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On February 17 2014 16:43 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 08:57 arb wrote:On February 16 2014 22:47 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 16 2014 22:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
She's just trolling, don't listen to anything she says Is this reddit?, you just decide i "troll" out of nowhere becuase i say morg support isnt worth picking?, okay <3. Yes she's good vs melee support, but again the same can be said about most supports..they all have thier benefit, but the current fotms just have the best tools, morg cant provide all the goodies they bring. you reek of reddit imo. posting like that would never have flown back before sc2 and the mods got super lenient on handing out bans/warnings :c So let me get this straight: Calling someone a troll for no reason at all is fine? and telling other people not to listen to anything she says, again for NO reason at all, is just fine?. He just didn't like what i write here in the warwick thread, seen by his post in the same page after i posted my idea http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=246369¤tpage=22Now where, exacly, is the troll part?, i feel something is legit and i want to promote it, i give good explentaion as to why i feel like that, i give clear explenations on the weakness and bad parts of it,, even going as far as saying he's not worth picking versus top level players and fotms, i encourge people to try it and contact me if they need help on it. And in this thread, i said morg is okay but you got safer options, is that troll?
Cons:
Bad BAD lane, they will try to harras, they will try to zone, just need to wether the storm with careful positioning and good warding, it's very possible unless the enemy can perfect play against you, which isnt easy.
How do you stop them from harassing? Are you going to run at their face and auto them?
Warding: he cant get as "classic" support becuase he needs to rush items.
If he's not good with low items why would you pick Warwick?
Peel: can only use ultimate+botrk active, granted combined with the as buff for the adc its not bad, but it's the only peel
How are you getting bork if you have the aforementioned terrible laning phase? You have to be 6 to do anything and sona still does that thing better. Not to mention Annie or Leona or Thresh.
Ultimate: Has so many uses that benefit your team!. Initiate[either primary or secondary], catch tower divers or players who misstep thier position[either into tower range or in the open], in ganks, in 2v2, for peels...it has great uses for support, does pretty good damage with items and has short cooldown.
Again, there's a reason strong supports are strong. They get free tank stats or use ranged abilities. Compare ali/leona tanking ability to support warwick who apparently rushes bork. Compare thresh q, annie stun, sona crescendo to warwick I'm getting in melee range and can get interrupted out of my cc ability.
Ganks: Once you are level 6 it's hunting season, fast ganks mid for ulti+ignite+free mid skillshots or ganks at your own lane with jungle help. Big damage and hard to escpe from, can gank better than most[all?] other supports because of the e speed.
How can warwick gank better than any other support I've already mentioned? If you have E on they know you're coming. Tell me you're more scared when you get a big sign over your head announcing "Warwick's near" than when thresh flash death sentence + flays you. Hell add the box on top since you're using Warwick's ult also.
On February 16 2014 22:47 Sarah Bryant wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 22:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
She's just trolling, don't listen to anything she says Is this reddit?, you just decide i "troll" out of nowhere becuase i say morg support isnt worth picking?, okay <3.
On January 07 2014 20:55 Sarah Bryant wrote:
If you have any questions i'm on #r/leagueoflegends on quakenet. Happy hunting.
Come on now. Let's be sensible here. Starting a discussion by calling names when you're spouting some very questionable ideas won't help anyone.
You made the case for Warwick support sucking by yourself.
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Warwick: has a 1.5 second suppress on one target, is useless in lane, won't be able to get tanky due to lack of items, won't do any damage, has a small amount of utility
Sona: has a 1.5 second stun that can hit multiple targets, has good poke, a heal, a speed boost/slow, and can be strong in lane
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i really hate the fact that 2 plat 3's and a plat 2 and a plat 1 are all above me in this game in pick order. new system is such bs
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Warwick is 1.8 seconds suppression by the way. But during that time he is basically CC'ed himself.
That being said, Warwick is a poor support. You can't do anything before 6, and even if you are 6 your R can be interrupted (which btw can be done by ANY support in the game); his lane sustain sucks and needs a lot of mana; his W only provides half attack speed for other champions.
He is even worse than some of the Gambit supports that got played in the LCS.
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Roffles
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Hello Sarah Bryant,
Are you PrinceXizor's smurf? Because if not, you might suffer from the same mental illness that plagued that guy. The one that eliminates all rationality from a person's train of thought.
