EPT[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 36
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 01 2013 08:19 Goumindong wrote: Nah. Still pretty decent. You're thinking like someone who doesn't build AP. This does two things for Janna 1) Solidifies the fact that she doesn't need boots, build AP instead 2) Turns all that AP into damage for her carries At 200 AD you will grant +18 damage on your shield, have +26% (and +3%) Move Speed. I mean, Janna is ridiculously strong at the moment with AP without AP scaling on her E this doesn't seem to nerf her (as i thought they would most assuredly have to) If ap was so cheap that janna could get 200 to 400 ap in a game. I can't imagine how bonkers some mids are going to be. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On November 01 2013 07:58 xes wrote: Ok I guess I was wrong the new Nasus voice blows nuts :/ ditto at least I like hellfire nasus' voice | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On November 01 2013 08:25 wei2coolman wrote: If ap was so cheap that janna could get 200 to 400 ap in a game. I can't imagine how bonkers some mids are going to be. I regularly get 150-200 AP on support Janna in Season 3 games at Platinum level. If the game goes long and i have time enough to pick up Deathcap i've peaked near 400. With the extra income provided by the executioners/Philo/Pick items above and beyond the current GP/10 items it seems like a reasonable target. Executioners is 26 gold/wave[slightly more since you get 1 cannon/3 waves]. Equivalent to about 8.6 GP/10 available at level 1. Pick and Philo are slightly lower but also build into better items. [and pick has better starts]. If you're not worried about that and instead simply take the gold and build efficient AP items it is not particularly hard to achieve a high amount of gold by mid/lategame. Edit: Ruby Sightstone + Morellonomicon is about 3750 gold. Its worth +75 AP. Combined with some AP from runes this is about 120 AP. From there you're only 80 AP [so 1600 gold] from 200 AP. Even if you're perma oracles and spending money on pinks its not particularly hard to achieve. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On November 01 2013 08:19 Goumindong wrote: Nah. Still pretty decent. You're thinking like someone who doesn't build AP. This does two things for Janna 1) Solidifies the fact that she doesn't need boots, build AP instead 2) Turns all that AP into damage for her carries At 200 AD you will grant +18 damage on your shield, have +26% (and +3%) Move Speed. I mean, Janna is ridiculously strong at the moment with AP without AP scaling on her E this doesn't seem to nerf her (as i thought they would most assuredly have to) Lulu's W does a big movespeed buff and more AP than +200AP would give for the shield at .09 scaling (at rank 5, lulu W grants 60AP). It is better than nothing, but .09 makes no sense. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
They just made it into Spectral Wraith for laners only better. Akali and Vladimir and Mordekaiser and Cassiopeia were already getting Spectral Wraith anyway. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On November 01 2013 08:39 TheRabidDeer wrote: Lulu's W does a big movespeed buff and more AP than +200AP would give for the shield at .09 scaling (at rank 5, lulu W grants 60AP). It is better than nothing, but .09 makes no sense. I do not understand what you're saying at all. 1) Lulu's W does not have a passive move speed buff. Of course the active buff from the very expensive and long CD whimsy is larger than the passive buff from Janna's W. 2) Lulu has no scaling on the AP of her W. At 200 AP Janna would grant 50+18 AD or 68 AD. AD is typically more expensive than AP and that is a very large amount of AD any way you cut it. With the new income changes for support it should not be hard to achieve reasonable AP numbers which will make it even more significant. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On November 01 2013 08:47 Goumindong wrote: I do not understand what you're saying at all. 1) Lulu's W does not have a passive move speed buff. Of course the active buff from the very expensive and long CD whimsy is larger than the passive buff from Janna's W. 2) Lulu has no scaling on the AP of her W. At 200 AP Janna would grant 50+18 AD or 68 AD. AD is typically more expensive than AP and that is a very large amount of AD any way you cut it. With the new income changes for support it should not be hard to achieve reasonable AP numbers which will make it even more significant. 1) I wasnt talking about the passive movespeed buff from zephyr, just that it has a movespeed (instead of a shield) and lasts 5 seconds guaranteed (janna's can be bursted off immediately) 2) I thought it was being changed to a straight scaled +AD from her AP. People dont link the whole thing and I dont go to other sites Regardless, .09 makes no sense to me. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
New Nasus voice is so awful. -.- Imad. They better let me get new Nasus skin free, that voice is okay I guess. Still not anywhere near as awesome as the current. | ||
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Aando
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Edit: Scratch that. The ap-scaling depends on the rank of the skill. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I've never said this before but Riot is going to have to shut up and take my money, sadly. If i don't buy this I won't own every dog skin anymore. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 01 2013 08:59 iCanada wrote: Ughhhh. New Nasus voice is so awful. -.- Imad. They better let me get new Nasus skin free, that voice is okay I guess. Still not anywhere near as awesome as the current. How did they think they were "preserving" the old voice? | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 01 2013 08:43 Ketara wrote: Why are you guys bitching about WotA? They just made it into Spectral Wraith for laners only better. Akali and Vladimir and Mordekaiser and Cassiopeia were already getting Spectral Wraith anyway. I think this is somewhat of a misnomer. Hextech is often good just by itself. Generally it was just Vlad who upgraded to Specral Wraith. Akali wants to get Gunblade (why would she get WotA or Spec?) so she can burst down people harder. The spellvamp just happens to be a nice addition. Same goes for Morde. Cassi can just sit on Hextech and go for big power items like Rylais/Abyssal/DCap, if she even gets a Hextech. I'm not sure if you're just having a very different LoL experience to us though...? Also 0.9 AP Ration on Janna would be hilarious. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On November 01 2013 08:59 iCanada wrote: Ughhhh. New Nasus voice is so awful. -.- Imad. They better let me get new Nasus skin free, that voice is okay I guess. Still not anywhere near as awesome as the current. Me too. reddit mob, go do your thing. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On November 01 2013 09:04 MoonBear wrote: I think this is somewhat of a misnomer. Hextech is often good just by itself. Generally it was just Vlad who upgraded to Specral Wraith. Akali wants to get Gunblade (why would she get WotA or Spec?) so she can burst down people harder. The spellvamp just happens to be a nice addition. Same goes for Morde. Cassi can just sit on Hextech and go for big power items like Rylais/Abyssal/DCap, if she even gets a Hextech. I'm not sure if you're just having a very different LoL experience to us though...? Also 0.9 AP Ration on Janna would be hilarious. I've seen all those champs build Spectral Wraith. Whether or not it's GOOD I dunno, but they do it. Riot wants non-junglers to not be getting jungle items. So they did this. It makes sense. I just take issue with people saying the new WotA is bad when it has identical (better) stats to an existing item that champions already buy. | ||
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