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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On February 17 2014 18:08 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:02 Roffles wrote:
Dear Sarah Bryant,
Your beloved wolf provides absolutely zero crowd control abilities until level 6, and is useless before that as well due to his limited range on his Q. He is liable to get ganked super easily because he has no way to stop anything and gets poked down due to his inability to actually do anything in lane.
If you were to play support wolf, then your AD carry might as well be playing a 1v2 lane. Good luck.
Best Regards,
Your friendly Oceanic island neighbor As i stated, he has BAD lane phase which makes him pretty much non option versus the top players of the game. But with good, careful play[good warding, not eating too much harras] it's easily survivable on all skills levels but the very top.
Hello delusional person,
Your AD carry is effectively playing a 1v2 lane. Unless you're playing in like Wood 5, which I presume you are if you're serious about such a ridiculous thing, then effectively your AD carry is fucked for the first who knows how long. If I had a wolf jacking off next to me doing nothing but stealing EXP, I'd tell him to visit his family near blue buff and leave me alone.
Thanks,
Your former Tuvaluan neighbor
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A true support player will eat a non traditional pick alive. You know what I or anyone is going to do if a Warwick lane shows up bot as Leona or a thresh, god forbid a lulu? The reason oddball supports work in the first place is it's surprising and people don't understand how they should deal with it(Volibear and Panth come to mind). Warwick doesn't really bring any surprises except ult at 6. It's one of the odder picks I've ever heard of and I enjoy the occasional support gangplank. If you enjoy it, go nuts but it is indeed a bad idea short of just messing with people.
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On February 17 2014 18:08 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:02 Roffles wrote:
Dear Sarah Bryant,
Your beloved wolf provides absolutely zero crowd control abilities until level 6, and is useless before that as well due to his limited range on his Q. He is liable to get ganked super easily because he has no way to stop anything and gets poked down due to his inability to actually do anything in lane.
If you were to play support wolf, then your AD carry might as well be playing a 1v2 lane. Good luck.
Best Regards,
Your friendly Oceanic island neighbor As i stated, he has BAD lane phase which makes him pretty much non option versus the top players of the game. But with good, careful play[good warding, not eating too much harras] it's easily survivable on all skills levels but the very top.
By using this argument I think any champion is viable as support. Surely with Ezreal's good poke and attack speed steroid he makes a wonderful support.
Honestly though, as a support you are playing from a huge disadvantage. Not only do you not get to CS, you need to invest ~2k for an utility GP10 item and at least 950g for a Sightstone. Thus, as far as itemization goes, you are already 4k gold behind a laner. If you choose a champion (like WW) who requires farm to do well, you will be in for a hard time.
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If I can shit on Alistar or Leona with Lulu or Sona at my level, imagine how hard I'd shit on Warwick (or his AD if he has "careful positioning" and let us 2v1).
And don't try to pull off the "when you're playing against people low enough it works!" or I'll just say "yeah if they're low enough you can even get away with triple jungle!".
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On February 17 2014 18:16 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:08 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 17 2014 18:02 Roffles wrote:
Dear Sarah Bryant,
Your beloved wolf provides absolutely zero crowd control abilities until level 6, and is useless before that as well due to his limited range on his Q. He is liable to get ganked super easily because he has no way to stop anything and gets poked down due to his inability to actually do anything in lane.
If you were to play support wolf, then your AD carry might as well be playing a 1v2 lane. Good luck.
Best Regards,
Your friendly Oceanic island neighbor As i stated, he has BAD lane phase which makes him pretty much non option versus the top players of the game. But with good, careful play[good warding, not eating too much harras] it's easily survivable on all skills levels but the very top. By using this argument I think any champion is viable as support. Surely with Ezreal's good poke and attack speed steroid he makes a wonderful support. Honestly though, as a support you are playing from a huge disadvantage. Not only do you not get to CS, you need to invest ~2k for an utility GP10 item and at least 950g for a Sightstone. Thus, as far as itemization goes, you are already 4k gold behind a laner. If you choose a champion (like WW) who requires farm to do well, you will be in for a hard time.
I agree that this argument can be applied to every champion in the game, however i feel that almost none can provide the benefits he brings the same if he gets good out of the lane.
and on regard to items, you need items that's true, but in s4 support gain more gold...so he can afford those items he dearly need.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
what the fuck is that discussion. Warwick support blows in every single way, can we stop that already? :/
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On February 17 2014 18:14 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:08 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 17 2014 18:02 Roffles wrote:
Dear Sarah Bryant,
Your beloved wolf provides absolutely zero crowd control abilities until level 6, and is useless before that as well due to his limited range on his Q. He is liable to get ganked super easily because he has no way to stop anything and gets poked down due to his inability to actually do anything in lane.
If you were to play support wolf, then your AD carry might as well be playing a 1v2 lane. Good luck.
