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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On July 12 2013 03:50 TheYango wrote: LoL needs something like dota2lounge where I can bet my IP. I would do that shit all the time. Betting against you should quadruple payouts, just 'cause. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Lux's shield sucks because it only uses base values (which are still darn high if you can make use of it), compared to, for example, Morgana (situationally seen supporting) which sports a pretty high base value and is only broken by magic damage, which helps its utility (cc immunity is strong as heck and tends to fuck over cc supports like Leona and Zyra—I hate to see a Morg support as Zyra because I can't prevent her from shielding herself and running close to us, sure you can focus her before her ults pops but then you focused the support while they wailed on your AD). Regarding Zyra's damage... Magic Damage: 26 + (6 × level) + (+ 20% AP) with 0.8 AS raised to 1.2 if the plant is hit by her ult. The incidental damage of plants staying alive throughout a fight is super high, at level 6 you can have over 100 dps from plants alone if you drop your ult on 2 of them which focus the same target (total dps is higher is they hit different targets) without any AP. Then you have stuff like Twin Shadows that is super good in Zyra. I'd rather build Locket, Twin Shadows and then mana regen on her than Bulwark, because you're innately squishy and losing the aegis aura hurts more than dying after activating Locket. Plus, your passive lets you help the fight even if you die, so better rely on positioning and if they come for you they'll pay for it anyway. So it was people realising that she hits like a truck even without any AP, and that solo lane farm only gives her damage (and maybe some survivability through Zhonya's), and deciding that they can have her strengths (AoE cc, great zone control, powerful disengage ultimate, bush checking) as a support while still getting the benefits from another mid laner. Unrelated topic, enemy team just surrendered at 20, they were a premade of 4 + another guy. Turns out they wanted to play ranked 5s (probably with a buddy having logged in after the game started) so they just surrendered and ditched in "there dude, have the loss and too bad for you if you wanted to play, we don't want of you". Wut. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
Yango would go broke all-ining on Royal all the time out of sheer fanboysim. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:00 Letmelose wrote: I think the reason why people are so sensitive about the brackets, and the way qualifications are structured is because this happens to be the only tournament left that all regions participate in. This is the only chance we get to see teams such as AHQ e-Sports Club, Royal Club, Positive Energy, Azubu Taipei Snipers, Cloud9, and Team Alternate get a chance to compete at the highest level, and Riot is not giving them a fair chance. I get the feeling that people are just okay with whatever the hell Riot does as long as there's a good show, because one of the Asian teams (because Asian teams are basically all the same to them) win in the end. We wouldn't be throwing such a hissy fit if there were more cross-regional competition, but Riot has pro-actively went against that direction, then have been putting forth some really questioning decisions in terms of competitive integrity this season, and I'm really starting to distrust whether their heart is in the right place here. I want the only major international competition to include the best teams in the world I would not have gotten to enjoy otherwise. I want that tournament to reward excellence, not having a lucky streak. I see the World Cup to see Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Iniesta, Robben, and Van Persie battle it out for their place in history. Of course I will root for my national side, but I'm mainly enjoying the festivities of experiencing the best players in the world play for their national colours (No, I don't complain about faceless Brazilian or Spanish footballers). Of course, the fact that the Champions League has essentially replaced the World Cup as the quintessential tournament to see who truly is the best player in the world has lifted the burden from the World Cup to capture all that magic, but as for Leauge of Legends, Season 3 World Championship is all we've got. The way things are structured right now is far from perfect, and various points needs to be addressed. It's should be our job as fans. And as fans we are allowed to acknowledge it's far from perfect, but we don't need to be so doom and gloom about it. Just because Riot isn't running things the way you want them to doesn't mean we have to call into question the integrity of their practices. They have been pretty straightforward with their goals regardless or whether or not you agree with them. Also the World Cup analogy doesn't even work since those teams are composed of the best players in a region, hell, that would be closer to All-stars if the teams all practiced with each other longer. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:00 Letmelose wrote: I think the reason why people are so sensitive about the brackets, and the way qualifications are structured is because this happens to be the only tournament left that all regions participate in. This is the only chance we get to see teams such as AHQ e-Sports Club, Royal Club, Positive Energy, Azubu Taipei Snipers, Cloud9, and Team Alternate get a chance to compete at the highest level, and Riot is not giving them a fair chance. I get the feeling that people are just okay with whatever the hell Riot does as long as there's a good show, because one of the Asian teams (because Asian teams are basically all the same to them) win in the end. We wouldn't be throwing such a hissy fit if there were more cross-regional competition, but Riot has pro-actively went against that direction, then have been putting forth some really questioning decisions in terms of competitive integrity this season, and I'm really starting to distrust whether their heart is in the right place here. I want the only major international competition to include the best teams in the world I would not have gotten to enjoy otherwise. I want that tournament to reward excellence, not having a lucky streak. I see the World Cup to see Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Iniesta, Robben, and Van Persie battle it out for their place in history. Of course I will root for my national side, but I'm mainly enjoying the festivities of experiencing the best players in the world play for their national colours (No, I don't