I kindly suggest you check into the mental hospital that is called Reddit and become a permanent resident there.
Sincerely,
Your Primary Care Physician
User was warned for this post
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On February 17 2014 17:00 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 16:42 iCanada wrote:On February 17 2014 16:40 739 wrote:
Because Xerath's ult is freaking hard to dodge. Yeah, I actually dont get how to dodge it. /shrug And that range... Someone mentioned earlier that his ulti was easy to dodge... and them I played a game against xerarth, and I tried to dodge like crazy, but to no avail, he hit me each time. Shit rekt me.
It's really fucking fast, you can dodge it if you've got a repositioning skill and are on top of it, but just walking out of the aoe is I don't think very doable.
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On February 17 2014 17:38 wussleeQ wrote:
i really hate the fact that 2 plat 3's and a plat 2 and a plat 1 are all above me in this game in pick order. new system is such bs
I have NO IDEA why they thought reversing the "highest mmr = higher priority in picks" was a good idea.
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lol. The original % health execute, just worded differently.
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On February 17 2014 17:51 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 17:38 wussleeQ wrote:
i really hate the fact that 2 plat 3's and a plat 2 and a plat 1 are all above me in this game in pick order. new system is such bs I have NO IDEA why they thought reversing the "highest mmr = higher priority in picks" was a good idea.
I haven't played ranked since the changes, but based on my understanding, I can see this being a good change.
I rarely duo ranked, but when I do I always duo with people with lower MMR than me - so I would always first pick. It's kind of awkward because I like to play mid and I would always get counterpicked really hard every single game.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On February 17 2014 17:51 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 17:38 wussleeQ wrote:
i really hate the fact that 2 plat 3's and a plat 2 and a plat 1 are all above me in this game in pick order. new system is such bs I have NO IDEA why they thought reversing the "highest mmr = higher priority in picks" was a good idea.
Hello Talack,
Riot firmly believes that by randomizing the picks will decrease the amount of hatred demonstrated by higher picks towards lower picks during champion select. More often than not, you will hear "You are last pick. You are shit. Fuck you go back to Copper". By randomizing this, you do not have the luxury of knowing who is necessarily at a higher MMR and are thus unable to brutally attack your teammates during champion select.
This is part of Riot's plan to have MMR unviewable to the public and hide behind the points system.
Best Regards,
Not Riot Staff
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On February 17 2014 17:41 Sufficiency wrote:
Warwick is 1.8 seconds suppression by the way. But during that time he is basically CC'ed himself.
That being said, Warwick is a poor support. You can't do anything before 6, and even if you are 6 your R can be interrupted (which btw can be done by ANY support in the game); his lane sustain sucks and needs a lot of mana; his W only provides half attack speed for other champions.
He is even worse than some of the Gambit supports that got played in the LCS.
Oops, looked at the page too fast. It's a 1.5 second channel.
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On February 17 2014 17:56 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 17:51 Talack wrote:On February 17 2014 17:38 wussleeQ wrote:
i really hate the fact that 2 plat 3's and a plat 2 and a plat 1 are all above me in this game in pick order. new system is such bs I have NO IDEA why they thought reversing the "highest mmr = higher priority in picks" was a good idea. Hello Talack, Riot firmly believes that by randomizing the picks will decrease the amount of hatred demonstrated by higher picks towards lower picks during champion select. More often than not, you will hear "You are last pick. You are shit. Fuck you go back to Copper". By randomizing this, you do not have the luxury of knowing who is necessarily at a higher MMR and are thus unable to brutally attack your teammates during champion select. This is part of Riot's plan to have MMR unviewable to the public and hide behind the points system. Best Regards, Not Riot Staff
Despite your sarcastic tone I just want to say that your MMR compared to your teammates is useless, because the actual difference is extremely small.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Hello Sufficiency,
Instead of making fun of people at Reddit for posting ridiculous nonsense, perhaps you should take a look at your own posts from time to time.
