt stop the hate. Maybe i fake it?, maybe i played all the ww at silver level and went up with the other champs?, can i be sure this bashing will stop?..nope.

So it'll have to be in game, i can get a silver na account if this help some who wants, ping excuses won't apply.


Bashing typically only follows unorthodox ideas if said ideas aren't properly explained. Personally I think you've explained the idea well enough, but I would still like to see a screenshot or two. If you don't want to share account information of any kind then that is fine too, but if you don't back up the claim that you've actually played on Diamond level with WW support then you shouldn't be surprised when people dismiss your claims .


Well, my word don't mean much anyway. So i'll play with anyone on pretty much any skill level, that guy can report it after and upload the replay. I won't do more than that, and we should just move on unless someone is wiling to do it.
Pumpkins!
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
February 20 2014 12:45 GMT
#1764
On February 20 2014 21:03 Nemireck wrote:
I'm still pretty convinced it's just a PX alt or friend.

No clue who that is, but i am enjoying all the shyvana top in pro play that i got harrassed for here.
Sarah Bryant
Profile Joined January 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
February 20 2014 12:45 GMT
#1765
On February 20 2014 21:45 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 21:03 Nemireck wrote:
I'm still pretty convinced it's just a PX alt or friend.

No clue who that is, but i am enjoying all the shyvana top in pro play that i got harrassed for here.


The fuck were your ideas about ww support that those people hate me so much for thinking about it as well?
Pumpkins!
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
February 20 2014 12:49 GMT
#1766
On February 20 2014 21:45 Sarah Bryant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 21:45 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 20 2014 21:03 Nemireck wrote:
I'm still pretty convinced it's just a PX alt or friend.

No clue who that is, but i am enjoying all the shyvana top in pro play that i got harrassed for here.


The fuck were your ideas about ww support that those people hate me so much for thinking about it as well?

similar but i played him more tanky and less damagey. these people hate anything they don't see played by a streamer essentially.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 20 2014 12:50 GMT
#1767
On February 20 2014 21:45 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 21:03 Nemireck wrote:
I'm still pretty convinced it's just a PX alt or friend.

No clue who that is, but i am enjoying all the shyvana top in pro play that i got harrassed for here.

When were you espousing it?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 20 2014 12:52 GMT
#1768
Yup, no buffs or items changes or meta switch at all since you advocated playing Shyvana top. None at all, still as clear as a newborn baby, you were right all along.
Geez, the biases. Which is all the more reason to leave it here.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 12:58:37
February 20 2014 12:57 GMT
#1769
On February 20 2014 21:50 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 21:45 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 20 2014 21:03 Nemireck wrote:
I'm still pretty convinced it's just a PX alt or friend.

No clue who that is, but i am enjoying all the shyvana top in pro play that i got harrassed for here.

When were you espousing it?

immediately prior and following the shyvana rebalancing when they changed her breath to % hp is when i started. right as the post S3 changes pre S4 changes were hitting PBE/client. even advocated the same skill orders used. couldn't predict the S4 changes fully, but the meta was heading toward tanky top for a while since then. the item build is near identical so what i was suggesting as well. except + trinkets for the most part. the mastery changes were the largest change i wasn't aware of at the time all they did was cement the tanky top trend and made her a clear option to people who hadn't tried her yet.
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
February 20 2014 13:35 GMT
#1770
So, if anyone is interested, Mook Comet vs Midas FIO from the qualifiers yesterday, Lactea's Draven will be permabanned from now on I think, lol
Steam: rook492
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 20 2014 13:38 GMT
#1771
On February 20 2014 21:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 21:50 Gahlo wrote:
On February 20 2014 21:45 PrinceXizor wrote:
On February 20 2014 21:03 Nemireck wrote:
I'm still pretty convinced it's just a PX alt or friend.

No clue who that is, but i am enjoying all the shyvana top in pro play that i got harrassed for here.

When were you espousing it?

immediately prior and following the shyvana rebalancing when they changed her breath to % hp is when i started. right as the post S3 changes pre S4 changes were hitting PBE/client. even advocated the same skill orders used. couldn't predict the S4 changes fully, but the meta was heading toward tanky top for a while since then. the item build is near identical so what i was suggesting as well. except + trinkets for the most part. the mastery changes were the largest change i wasn't aware of at the time all they did was cement the tanky top trend and made her a clear option to people who hadn't tried her yet.


Maybe I missed the drama but it wasn't too hard to see the Shyvana changes made her stronger.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 14:08:56
February 20 2014 13:57 GMT
#1772
It's not that people here don't like "new ideas," it's that we don't like wasting lots and lots of pages arguing semantics. If you want to suggest something special or theory crafty, be prepared to defend it with hard evidence, and if you can't provide that then don't drag the discussion on for 10 pages, crushing all other discussion in the process.

