• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:14
CET 13:14
KST 21:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT24Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0226LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
Liquipedia WCS Portal Launched ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Kaelaris on the futue of SC2 and much more... How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) How do the "codes" work in GSL? Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
A new season just kicks off BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ CasterMuse Youtube TvZ is the most complete match up ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1626 users

[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 34

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 36 210 Next
Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
October 31 2013 22:21 GMT
#661
On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.


Dig's 4 Support + Kog comp is BACK!!!
/On the C9 Hype Train/@DatFirefly
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 22:25:27
October 31 2013 22:24 GMT
#662
and van damm's pillager is back?

gg riven ban every game plz

Mana Manipulator
Item Cost: 12180
Recipe Cost: 12000

hmm seems legit
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 31 2013 22:27 GMT
#663
Eh, so you're limited to "one gold income item", but... jungle items are included in these. So you can't build stuff like Shurelya on a jungler a la Maokai anymore. Not really liking it.

Also new Nasus VO sucks, it sounds like a poser, way too fake to genuinely sound calm and poised.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 31 2013 22:29 GMT
#664
Yea I agree it's bad.
Carrilord has arrived.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
October 31 2013 22:32 GMT
#665
Dat Nasus skin though.. O.O
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
October 31 2013 22:34 GMT
#666
On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.


No way it ends up that strong.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 31 2013 22:38 GMT
#667
On November 01 2013 07:03 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 05:07 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On November 01 2013 05:05 plasmidghost wrote:
On November 01 2013 05:03 Fusilero wrote:
On November 01 2013 05:02 Nos- wrote:
Vlanitak was made Dig's analyst, I think he's a TLer?

Analysing for dignitas probably amounts to 5 hours of valnitak pointing at a picture of baron and screaming "NO"

LOL
Same goes for every other non-C9 NA team out there

TSM isn't that bad with baron throwing. Honestly, they're pretty reputable when it comes to holding on to leads. It's more never having them in the first place that tends to get TSM.


No. TSM's weakpoint has always been team compositions and decision making/morale. Decision making/Morale is/was almost entirely on Regi's in game behavior. Not sure about team comps but probably also on Regi. They play really great in lane and often get early leads but against teams that know what they're doing in champion select they cannot capitalize on those leads. Then the morale/rage snowballs hard and they can't come back.

TSM(and NA in general) doesn't have a good handle on what makes a team composition strong, and the micro objectives that make/break team composition play. TSM can play against non-C9 NA teams because non-C9 NA teams also don't understand champion select and TSM's raw ability can overcome.

A good example of this is the C9 v TSM game at the regional finals. Three games in a row, C9 played a beefy engage comp. Their goals in team fights were threefold 1) Prevent Sona from ulting the back line/entire team 2) Kill Karthus first 3) Team fights must be linear*. [Edit: Their goals in overall strategy was to end laning early and contest jungle objectives as 5] To achieve this they stuck their least engage oriented bruiser between Sona and their back line and used the other beef to take down Karthus, if either Karthus or Sona got past their blockers Zyra would disengage ult them to stop their forward momentum. This meant that if Karthus and Sona both didn't have their flash up TSM had no way of winning a team fight, it was effectively 3v5 or 4v5 for most of them. Sona was reduced to ulting a tank and/or doing nothing, Karthus died out of range of the back line.

This meant that in any linear team fight there was no way for TSM to win. When C9 was flanked they retreated until the fight was linear. (fights at dragon when TSM came in from tri/top C9 would either collapse one way before TSM could flank or pull back into the blue pit. TSM would follow and line up for the fight C9 wanted). In all of the games, TSM got ahead early. Some of them with really amazing play in lane. Sometimes taking objectives early. But at some point the game would move to team fights and they were team fights that TSM could not win because they had failed to recognize what they had done in champion select and how the team fights would play out.

Because of the champions they had picked for top and mid they didn't even have the option to not team fight. They did not have the mobility and clear on a single champion to splitpush. If they somehow successfully split then they didn't have disengage to prevent losing the ensuing 4v5. They had no poke or kite so they could not siege. If they had picked two out of a disengage support, a split pushing top, or a poke/kite mid they could have won. But they didn't do that three games in a row.

Watch the best Korean's play. They might make those mistakes once or twice early in a series. But after that they have a read on the opposing comps and pick in ways to neutralize them while maximizing the strengths of their own strategy. And importantly, the winner of the Korean's matches doesn't necessarily hinge on amazing individual play (though there is a lot of that) but rather the winning team executing the strategy their composition needs to win in a way that the enemy composition cannot deal with.

*that is to say you can draw a line between your back line, your front line, the enemies front line, and the enemies back line.


C9 is really good at drafting and teamfighting though, that is kinda the calling card of that team. In Worlds TSM lost nearly every game before the first major objective was even taken (excepting a really early tower in some games). Lovelin and Bengi so totally outclassed TOO in lane pressure and kills that they really had no chance to even think about the things you are criticizing them for.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 31 2013 22:39 GMT
#668
On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.

Sololane janna incoming. Doublelift confirmed god for s4 if these changes pan through. Lolololol
liftlift > tsm
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 31 2013 22:43 GMT
#669
Hell, with those changes, Janna AD Carry. Gunblade Trinity Guinsoo IE LW.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
October 31 2013 22:46 GMT
#670
Lol. With those Janna changes in a vacuum she'd be 100% ban rate. No pick. Ever. You can't give someone that kind of AP -> AD ratio. Not in S3 league anyway.
3.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 31 2013 22:46 GMT
#671
HOLY SHIT is this real? 0.9AD to AP ratio on Janna E? That is so broken it is beyond funny.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 31 2013 22:47 GMT
#672
On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.