Best Regards,
Your friendly Oceanic island neighbor As i stated, he has BAD lane phase which makes him pretty much non option versus the top players of the game. But with good, careful play[good warding, not eating too much harras] it's easily survivable on all skills levels but the very top. Hello delusional person, Your AD carry is effectively playing a 1v2 lane. Unless you're playing in like Wood 5, which I presume you are if you're serious about such a ridiculous thing, then effectively your AD carry is fucked for the first who knows how long. If I had a wolf jacking off next to me doing nothing but stealing EXP, I'd tell him to visit his family near blue buff and leave me alone. Thanks, Your former Tuvaluan neighbor
My actual league isn't the issue here =/. It can work good with some effort on all skill level but high diamond
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On February 17 2014 18:28 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:14 Roffles wrote:On February 17 2014 18:08 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 17 2014 18:02 Roffles wrote:
Dear Sarah Bryant,
Your beloved wolf provides absolutely zero crowd control abilities until level 6, and is useless before that as well due to his limited range on his Q. He is liable to get ganked super easily because he has no way to stop anything and gets poked down due to his inability to actually do anything in lane.
If you were to play support wolf, then your AD carry might as well be playing a 1v2 lane. Good luck.
Best Regards,
Your friendly Oceanic island neighbor As i stated, he has BAD lane phase which makes him pretty much non option versus the top players of the game. But with good, careful play[good warding, not eating too much harras] it's easily survivable on all skills levels but the very top. Hello delusional person, Your AD carry is effectively playing a 1v2 lane. Unless you're playing in like Wood 5, which I presume you are if you're serious about such a ridiculous thing, then effectively your AD carry is fucked for the first who knows how long. If I had a wolf jacking off next to me doing nothing but stealing EXP, I'd tell him to visit his family near blue buff and leave me alone. Thanks, Your former Tuvaluan neighbor My actual league isn't the issue here =/. It can work good with some effort on all skill level but high diamond
Now I am curious which league you are actually in.
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On February 17 2014 18:26 739 wrote:
what the fuck is that discussion. Warwick support blows in every single way, can we stop that already? :/
Here's a summary: some (apparently new) person comes to Teamliquid and we are ripping her ideas to shreds with a buttload of thinly-veiled (and not-so-thinly-veiled) insults.
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On February 17 2014 18:31 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:26 739 wrote:
what the fuck is that discussion. Warwick support blows in every single way, can we stop that already? :/ Here's a summary: some (apparently new) person comes to Teamliquid and we are ripping her ideas to shreds with a buttload of thinly-veiled (and not-so-thinly-veiled) insults.
With good reason.
WW support, dafuq.
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On February 17 2014 18:31 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:26 739 wrote:
what the fuck is that discussion. Warwick support blows in every single way, can we stop that already? :/ Here's a summary: some (apparently new) person comes to Teamliquid and we are ripping her ideas to shreds with a buttload of thinly-veiled (and not-so-thinly-veiled) insults.
ww support is not the issue, any info and debate about him should just stay in the ww thread, i just brought that thread up becuase someone told everyone im troll and no one should listen to anything i say on this general thread becuase he saw my post back then.
Also since you asked im diamond 3 atm, but it's not releveant to the debate
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On February 17 2014 18:28 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:14 Roffles wrote:On February 17 2014 18:08 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 17 2014 18:02 Roffles wrote:
Dear Sarah Bryant,
Your beloved wolf provides absolutely zero crowd control abilities until level 6, and is useless before that as well due to his limited range on his Q. He is liable to get ganked super easily because he has no way to stop anything and gets poked down due to his inability to actually do anything in lane.
If you were to play support wolf, then your AD carry might as well be playing a 1v2 lane. Good luck.
Best Regards,
Your friendly Oceanic island neighbor As i stated, he has BAD lane phase which makes him pretty much non option versus the top players of the game. But with good, careful play[good warding, not eating too much harras] it's easily survivable on all skills levels but the very top. Hello delusional person, Your AD carry is effectively playing a 1v2 lane. Unless you're playing in like Wood 5, which I presume you are if you're serious about such a ridiculous thing, then effectively your AD carry is fucked for the first who knows how long. If I had a wolf jacking off next to me doing nothing but stealing EXP, I'd tell him to visit his family near blue buff and leave me alone. Thanks, Your former Tuvaluan neighbor My actual league isn't the issue here =/. It can work good with some effort on all skill level but high diamond
Kind of is. If you're doing it successfully in diamond, then ok. But if you're doing it in bronze and saying that it'll work at any level other than high diamond, that's kind of silly.
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Everyone's jimmies are rustled as hell right now.
ofc WW support is shit, no need to be so rustled.
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On February 17 2014 18:08 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:02 Roffles wrote:
Dear Sarah Bryant,
Your beloved wolf provides absolutely zero crowd control abilities until level 6, and is useless before that as well due to his limited range on his Q. He is liable to get ganked super easily because he has no way to stop anything and gets poked down due to his inability to actually do anything in lane.
