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IMoperator
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 20 2013 21:10 zodde wrote: Wow, that's surprising to me. I never really saw any reason for DotA to be harder than LoL on the highest levels, it mostly comes down to the same skills, but I never even thought about LoL being the harder game. To get a grasp of the aAa teams relative level, what LoL team would you compare them to? aAa would be an amateur non LCS team in LoL. It's difficult to measure which game is "harder" at the highest level because in the end you still have to be better than the rest of the player pool, but I'd say it's "harder" to become a pro dota player from scratch. The best dota players have 5+ years of experience right now. Both games rely heavily on experience. For league it's knowing your lane matchups, knowing when you're stronger, when you can kill them, when you can cs, etc. For dota it's knowing where to be on the map and how to spend your time most efficiently, and good map sense/game sense. If you're good in either game you'll be pretty good at the other after 1000 games or so total (which really isn't that much if you think about it). Intangibles can determine whether you're gonna be just as good though. Hyhy switched from being a pro Dota player last year and signed instantly to SGS. He's done okay, but he's not fantastic. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 20 2013 17:54 TheYango wrote: Well the obvious extension is AP twitch with 30% CDR to go for double expunge burst damage. Side note: Are there any other instances of AP-scaling physical damage? There's lots of AD-scaling magic damage but looking at Twitch's Expunge made me realize how rare the reverse is. EDIT: Akali's E and Vi's E. Tryndamere E, Ezreal Q, Irelia Ulti, Jax Q, Quinn Q, Sivir Q ( it's only 0.5 now tho) | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On August 20 2013 21:01 mr_tolkien wrote: 200+ games. Nobody on the aAa DotA 2 squad has a decent ranking in LoL even though they played quite a lot of it. Tbh I found this hilarious xD They're not high-profile pro like any attending TI though. Ofc those ones would break D1 in LoL just as easily as high-profile LoL pros would be in very high matchmaking in a few hundred games. Is anyone on the aAa squad decent at dota2 ? :p | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On August 20 2013 22:08 Erasme wrote: Is anyone on the aAa squad decent at dota2 ? :p http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Against_All_authority They got a Liquipedia page they're legit ! xD | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
On August 20 2013 21:17 IMoperator wrote: If there's one thing I know for sure, it's that SC2 pros generally have a hard time adjusting to LoL. I mean, Idra is in silver. CombatEX (not really a pro but oh well) is in plat 3 with over a thousand games played this season. Destiny is diamond 2/3 and he's been playing this game for 10 months now, and has thousands of games played. Puzzle, CoCa and sC, some of the top players in the world, switched to LoL but then later switched back because they weren't successful. Select went to Dota2 for a while and found little success. It seems weird to me, because you would think they would absolutely dominate these games. Last hitting and using their skills well should be a given since they all have really good mechanics from starcraft, but the lack of teamwork in SC2 really drags down their mechanical skill. I remember that HotBid interview with Locodoco where he mentioned that SC2 players are really good mechanically but they just cannot play as a team very well. I just found it really interesting that some of the best players in the world at one of the hardest/highest skill cap games ever find little ol' casual League of Legends to be so hard. I'm not a pro by any means, but I'm fairly highly ranked in SC2 (~top 500EU on my usual seasons), and LoL is hard as shit for me to adapt to. Sure, I don't have any mechanical problems, but god is it hard to change your mindset | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On August 20 2013 22:44 sylverfyre wrote: Now I feel less bad for having been mid/high diamond in SC2 and only just now about to reach gold in LoL... What percentages are the different divisions in SC2 compared to their LoL counterparts btw? Edit: I guess i can google that ^^ Grandmaster 200 players Master 2% Diamond 18% Platinum 20% Gold 32% Silver 20% Bronze 8% These graphs explain it pretty well for LoL: http://i.imgur.com/Bqln4yy.png******** Gold 5 is top 9%, which is about mid Diamond, so you're actually not that far off. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 20 2013 22:26 mr_tolkien wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Against_All_authority They got a Liquipedia page they're legit ! xD they are like a tier 2.5 or tier 3 team. pretty much only compete in the big open online tournaments and win a couple games. and lose the rest. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On August 20 2013 07:35 Dusty wrote: I agree with mr_tolkien on Nashor's being the best first item for Kayle. It's almost impossible to play her without that item. Hey, were you making a TT guide or would you mind giving a quick synopsis here? | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
i think it took like 200 games just to get to lv 30 | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 21 2013 00:59 Kupon3ss wrote: Using some joke team like aAa? who are literally worse at dota than many of our forum members to set a bar of transition from dota to lol is somewhat laughable when there are readily available examples of top players hailing from dota backgrounds, some of the more prominent of being Misaya, Hyhy, and Doublelift and just screams confirmation bias Not to mention the majority of SEA teams in lol are culled from rising dota players. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On August 21 2013 00:59 Kupon3ss wrote: Using some joke team like aAa? who are literally worse at dota than many of our forum members to set a bar of transition from dota to lol is somewhat laughable when there are readily available examples of top players hailing from dota backgrounds, some of the more prominent of being Misaya, Hyhy, and Doublelift and just screams confirmation bias Given enough time Na'vi could get pretty good at LoL. That said, this is a dumb conversation anyway. I'm all for constructive discussion between LoL and Dota, but this one is flawed and not really going anywhere. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Trying to argue over which game is harder, which game has a higher skillcap, which players would do well at which game if they switched, is just stupid and at best poorly educated guesswork. Actual results of people trying other games has consistently proven that you just don't know. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 21 2013 01:01 PrinceXizor wrote: Not to mention the majority of SEA teams in lol are culled from rising dota players. But they're SEA teams... | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
better than most western ones. | ||
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