Probably will be adjusted, but her other abilities got a big nerf in scaling too.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 31 2013 22:48 GMT
#673
k. i no like new nasus voice over. hopping on riot nasus VU hatetrain
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
October 31 2013 22:49 GMT
#674
On October 31 2013 20:01 nafta wrote:
Is there a way to go back to the old font for gold/damage?

Edit the config text file to get it to the font and color you want.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 31 2013 22:50 GMT
#675
On November 01 2013 07:46 Inschato wrote:
Lol. With those Janna changes in a vacuum she'd be 100% ban rate. No pick. Ever. You can't give someone that kind of AP -> AD ratio. Not in S3 league anyway.

It would be pretty fucking amuzing though. Crit for 4k dmg off a vayne tumble would be pretty awesome. Or twitch 1 shotting everyone.
liftlift > tsm
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-31 22:54:01
October 31 2013 22:52 GMT
#676
Wait so is Dig going to cologne for a single bo3 vs EG? they arent in IEM

e: i just realized the set of Cologne games is on 14.12. which means it isn't even during IEM so they fly tsm & Dig over for 1 bo3 each? xD
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 31 2013 22:54 GMT
#677
On November 01 2013 07:19 Ketara wrote:
Also, some of these support changes.

Janna +0.9 AP ratio on her AD on her shield.

A Janna with 700 AP's shield shields for 870 and gives 680 AD.

Oh and with that much AP her W's passive movespeed bonus will be +366%.

These numbers can't be legit.

rito pls
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
October 31 2013 22:55 GMT
#678
On November 01 2013 07:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 07:46 Inschato wrote:
Lol. With those Janna changes in a vacuum she'd be 100% ban rate. No pick. Ever. You can't give someone that kind of AP -> AD ratio. Not in S3 league anyway.

It would be pretty fucking amuzing though. Crit for 4k dmg off a vayne tumble would be pretty awesome. Or twitch 1 shotting everyone.

You're thinking too small. Remember Caitlyn has her headshot passive. She could probably crit baron for over 6k damage.
3.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 31 2013 22:56 GMT
#679
Will of the Ancients
Item Cost: 2000
Recipe Cost: 440
+50 Ability Power
+10 Mana Regen per 5 seconds
+10% Cooldown Reduction

UNIQUE Passive: +20% Spell Vamp

(Spell Vamp: Abilities heal for a percentage of the damage they deal. Area of Effect spells only grant one-third of the healing from Spell Vamp.)


Well this is awkward.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 31 2013 22:57 GMT
#680
On November 01 2013 07:55 Inschato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 07:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 01 2013 07:46 Inschato wrote:
Lol. With those Janna changes in a vacuum she'd be 100% ban rate. No pick. Ever. You can't give someone that kind of AP -> AD ratio. Not in S3 league anyway.

It would be pretty fucking amuzing though. Crit for 4k dmg off a vayne tumble would be pretty awesome. Or twitch 1 shotting everyone.

You're thinking too small. Remember Caitlyn has her headshot passive. She could probably crit baron for over 6k damage.


I am guessing maybe 0.1 AP ratio. Not 0.9.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 36 210 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Epic.LAN
12:00
#47 - Day 1
Liquipedia
PiG Sty Festival
09:00
Group B
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
PiGStarcraft1102
TKL 347
IndyStarCraft 188
Rex153
BRAT_OK 119
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft1102
TKL 347
IndyStarCraft 188
Rex 153
Lowko133
BRAT_OK 119
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 7451
Rain 3202
GuemChi 2451
PianO 2348
BeSt 1187
Jaedong 1040
Hyuk 508
Light 322
actioN 314
Soma 187
[ Show more ]
Hyun 184
Mini 173
ZerO 159
Pusan 115
Snow 113
Dewaltoss 107
ggaemo 82
Soulkey 76
Rush 75
hero 75
Mong 69
Killer 68
Aegong 65
Mind 53
Barracks 52
JYJ 52
Hm[arnc] 48
Sharp 46
Backho 39
ToSsGirL 35
Nal_rA 34
sSak 28
[sc1f]eonzerg 26
JulyZerg 26
Free 25
910 23
Icarus 23
GoRush 20
yabsab 17
Noble 17
zelot 16
Movie 14
SilentControl 13
Bale 13
Shine 12
NotJumperer 8
ivOry 4
Terrorterran 4
Britney 2
Dota 2
Gorgc2847
XaKoH 539
XcaliburYe84
canceldota12
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2118
zeus1105
m0e_tv405
fl0m0
Other Games
singsing2159
shoxiejesuss787
B2W.Neo630
Fuzer 238
crisheroes162
Happy152
Hui .99
ToD98
Trikslyr27
ZerO(Twitch)21
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL35985
Other Games
gamesdonequick644
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco319
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV226
League of Legends
• Stunt636
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
4h 46m
Harstem vs MaNa
Reynor vs SKillous
Replay Cast
11h 46m
PiG Sty Festival
20h 46m
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
21h 46m
Epic.LAN
23h 46m
Replay Cast
1d 11h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 20h
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-19
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.