EPT[Patch 4.2] Xerath/Skarner General Discussion - Page 64
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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Bam Lee
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What do you guys think? I feel like it might be worth a try | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On February 17 2014 22:01 The_Unseen wrote: What's with people trying such weird supports all the time? D: TL LoL does not have any support champions please don't make us support | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
So, the discussion was the use of Morgana support. People said she neuters Leona bot lane and could become a standard support to the champs run in bot lane now. What I'm wondering is if her laning vs some of the supports is enough to justify having morg on your team later. The problem I see is that she'll probably have a low amount of AP by the end, because she's not going to be getting any cs and her gank assist (at least I find) is probably the worst out of all of the popular supports. Black shield is still there, yes, but won't it break pretty easily later on if she doesn't get the items to get AP? Getting an hourglass on your budget is pretty optimistic unless you only go for that first (which I guess is fine, but getting into a good position to use it seems slim without flash, and if you have to use flash, why not play someone like Thresh, who's flash/ult is at least somewhat similar in power, is tankier and has better tools in general). | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
On February 17 2014 22:12 Dark_Chill wrote: Can someone warn or ban almost all the people involved in that support WW discussion. Holy shit that was fucking retarded. Like, there was a nice little Morgana discussion, one which could have been developed a lot more, and then someone out of nowhere decided to be an idiot and bring up something that no one should have cared about. So can we get back to the morgana discussion for a bit? So, the discussion was the use of Morgana support. People said she neuters Leona bot lane and could become a standard support to the champs run in bot lane now. What I'm wondering is if her laning vs some of the supports is enough to justify having morg on your team later. The problem I see is that she'll probably have a low amount of AP by the end, because she's not going to be getting any cs and her gank assist (at least I find) is probably the worst out of all of the popular supports. Black shield is still there, yes, but won't it break pretty easily later on if she doesn't get the items to get AP? Getting an hourglass on your budget is pretty optimistic unless you only go for that first (which I guess is fine, but getting into a good position to use it seems slim without flash, and if you have to use flash, why not play someone like Thresh, who's flash/ult is at least somewhat similar in power, is tankier and has better tools in general). Assuming you black shield your adc it shouldnt break THAT easily. He shouldnt be taking that much magic dmg in the first place and i think if a cc skill breaks the shield the cc is still blocked? Would need some confirmation on that since i dont see morg that often anymore. Offensive ults are impossible without zhonyas but it should still be a good peel for your adc i believe, making her more of a defensive support until she gets her zhonyas which is not too bad since her ult can be very strong for peeling purposes. She might not be god tier support but she is definitely a niche pick | ||
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Sarah Bryant
United Kingdom160 Posts
On February 17 2014 20:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Fair enough, I apologize for saying you were trolling. It's just hard to take you seriously because you say dumb stuff about one champion that's *not viable then turn around and blast one that's been picked in the LCS as being unplayable. Alright, no harm done  . Also, it's true i'm not much of a fan of morg support, but she's way more valid for high level than ww is, i just said i'm not a big fan of her becasue you got safer picks imo.Dark_Chill Yes, that is main issue imo with her, she have all the tools you need and has a good lane phase , but unlike leona/thresh/lulu/karma/annie it's not as easy to put them to good use Q is good but the main problem is that it's not that hard to dodge, if you need to peel something with it and miss[can happen!] your carry is on a bad spot. E is great, but it's one person and blocks only magic damage. It's great on every stage of the game, but it's not uber spell. R is good...but the stun part of it is hard to pull out early and mid game, as support you are squishy and die easily because of focus. Other supports just have it easier and safer...theresh and leona for instance are tankier and can put thier cc easier and safer than morgana can. She isn't bad can if you really love her you can succeed with her on all levels...but prepare to work harder. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
Same thing applies for Lux support | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Also, this discussion has revealed to us the chat channel lolgirls. AMG GIRLS | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 17 2014 22:01 The_Unseen wrote: What's with people trying such weird supports all the time? D: More people should try more unconventional supports. I'm a fan of it all. If you win though don't claim it's really any good until you actually play with it a bit more. I've tried many many many different champions at support and been surprised at a few good ones, and dismayed at the majority. Support Veigar is totally a thing when paired with Twitch to give him free casket expunges, but with a mjority of others he's definitely a downgrade from other supports. If you play 20-30 games with one champ at support and actually manage to face all the likely lane matchups you are just STARTING to have a feel for how your character will do in their role. I do believe at low levels though (say... everything beneath diamond) that an individual who's exceptionally skilled at a certain champion can make them seem stronger than they actually are (though I'd lump ww in there too). | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
you can certainly carry with any champ in any position below diamond and probably in diamond unless its intentionally terible (like jungle kogmaw, or support warwick) and even then its still possible so theres fucking zero point discussing this since everyone knows its terrible and arguing that you can win games with it is pointles much better to discuss only slightly bad champs like garen top anyone who plays unconventional supports because they think others are boring should try playing conventional supports and see how retarded overpowered they are | ||
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Sarah Bryant
United Kingdom160 Posts
On February 17 2014 23:16 Scip wrote: You need to chill, Dark_Chill. People discussed support Warwick because they wanted to, I am sorry that your precious little support Morgana topic got interrupted with it, but you might want to deal with that somewhat more maturely than crying for bans and warnings like a little kid. Also, this discussion has revealed to us the chat channel lolgirls. AMG GIRLS Heh, it has like 15 people, maybe, at peak times, it's supposed to be the main channel for an 1700 members [1000 or so from euw] facebook group but well, shy and stuff. That said the eu female scene is very strong, for sure more than the na one, http://www.esl.eu/eu/female/. Good number of teams, good level and painfully competitive. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
but yeah i have no idea why you'd play ww support over jungle or top, or mid, he's very farm dependent since he's an auto reliant melee | ||
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Sarah Bryant
United Kingdom160 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 18 2014 00:01 Sarah Bryant wrote: You could suspect that, but to play esl female you need to video and voice proof before admins, so fakes are never able to enter into any circle what if they just get their girlfriend to do it OH WAIT LOL PLAYERS DONT HAVE GIRLFRIENDS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL rekt | ||
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