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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 31 2013 21:59 GMT
#641
Good thing I subscribe to threads like a coolster
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 22:01:30
October 31 2013 22:00 GMT
#642
We're now in the front of TL with dota and SC2, soon we shall take over.
Considering that I instinctively still scroll to the bottom for league this will take some adjusting to.
Glorious SEA doto
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 22:01 GMT
#643
We're actually above BW, the old hats are probably a bit miffed lol.
It's your boy Guzma!
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 22:05:55
October 31 2013 22:03 GMT
#644
On November 01 2013 05:07 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 05:05 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 01 2013 05:03 Fusilero wrote:
On November 01 2013 05:02 Nos- wrote:
Vlanitak was made Dig's analyst, I think he's a TLer?

Analysing for dignitas probably amounts to 5 hours of valnitak pointing at a picture of baron and screaming "NO"

LOL
Same goes for every other non-C9 NA team out there

TSM isn't that bad with baron throwing. Honestly, they're pretty reputable when it comes to holding on to leads. It's more never having them in the first place that tends to get TSM.


No. TSM's weakpoint has always been team compositions and decision making/morale. Decision making/Morale is/was almost entirely on Regi's in game behavior. Not sure about team comps but probably also on Regi. They play really great in lane and often get early leads but against teams that know what they're doing in champion select they cannot capitalize on those leads. Then the morale/rage snowballs hard and they can't come back.

TSM(and NA in general) doesn't have a good handle on what makes a team composition strong, and the micro objectives that make/break team composition play. TSM can play against non-C9 NA teams because non-C9 NA teams also don't understand champion select and TSM's raw ability can overcome.

A good example of this is the C9 v TSM game at the regional finals. Three games in a row, C9 played a beefy engage comp. Their goals in team fights were threefold 1) Prevent Sona from ulting the back line/entire team 2) Kill Karthus first 3) Team fights must be linear*. [Edit: Their goals in overall strategy was to end laning early and contest jungle objectives as 5] To achieve this they stuck their least engage oriented bruiser between Sona and their back line and used the other beef to take down Karthus, if either Karthus or Sona got past their blockers Zyra would disengage ult them to stop their forward momentum. This meant that if Karthus and Sona both didn't have their flash up TSM had no way of winning a team fight, it was effectively 3v5 or 4v5 for most of them. Sona was reduced to ulting a tank and/or doing nothing, Karthus died out of range of the back line.

This meant that in any linear team fight there was no way for TSM to win. When C9 was flanked they retreated until the fight was linear. (fights at dragon when TSM came in from tri/top C9 would either collapse one way before TSM could flank or pull back into the blue pit. TSM would follow and line up for the fight C9 wanted). In all of the games, TSM got ahead early. Some of them with really amazing play in lane. Sometimes taking objectives early. But at some point the game would move to team fights and they were team fights that TSM could not win because they had failed to recognize what they had done in champion select and how the team fights would play out.

Because of the champions they had picked for top and mid they didn't even have the option to not team fight. They did not have the mobility and clear on a single champion to splitpush. If they somehow successfully split then they didn't have disengage to prevent losing the ensuing 4v5. They had no poke or kite so they could not siege. If they had picked two out of a disengage support, a split pushing top, or a poke/kite mid they could have won. But they didn't do that three games in a row.

Watch the best Korean's play. They might make those mistakes once or twice early in a series. But after that they have a read on the opposing comps and pick in ways to neutralize them while maximizing the strengths of their own strategy. And importantly, the winner of the Korean's matches doesn't necessarily hinge on amazing individual play (though there is a lot of that) but rather the winning team executing the strategy their composition needs to win in a way that the enemy composition cannot deal with.

*that is to say you can draw a line between your back line, your front line, the enemies front line, and the enemies back line.
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
October 31 2013 22:04 GMT
#645
everything is so bright wow
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
October 31 2013 22:05 GMT
#646
On November 01 2013 07:00 Fusilero wrote:
We're now in the front of TL with dota and SC2, soon we shall take over.
Considering that I instinctively still scroll to the bottom for league this will take some adjusting to.

You can adjust the sidebars to have whatever game you want in any order you want.
Moderatorgold coin
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 31 2013 22:08 GMT
#647
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/8059

I LOVE YOU ALL
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 22:10 GMT
#648
On November 01 2013 07:08 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/node/8059

I LOVE YOU ALL

nty, meh
It's your boy Guzma!
jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
October 31 2013 22:11 GMT
#649
this new format for the forum hurts my eyes lol, but hey finally some recognition
http://broukej.cz/lol-signatures/GGod_na_103_4_logo.png
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 31 2013 22:11 GMT
#650
Req is crazy.

That thing gets three fucking heads when you ult.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
October 31 2013 22:12 GMT
#651
New forum so sick!

Love how they included League in main squad of games, not just other games :D
twitch.tv/TKSaga twitter.com/TKSagaTV YT: Tinyurl.com/TKSaga
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
October 31 2013 22:13 GMT
#652
holy fuck the voiceover for infernal
and the three heads

heofdghefoighafogfdg
abgdoifughfdgaifdg
so good
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 22:15:29
October 31 2013 22:13 GMT
#653
I don't think every character needs to have a "dark theme" skin thrown on them. I like Nasus as a librarian, patient and neutral. I don't need him to be metal cerberus who shits flames.

meh

Edit: As I thought, new VO keeps the theme (cool) but the voice is not nearly on the same level.
It's your boy Guzma!
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 31 2013 22:15 GMT
#654
Yea I'm sorry but the new voice work does not capture the essence of the original at all.

What made it so badass is how Stoic and matter of fact Nasus was, this just sounds like a run of the mill voice filter.
Carrilord has arrived.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 31 2013 22:16 GMT
#655
So, the new Nasus voice is out.

+ Show Spoiler +


I think it's great.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
ZataN
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand414 Posts
October 31 2013 22:16 GMT
#656
<3 new TL!!! EQUALITY!
CJ BABY | FAKER > PAWN BELIEVE IT
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 22:16 GMT
#657
Ahahah Nasus now says "By Fire Be Purged!"

Ok, that's legit pretty good. I love WoW references.
It's your boy Guzma!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 22:18 GMT
#658
Oh wow all these PBE updates, gotta wait for it all to be done before thoughts.

Though that change for Lucian Q is nice.
It's your boy Guzma!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 22:21:23
October 31 2013 22:19 GMT
#659
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 31 2013 22:20 GMT
#660
Salvation [ Passive ]

Soraka's health and mana restoring abilities are 1% more powerful for each 2% health or mana the target is missing.


That's.... interesting.
It's your boy Guzma!
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