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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 23:12:15
October 31 2013 22:57 GMT
#681
On October 31 2013 23:54 Slayer91 wrote:
"Wasted" and "low efficiency" are different. Even annie can use crit because she technically auto attacks. Tiger udyr might get like 15 more on his shield (or phenoix like 5 damage on his r or something) but you'd never buy deathcap on him so you can say the ap is wasted, you can say the crit is wasted and mana is debateable, but id lean toward it being wasted only if you have another mana item already.

I've actually tried Triforce on Zilean and other unconventional Triforce users in bot games or on my smurf once or twice. I don't think it's a terrible item on anyone for the mid game state but it falls off on anyone who wants to make use of multiplicative scaling. Eg. Annie might want cdr, mana, mana regen, ap, and magic pen (flat and %) as well as anything that scales off those stats (lichbane and Deathcap). But for that one item timing, Triforce isn't bad on her.

I think Triforce is fine on anyone who can use all of the stats but many champions (bruisers in particular) have this power window where the ADC isn't destroying them in teamfights. That's why they build Triforce. To exploit this timing window. And of course some champions can proc Triforce's passive more than others.

Guess there is truth to "low efficiency though". AD, mana, hp, crit low efficiency on Annie

I don't smurf much and when I do it's almost always because my friends want me to smurf or I got a timeout.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 31 2013 22:58 GMT
#682
Ok I guess I was wrong the new Nasus voice blows nuts

:/
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 31 2013 23:00 GMT
#683
On November 01 2013 07:56 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
Will of the Ancients
Item Cost: 2000
Recipe Cost: 440
+50 Ability Power
+10 Mana Regen per 5 seconds
+10% Cooldown Reduction

UNIQUE Passive: +20% Spell Vamp

(Spell Vamp: Abilities heal for a percentage of the damage they deal. Area of Effect spells only grant one-third of the healing from Spell Vamp.)


Well this is awkward.

Item sucks. Better add mana regen.
Riot logic at its finest
liftlift > tsm
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 31 2013 23:03 GMT
#684
lulu ult nerfed by 50/75/100 hp given. poor lulu
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 31 2013 23:03 GMT
#685
Brutalizer nerf. No longer costs 1337. Unviable item now
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 23:05:49
October 31 2013 23:04 GMT
#686
On November 01 2013 08:00 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 07:56 Sufficiency wrote:
Will of the Ancients
Item Cost: 2000
Recipe Cost: 440
+50 Ability Power
+10 Mana Regen per 5 seconds
+10% Cooldown Reduction

UNIQUE Passive: +20% Spell Vamp

(Spell Vamp: Abilities heal for a percentage of the damage they deal. Area of Effect spells only grant one-third of the healing from Spell Vamp.)


Well this is awkward.

Item sucks. Better add mana regen.
Riot logic at its finest


No, it doesn't give spell vamp aura anymore. With all the support AP ratios, Will of the Ancients had some potentials.... alas.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 31 2013 23:05 GMT
#687
On November 01 2013 08:03 oneofthem wrote:
lulu ult nerfed by 50/75/100 hp given. poor lulu


Probably meant that you are supposed to get some AP items.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 31 2013 23:06 GMT
#688
On November 01 2013 08:04 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 08:00 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 01 2013 07:56 Sufficiency wrote:
Will of the Ancients
Item Cost: 2000
Recipe Cost: 440
+50 Ability Power
+10 Mana Regen per 5 seconds
+10% Cooldown Reduction

UNIQUE Passive: +20% Spell Vamp

(Spell Vamp: Abilities heal for a percentage of the damage they deal. Area of Effect spells only grant one-third of the healing from Spell Vamp.)


Well this is awkward.

Item sucks. Better add mana regen.
Riot logic at its finest


No, it doesn't give spell vamp aura anymore.

nor does it give the 30 ap aura now. They removed 30 ap+20% spellvamp aura in exchange for 10 mana regen and 550 gold. Yea......
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 31 2013 23:09 GMT
#689
Should just remove wota and only have spirit of spec wraith
liftlift > tsm
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 31 2013 23:10 GMT
#690
Haha, wow. I thought the nasus voice thing was gonna be pffft but wow they really dropped the ball on it, he sounds terrible.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
October 31 2013 23:10 GMT
#691
On November 01 2013 07:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.

Probably will be adjusted, but her other abilities got a big nerf in scaling too.


I honestly think they forgot to add a zero in front of the 9.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 23:12:48
October 31 2013 23:11 GMT
#692
On November 01 2013 08:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Should just remove wota and only have spirit of spec wraith

That's pretty much what they did yo. I expect spec wraith will be remade or removed
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 31 2013 23:13 GMT
#693
They probably forgot to put a zero in the extra changes. So .09 AP ratio.

Such W would give you 5% move speed at 100 AP and E would give you 59 AD and not 140 AD.

Still a 1.4 ratio on Janna's Q so long as you charge it so that will be a nice upgrade for AP/Push Janna
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 31 2013 23:14 GMT
#694
On November 01 2013 08:10 Amarok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 07:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.

Probably will be adjusted, but her other abilities got a big nerf in scaling too.


I honestly think they forgot to add a zero in front of the 9.

That would be so trash. .09 ratio? Lol
liftlift > tsm
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 31 2013 23:16 GMT
#695
Holy shit League subforum equal to sc2 and Dota in the Tournaments and Game General section?
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 23:22:29
October 31 2013 23:17 GMT
#696
Well the support scaling changes will be big, but nerfing the damage ratios even more feels bad, even if it's likely very needed.


Fucking autocorrect I hate you.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 23:19:35
October 31 2013 23:19 GMT
#697
On November 01 2013 08:11 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 08:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Should just remove wota and only have spirit of spec wraith

That's pretty much what they did yo. I expect spec wraith will be remade or removed

spectral wraith did get remade. it gives more regen and slightly more AP, but no longer has spell vamp and also has two new passives:
UNIQUE Passive: 5% of spell damage dealt to monsters is restored as Health and Mana.
UNIQUE Passive - Bounty Hunter: Champion kills, assists and epic monsters grant 30 bonus gold and large monsters grant 10 bonus gold.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 31 2013 23:19 GMT
#698
On November 01 2013 08:14 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 08:10 Amarok wrote:
On November 01 2013 07:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.

Probably will be adjusted, but her other abilities got a big nerf in scaling too.


I honestly think they forgot to add a zero in front of the 9.

That would be so trash. .09 ratio? Lol

Nah. Still pretty decent. You're thinking like someone who doesn't build AP.

This does two things for Janna

1) Solidifies the fact that she doesn't need boots, build AP instead
2) Turns all that AP into damage for her carries

At 200 AD you will grant +18 damage on your shield, have +26% (and +3%) Move Speed.

I mean, Janna is ridiculously strong at the moment with AP without AP scaling on her E this doesn't seem to nerf her (as i thought they would most assuredly have to)
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 23:21:55
October 31 2013 23:21 GMT
#699
On November 01 2013 08:14 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 08:10 Amarok wrote:
On November 01 2013 07:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.

Probably will be adjusted, but her other abilities got a big nerf in scaling too.


I honestly think they forgot to add a zero in front of the 9.

That would be so trash. .09 ratio? Lol

Hence it makes sense.

Wtf. I want my zoom zoom ADC tank Janna!
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
October 31 2013 23:24 GMT
#700
New nasus dance, drops boombox and pulls a snoop dog XD

Crispy Bacon craving overload.
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