Best Regards,
Your friendly neighbor
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On February 17 2014 17:09 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 16:43 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 17 2014 08:57 arb wrote:On February 16 2014 22:47 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 16 2014 22:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
She's just trolling, don't listen to anything she says Is this reddit?, you just decide i "troll" out of nowhere becuase i say morg support isnt worth picking?, okay <3. Yes she's good vs melee support, but again the same can be said about most supports..they all have thier benefit, but the current fotms just have the best tools, morg cant provide all the goodies they bring. you reek of reddit imo. posting like that would never have flown back before sc2 and the mods got super lenient on handing out bans/warnings :c So let me get this straight: Calling someone a troll for no reason at all is fine? and telling other people not to listen to anything she says, again for NO reason at all, is just fine?. He just didn't like what i write here in the warwick thread, seen by his post in the same page after i posted my idea http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=246369¤tpage=22Now where, exacly, is the troll part?, i feel something is legit and i want to promote it, i give good explentaion as to why i feel like that, i give clear explenations on the weakness and bad parts of it,, even going as far as saying he's not worth picking versus top level players and fotms, i encourge people to try it and contact me if they need help on it. And in this thread, i said morg is okay but you got safer options, is that troll? Show nested quote +Cons:
Bad BAD lane, they will try to harras, they will try to zone, just need to wether the storm with careful positioning and good warding, it's very possible unless the enemy can perfect play against you, which isnt easy. How do you stop them from harassing? Are you going to run at their face and auto them? If he's not good with low items why would you pick Warwick? Show nested quote +Peel: can only use ultimate+botrk active, granted combined with the as buff for the adc its not bad, but it's the only peel How are you getting bork if you have the aforementioned terrible laning phase? You have to be 6 to do anything and sona still does that thing better. Not to mention Annie or Leona or Thresh. Show nested quote +Ultimate: Has so many uses that benefit your team!. Initiate[either primary or secondary], catch tower divers or players who misstep thier position[either into tower range or in the open], in ganks, in 2v2, for peels...it has great uses for support, does pretty good damage with items and has short cooldown.
Again, there's a reason strong supports are strong. They get free tank stats or use ranged abilities. Compare ali/leona tanking ability to support warwick who apparently rushes bork. Compare thresh q, annie stun, sona crescendo to warwick I'm getting in melee range and can get interrupted out of my cc ability. Show nested quote +Ganks: Once you are level 6 it's hunting season, fast ganks mid for ulti+ignite+free mid skillshots or ganks at your own lane with jungle help. Big damage and hard to escpe from, can gank better than most[all?] other supports because of the e speed.
How can warwick gank better than any other support I've already mentioned? If you have E on they know you're coming. Tell me you're more scared when you get a big sign over your head announcing "Warwick's near" than when thresh flash death sentence + flays you. Hell add the box on top since you're using Warwick's ult also. Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 22:47 Sarah Bryant wrote:On February 16 2014 22:40 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
She's just trolling, don't listen to anything she says Is this reddit?, you just decide i "troll" out of nowhere becuase i say morg support isnt worth picking?, okay <3. Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 20:55 Sarah Bryant wrote:
If you have any questions i'm on #r/leagueoflegends on quakenet. Happy hunting.
Come on now. Let's be sensible here. Starting a discussion by calling names when you're spouting some very questionable ideas won't help anyone. You made the case for Warwick support sucking by yourself.
It's not related to my opinion on warwick support...he saw my ww post back then, decided by himself that it's troll. Now he saw my unrelated morgana post on this thread, and said for NO REASON "oh she's a troll dont listen to anything she says". That's just mean.
On regard to my ww support idea, you can say it's questionable, you can say it's downright awful, it's your opinion and i respect that, but my idea is in no way shape or form troll. i thought about it, ran games with it, and presented it for others to think, debate, and enjoy trying, not as an attempt to troll anyone.
Now as to the points you raise:
Note i say in the post that he's not a top tier and shouldnt be picked versus the top support players and champs if you plan to rush lcs. lane can range from fine to very hard depending on the comps and quality of players you face. You yourself can take harras easy and your adc needs to be on his toes, you will need to outplay.
His ganks are better becuase thresh for instance is much slower, you can just turn off e before you're in range and activate it again, but if the mid is low enough you can get them.
And for the benefits, i listed them on my article, as buff, vision, good damage, low cd nice ulti, etc.