If you were to play support wolf, then your AD carry might as well be playing a 1v2 lane. Good luck.
Best Regards,
Your friendly Oceanic island neighbor As i stated, he has BAD lane phase which makes him pretty much non option versus the top players of the game. But with good, careful play[good warding, not eating too much harras] it's easily survivable on all skills levels but the very top.
You don't FP warwick, you pick him against something that can't bully him all that hard, like mundo. He's fine in top lane. He's still not a support because he provides zero presence pre-6, which is what you want from a support.
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On February 17 2014 18:23 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:16 Sufficiency wrote:On February 17 2014 18:08 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 17 2014 18:02 Roffles wrote:
Dear Sarah Bryant,
Your beloved wolf provides absolutely zero crowd control abilities until level 6, and is useless before that as well due to his limited range on his Q. He is liable to get ganked super easily because he has no way to stop anything and gets poked down due to his inability to actually do anything in lane.
If you were to play support wolf, then your AD carry might as well be playing a 1v2 lane. Good luck.
Best Regards,
Your friendly Oceanic island neighbor As i stated, he has BAD lane phase which makes him pretty much non option versus the top players of the game. But with good, careful play[good warding, not eating too much harras] it's easily survivable on all skills levels but the very top. By using this argument I think any champion is viable as support. Surely with Ezreal's good poke and attack speed steroid he makes a wonderful support. Honestly though, as a support you are playing from a huge disadvantage. Not only do you not get to CS, you need to invest ~2k for an utility GP10 item and at least 950g for a Sightstone. Thus, as far as itemization goes, you are already 4k gold behind a laner. If you choose a champion (like WW) who requires farm to do well, you will be in for a hard time. I agree that this argument can be applied to every champion in the game, however i feel that almost none can provide the benefits he brings the same if he gets good out of the lane. and on regard to items, you need items that's true, but in s4 support gain more gold...so he can afford those items he dearly need.
Almost none provide the benefits he brings? Huh?
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On February 17 2014 18:48 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:23 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 17 2014 18:16 Sufficiency wrote:On February 17 2014 18:08 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 17 2014 18:02 Roffles wrote:
Dear Sarah Bryant,
Your beloved wolf provides absolutely zero crowd control abilities until level 6, and is useless before that as well due to his limited range on his Q. He is liable to get ganked super easily because he has no way to stop anything and gets poked down due to his inability to actually do anything in lane.
If you were to play support wolf, then your AD carry might as well be playing a 1v2 lane. Good luck.
Best Regards,
Your friendly Oceanic island neighbor As i stated, he has BAD lane phase which makes him pretty much non option versus the top players of the game. But with good, careful play[good warding, not eating too much harras] it's easily survivable on all skills levels but the very top. By using this argument I think any champion is viable as support. Surely with Ezreal's good poke and attack speed steroid he makes a wonderful support. Honestly though, as a support you are playing from a huge disadvantage. Not only do you not get to CS, you need to invest ~2k for an utility GP10 item and at least 950g for a Sightstone. Thus, as far as itemization goes, you are already 4k gold behind a laner. If you choose a champion (like WW) who requires farm to do well, you will be in for a hard time. I agree that this argument can be applied to every champion in the game, however i feel that almost none can provide the benefits he brings the same if he gets good out of the lane. and on regard to items, you need items that's true, but in s4 support gain more gold...so he can afford those items he dearly need. Almost none provide the benefits he brings? Huh?
none "unconventional" support
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
There are tons of more unconventional supports that provides a better presence. Something like Ziggs. Good harrass, good passive harrass, escape, damage + bomb on your head to avoid running away.
Brand works as well. Kennen too. Even Lux. Maokai and Nautilus.
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One time I played Yorick support. I won. Maybe I'll bring it back.
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On February 17 2014 18:55 GolemMadness wrote:
One time I played Yorick support. I won. Maybe I'll bring it back.
Which will be pretty trolly and unrespecful to others. But if you put time to test something across 4 diffrant leagues, put in clear explantions of pros and cons, and you are willing to help others on it that's not troll. Sure the idea may still be awful but...it's not trolling.
Anyway we can debate on much more intersting topics so let's move on, if someone feels like trying it and wants help/wants me to show how it works in game/wants to say how god awful it is pm me or post in the ww thread.
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On February 17 2014 19:01 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 18:55 GolemMadness wrote:
One time I played Yorick support. I won. Maybe I'll bring it back. Which will be pretty trolly and unrespecful to others. But if you put time to test something across 4 diffrant leagues, put in clear explantions of pros and cons, and you are willing to help others on it that's not troll. Sure the idea may still be awful but...it's not trolling. Anyway we can debate on much more intersting topics so let's move on, if someone feels like trying it and wants help/wants me to show how it works in game/wants to say how god awful it is pm me or post in the ww thread.
You realise that you need to play something in order to test it, right? And how would explaining pros and cons to other people make it a better pick?
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