[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 34

On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.

On November 01 2013 07:03 Goumindong wrote:


No. TSM's weakpoint has always been team compositions and decision making/morale. Decision making/Morale is/was almost entirely on Regi's in game behavior. Not sure about team comps but probably also on Regi. They play really great in lane and often get early leads but against teams that know what they're doing in champion select they cannot capitalize on those leads. Then the morale/rage snowballs hard and they can't come back.

TSM(and NA in general) doesn't have a good handle on what makes a team composition strong, and the micro objectives that make/break team composition play. TSM can play against non-C9 NA teams because non-C9 NA teams also don't understand champion select and TSM's raw ability can overcome.

A good example of this is the C9 v TSM game at the regional finals. Three games in a row, C9 played a beefy engage comp. Their goals in team fights were threefold 1) Prevent Sona from ulting the back line/entire team 2) Kill Karthus first 3) Team fights must be linear*. [Edit: Their goals in overall strategy was to end laning early and contest jungle objectives as 5] To achieve this they stuck their least engage oriented bruiser between Sona and their back line and used the other beef to take down Karthus, if either Karthus or Sona got past their blockers Zyra would disengage ult them to stop their forward momentum. This meant that if Karthus and Sona both didn't have their flash up TSM had no way of winning a team fight, it was effectively 3v5 or 4v5 for most of them. Sona was reduced to ulting a tank and/or doing nothing, Karthus died out of range of the back line.

This meant that in any linear team fight there was no way for TSM to win. When C9 was flanked they retreated until the fight was linear. (fights at dragon when TSM came in from tri/top C9 would either collapse one way before TSM could flank or pull back into the blue pit. TSM would follow and line up for the fight C9 wanted). In all of the games, TSM got ahead early. Some of them with really amazing play in lane. Sometimes taking objectives early. But at some point the game would move to team fights and they were team fights that TSM could not win because they had failed to recognize what they had done in champion select and how the team fights would play out.

Because of the champions they had picked for top and mid they didn't even have the option to not team fight. They did not have the mobility and clear on a single champion to splitpush. If they somehow successfully split then they didn't have disengage to prevent losing the ensuing 4v5. They had no poke or kite so they could not siege. If they had picked two out of a disengage support, a split pushing top, or a poke/kite mid they could have won. But they didn't do that three games in a row.

Watch the best Korean's play. They might make those mistakes once or twice early in a series. But after that they have a read on the opposing comps and pick in ways to neutralize them while maximizing the strengths of their own strategy. And importantly, the winner of the Korean's matches doesn't necessarily hinge on amazing individual play (though there is a lot of that) but rather the winning team executing the strategy their composition needs to win in a way that the enemy composition cannot deal with.

*that is to say you can draw a line between your back line, your front line, the enemies front line, and the enemies back line.

On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.

On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.

On October 31 2013 20:01 nafta wrote:
Is there a way to go back to the old font for gold/damage?

On November 01 2013 07:46 Inschato wrote:
Lol. With those Janna changes in a vacuum she'd be 100% ban rate. No pick. Ever. You can't give someone that kind of AP -> AD ratio. Not in S3 league anyway.

On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.

On November 01 2013 07:50 wei2coolman wrote:

It would be pretty fucking amuzing though. Crit for 4k dmg off a vayne tumble would be pretty awesome. Or twitch 1 shotting everyone.

Will of the Ancients
Item Cost: 2000
Recipe Cost: 440
+50 Ability Power
+10 Mana Regen per 5 seconds
+10% Cooldown Reduction

UNIQUE Passive: +20% Spell Vamp

(Spell Vamp: Abilities heal for a percentage of the damage they deal. Area of Effect spells only grant one-third of the healing from Spell Vamp.)

On November 01 2013 07:55 Inschato wrote:

You're thinking too small. Remember Caitlyn has her headshot passive. She could probably crit baron for over 6k damage.