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Roffles
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On February 17 2014 17:57 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 17:56 Roffles wrote:On February 17 2014 17:51 Talack wrote:On February 17 2014 17:38 wussleeQ wrote:
i really hate the fact that 2 plat 3's and a plat 2 and a plat 1 are all above me in this game in pick order. new system is such bs I have NO IDEA why they thought reversing the "highest mmr = higher priority in picks" was a good idea. Hello Talack, Riot firmly believes that by randomizing the picks will decrease the amount of hatred demonstrated by higher picks towards lower picks during champion select. More often than not, you will hear "You are last pick. You are shit. Fuck you go back to Copper". By randomizing this, you do not have the luxury of knowing who is necessarily at a higher MMR and are thus unable to brutally attack your teammates during champion select. This is part of Riot's plan to have MMR unviewable to the public and hide behind the points system. Best Regards, Not Riot Staff Despite your sarcastic tone I just want to say that your MMR compared to your teammates is useless, because the actual difference is extremely small.
Dear Sufficiency,
There can be much variance in MMRs when duo queues exist.
Thanks,
Your friendly Pitcairnian neighbor
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Dear Sarah Bryant,
Your beloved wolf provides absolutely zero crowd control abilities until level 6, and is useless before that as well due to his limited range on his Q. He is liable to get ganked super easily because he has no way to stop anything and gets poked down due to his inability to actually do anything in lane.
If you were to play support wolf, then your AD carry might as well be playing a 1v2 lane. Good luck.
Best Regards,
Your friendly Oceanic island neighbor
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On February 17 2014 17:57 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 17:41 Sufficiency wrote:
Warwick is 1.8 seconds suppression by the way. But during that time he is basically CC'ed himself.
That being said, Warwick is a poor support. You can't do anything before 6, and even if you are 6 your R can be interrupted (which btw can be done by ANY support in the game); his lane sustain sucks and needs a lot of mana; his W only provides half attack speed for other champions.
He is even worse than some of the Gambit supports that got played in the LCS. Oops, looked at the page too fast. It's a 1.5 second channel.
Yeah WW is free this week and I played him quite a bit on my smurf (because I got no top laners on that account and Darius sucks balls). The more I play him the more I feel he is just one mana cost buff on Q away from being fotm. His laning phase is already decent (if they reduce his Q's mana cost....) and his R is absolutely retarded. In a teamfight, his Q does decent damage and when his E kicks in he is unstoppable.
Definitely not good as support though - he needs items to build his tanky stats. Top lane is where he belongs.
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On February 17 2014 18:02 Roffles wrote:
Dear Sarah Bryant,
Your beloved wolf provides absolutely zero crowd control abilities until level 6, and is useless before that as well due to his limited range on his Q. He is liable to get ganked super easily because he has no way to stop anything and gets poked down due to his inability to actually do anything in lane.
If you were to play support wolf, then your AD carry might as well be playing a 1v2 lane. Good luck.
Best Regards,
Your friendly Oceanic island neighbor
As i stated, he has BAD lane phase which makes him pretty much non option versus the top players of the game. But with good, careful play[good warding, not eating too much harras] it's easily survivable on all skills levels but the very top.
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On February 17 2014 17:59 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 17:57 Sufficiency wrote:On February 17 2014 17:56 Roffles wrote:On February 17 2014 17:51 Talack wrote:On February 17 2014 17:38 wussleeQ wrote:
i really hate the fact that 2 plat 3's and a plat 2 and a plat 1 are all above me in this game in pick order. new system is such bs I have NO IDEA why they thought reversing the "highest mmr = higher priority in picks" was a good idea. Hello Talack, Riot firmly believes that by randomizing the picks will decrease the amount of hatred demonstrated by higher picks towards lower picks during champion select. More often than not, you will hear "You are last pick. You are shit. Fuck you go back to Copper". By randomizing this, you do not have the luxury of knowing who is necessarily at a higher MMR and are thus unable to brutally attack your teammates during champion select. This is part of Riot's plan to have MMR unviewable to the public and hide behind the points system. Best Regards, Not Riot Staff Despite your sarcastic tone I just want to say that your MMR compared to your teammates is useless, because the actual difference is extremely small. Dear Sufficiency, There can be much variance in MMRs when duo queues exist. Thanks, Your friendly Pitcairnian neighbor
This depends on what you call by "variance".
I recall back in S2, duo'ing with someone with large elo difference (300+) sucks pretty bad, because you gain very little elo from winning and a lot by losing. No one knows exactly how Riot's MMR works, but it is safe to assume it is quite similar to how elo works. Therefore, large difference in MMR is already punished by the system and from what I can tell they are fairly rare.
For the most part the difference in MMR is very small.
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