What I've gotten from this is
SB: I like support warwick, it's pretty good.
TL: It seems really bad, do you have any proof?
SB: I'm diamond 1 and have a smurf
TL: Hey, I'm diamond one, wanna duo and show me?
SB: It doesn't work at diamond 1, but i'll win with it on my platinum account
TL: So you can pubstomp with it, does that mean it's viable?
SB: No, but it means it's really good against people not diamond 1?
TL: But you're diamond 1, you could win against plat people with any champion, what basis is that for saying ww is good
SB: I thought this was a good community, but you're all close minded people who call anyone creative trolls

Even though I'm sure thats not what you were trying to say, or how you felt you came across, Hopefully in retrospect you can see why people are reacted in a rather annoyed fashion to having the general discussion hijacked for several days :s, this thread gets off topic easily and it's up to everyone to help keep it from devolving into arguments.

Also maybe read the forum rules, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883, it's a slightly different culture here compared to reddit or some other forum.
Everyone, (especially new users,) are expected to try to contribute to making the site a better place, which is how the quality remains so relatively high. Even if that means accepting when an idea/discussion isn't a positive thing for the thread, and abandoning it, even if that means not having the last word. It's a bit of an old boys club with how it treats people, but i guess thats just how it is.

Also, all you euw people are mean, Unseen organises a whole inhouse with an awesome name and stuff and noone shows up. T.T
Sarah Bryant
Profile Joined January 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 14:28:10
February 20 2014 14:21 GMT
#1773
[
On February 20 2014 22:57 killerdog wrote:
It's not that people here don't like "new ideas," it's that we don't like wasting lots and lots of pages arguing semantics. If you want to suggest something special or theory crafty, be prepared to defend it with hard evidence, and if you can't provide that then don't drag the discussion on for 10 pages, crushing all other discussion in the process.

What I've gotten from this is
SB: I like support warwick, it's pretty good.
TL: It seems really bad, do you have any proof?
SB: I'm diamond 1 and have a smurf
TL: Hey, I'm diamond one, wanna duo and show me?
SB: It doesn't work at diamond 1, but i'll win with it on my platinum account
TL: So you can pubstomp with it, does that mean it's viable?
SB: No, but it means it's really good against people not diamond 1?
TL: But you're diamond 1, you could win against plat people with any champion, what basis is that for saying ww is good
SB: I thought this was a good community, but you're all close minded people who call anyone creative trolls

shows up. T.T




That's not how it went at all buddy, it's like this


Many ages ago: someone comes and put ww support idea, no one seem to like the idea and that guy. So most people remember ww support as something bad, awful, and doesn't want to talk about that.


Me: hi i like ww support you should try it in s4, it's not that good but fun and legit.
TL: LOL this troll no it sucks because bad lane/better picks,
Me: True, i listed those in my post...he's not fotm or top pick but hey he got...
TL: NO WOOD 5 PLAYER/TROLL/THAT GUY FROM BEFORE
Me: Uh i'm not really wood 5 and i made it work across all levels..
TL: Sure buddy sure proofs of your account now or you aren't
Me: okay here
TL: whoos okay you are diamond, you could win plat people with any champion, what basis is that for saying ww is good?
Me: As i explained but no one bother to read, he got good kit. As buff, vision, ganks, damage, can abuse easily every misstep. You can do good on any level without the need to super outplay like troll supports
TL: hmm well uh.. PROOFS OF YOUR WW ACCOUNT
Me: Nah but i'll play with anyone and they can record it and post about it here.
TL: Nope
Me: I thought this was a good community, but you're all close minded people who call anyone creative trolls


Like i said, i will show it in game, at [almost] every skill level, that's called defending it. Screenshot wont do with you people.


And also, like i said 500 times, i'm ready to move over..i didn't even advocate it anywhere in this thread to begin with until someone called me a troll for a message on a diffrant topic, just because he rememberd my post on ww from another section of the site.




Pumpkins!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 20 2014 14:24 GMT
#1774
I'm going to start making fish puns again for the halibut.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 20 2014 14:25 GMT
#1775
OMG not the support WW shit again. Idc even if it works, it's so beat to death here......

Plz god talk about interesting things.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
February 20 2014 14:29 GMT
#1776
On February 20 2014 23:25 Diamond wrote:
OMG not the support WW shit again. Idc even if it works, it's so beat to death here......

Plz god talk about interesting things.


Hexakill! random gimmick or awesome new meta?

srs though, has anyone actually tried it on pbe? solo queue games of it will probably just turn into duo top or duo jungle, and be kind of boring, but I feel like there are some awesome roaming/fast push strats that premades could try.

We should try and get some hexakill games going from liquidparty or something, I feel like it has the potential for some awesome games if everyone is communicating.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 20 2014 14:30 GMT
#1777
Didn't try it on PBE, but will be booting it up today whenever it hits live.

Need Hexakill One For All, with Karthus, huehue.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
February 20 2014 14:32 GMT
#1778
It's so polarizing at this point, that it's pointless to continue the argument. One side won't provide evidence, placing the blame on the other. Stop, it's annoying.

Also, how annoying is Xerath? I haven't played in like 2-3 weeks, so I'm out of the loop.
Steam: rook492
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
February 20 2014 14:34 GMT
#1779
On February 20 2014 23:21 Sarah Bryant wrote:
[
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 22:57 killerdog wrote:
It's not that people here don't like "new ideas," it's that we don't like wasting lots and lots of pages arguing semantics. If you want to suggest something special or theory crafty, be prepared to defend it with hard evidence, and if you can't provide that then don't drag the discussion on for 10 pages, crushing all other discussion in the process.

What I've gotten from this is
SB: I like support warwick, it's pretty good.
TL: It seems really bad, do you have any proof?
SB: I'm diamond 1 and have a smurf
TL: Hey, I'm diamond one, wanna duo and show me?
SB: It doesn't work at diamond 1, but i'll win with it on my platinum account
TL: So you can pubstomp with it, does that mean it's viable?
SB: No, but it means it's really good against people not diamond 1?
TL: But you're diamond 1, you could win against plat people with any champion, what basis is that for saying ww is good
SB: I thought this was a good community, but you're all close minded people who call anyone creative trolls

shows up. T.T




That's not how it went at all buddy, it's like this


Many ages ago: someone comes and put ww support idea, no one seem to like the idea and that guy. So most people remember ww support as something bad, awful, and doesn't want to talk about that.


Me: hi i like ww support you should try it in s4, it's not that good but fun and legit.
TL: LOL this troll no it sucks because bad lane/better picks,
Me: True, i listed those in my post...he's not fotm or top pick but hey he got...
TL: NO WOOD 5 PLAYER/TROLL/THAT GUY FROM BEFORE
Me: Uh i'm not really wood 5 and i made it work across all levels..
TL: Sure buddy sure proofs of your account now or you aren't
Me: okay here
TL: whoos okay you are diamond, you could win plat people with any champion, what basis is that for saying ww is good?
Me: As i explained but no one bother to read, he got good kid of as buff, vision, ganks, damage, can abuse easily every misstep. You can do good on any level without the need to super outplay like troll supports
TL: hmm well uh.. PROOFS OF YOUR WW ACCOUNT
Me: Nah but i'll play with anyone and they can record it and post about it here.
TL: Nope
Me: I thought this was a good community, but you're all close minded people who call anyone creative trolls


Like i said, i will show it in game, at [almost] every skill level, that's called defending it. Screenshot wont do with you people.


And also, like i said 500 times, i'm ready to move over..i didn't even advocate it anywhere in this thread to begin with until someone called me a troll for a message on a diffrant topic, just because he rememberd my post on ww from another section of the site.






There are two problems with this that I think you may be overlooking.

1) "TL: Nope." Tons of our best people have offered to play with you. I'm not sure where you're getting this impression.
2) "Screenshot wont do with you people." Hard evidence is all we want around here. A replay more than suffices. The idea of "If I just show a replay, people will poke holes in it" is how ideas get critiqued in the first place. That's how anyone differentiates good things from bad things in anything, LoL included.

I'm sorry you're getting the bad end of the forum for suggesting something that has been soundly mocked in the past, but, frankly, it's not like you're doing yourself any favors by looking down on us the way you're doing. "I thought this was a good community" isn't going to get anyone on your side.

Plus, I realize you're new here, but there's a long standing heritage of creativity on these forums. See the entirety of T.R.O.L.L.s and their work. See Smash's popularization of top lane Nunu here long before anywhere else (which led to nerfs when pros and Riot noticed). See Yango's awareness of how broken OP original Locket was before anyone else (okay that's just number analysis, but still). Maybe you don't realize you're being insulting by judging us on this experience alone, but you are, which is probably why you're ruffling so many feathers.

tl;dr - I'm sorry you're having a bad first experience with TL, but, frankly, we're holding you to the same high standards we hold each other. Give us a LoLReplay file with legit evidence and no one's going to have a problem. We all would've poo-poo'd top lane Warwick in late S3, but if someone came in early S4 and showed us how nasty WW top could be with several replays, we'd be happy to have seen that too.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 20 2014 14:34 GMT
#1780
On February 20 2014 23:32 Crusnik wrote:
It's so polarizing at this point, that it's pointless to continue the argument. One side won't provide evidence, placing the blame on the other. Stop, it's annoying.

Also, how annoying is Xerath? I haven't played in like 2-3 weeks, so I'm out of the loop.


He's one of those champs where I was like "HOLY SHIT WTF" at 1st, mainly due to the ult range. Then I found out you can dodge like everything he has on damn near accident, and he's not as scary.

However Xerath mid with a Panth jungle that can coordinate can be VERY scary.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
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