complain about faceless Brazilian or Spanish footballers). Of course, the fact that the Champions League has essentially replaced the World Cup as the quintessential tournament to see who truly is the best player in the world has lifted the burden from the World Cup to capture all that magic, but as for Leauge of Legends, Season 3 World Championship is all we've got. The way things are structured right now is far from perfect, and various points needs to be addressed. It's should be our job as fans. Is your only complaint about worlds that CN and KR are only getting 2 base spots instead of 3? | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:19 Dan HH wrote: They released the team icons but I don't have a favorite team, what do? buy all the teams #esports | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:19 Dan HH wrote: They released the team icons but I don't have a favorite team, what do? Buy them all and switch every game! | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:18 thenexusp wrote: Is your only complaint about worlds that CN and KR are only getting 2 base spots instead of 3? Sense of Entitlement for 400, Alex. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:00 Letmelose wrote: I think the reason why people are so sensitive about the brackets, and the way qualifications are structured is because this happens to be the only tournament left that all regions participate in. This is the only chance we get to see teams such as AHQ e-Sports Club, Royal Club, Positive Energy, Azubu Taipei Snipers, Cloud9, and Team Alternate get a chance to compete at the highest level, and Riot is not giving them a fair chance. I get the feeling that people are just okay with whatever the hell Riot does as long as there's a good show, because one of the Asian teams (because Asian teams are basically all the same to them) win in the end. We wouldn't be throwing such a hissy fit if there were more cross-regional competition, but Riot has pro-actively went against that direction, then have been putting forth some really questioning decisions in terms of competitive integrity this season, and I'm really starting to distrust whether their heart is in the right place here. I want the only major international competition to include the best teams in the world I would not have gotten to enjoy otherwise. I want that tournament to reward excellence, not having a lucky streak. I see the World Cup to see Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Iniesta, Robben, and Van Persie battle it out for their place in history. Of course I will root for my national side, but I'm mainly enjoying the festivities of experiencing the best players in the world play for their national colours (No, I don't complain about faceless Brazilian or Spanish footballers). Of course, the fact that the Champions League has essentially replaced the World Cup as the quintessential tournament to see who truly is the best player in the world has lifted the burden from the World Cup to capture all that magic, but as for Leauge of Legends, Season 3 World Championship is all we've got. The way things are structured right now is far from perfect, and various points needs to be addressed. It's should be our job as fans. Leagues and tournaments are also about the stories that are created as they progress. The dark horse, the underdog, the favorite, and every team among them have their own stories to tell. I commend Riot for actually realizing that for eSports to take that next step, there has to be a narrative or three that everyone, even first-time watchers, can latch onto. I believe that such a narrative for the biggest tournament of the year can be best seen in a single-elimination bracket tournament, and I believe it will make this Season 3 WC, especially the playoff stages, very very compelling and exciting. Just think about the Season 2 WC. The narrative written by the end was that Taipei Assassins, a team almost everyone underrated and counted out, hoisted the Summoner's Cup by the end, overcoming all the teams who were supposed to beat them. THAT makes a tournament memorable. I want the potential to create such storylines to be as big as possible, and a double elimination bracket tournament just doesn't cut it. That being said, more KR/CN teams plz  | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On July 12 2013 03:46 canucks12 wrote: What? Let it slip by? Who's letting what slip by? It's their game, and I'm sure they have a financial plan. You're making a bold statement here and it doesn't really make much sense. There is no way that they will let their game be "degenerated into a total joke." I'm sure that they are doing what they feel is best and what fits their financial budget. Maybe bumping it up to 16 teams didn't seem worth the added cost of flights, accomodations, translators, etc. involved. Another point: With 3 NA, EU teams that are weaker than the 2KR, 2CH, etc teams, you'll probably have a higher viewer retention throughout the tournament. The KR and CH teams will likely eliminate the lesser teams and stay in the tournament longer. If there were more of them, it ups the chances of there being no NA/EU teams in the later stages of the tournament, leading to a loss of viewers from those regions. I'm talking about competitive integrity. If Riot cannot handle the finances, or is incapable of hosting a legitimate international tournament, perhaps they shouldn't have taken complete monopoly over it. I get that they are doing what they feel is best, I truly do, but shouldn't these points to discussed in detail, especially when we consider the fact that this is the only competition left where we get to see all the teams from the world? When else will you get the chance to see Uzi battle it out against players from other regions, whether or not Lantyr's Lee Sin is truly as great as the legends say, or if Godjj can hold his own versus other top class AD carries? Shouldn't everyone be given a fair chance? As for your second point, the I guess the question is whether you will watch Season 3 World Championship to experience the joy of seeing the best players in the world battle it out, or whether you just want your favourite teams do well in a prestigious tournament. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:21 Letmelose wrote: I'm talking about competitive integrity. If Riot cannot handle the finances, or is incapable of hosting a legitimate international tournament, perhaps they shouldn't have taken complete monopoly over it. I get that they are doing what they feel is best, I truly do, but shouldn't these points to discussed in detail, especially when we consider the fact that this is the only competition left where we get to see all the teams from the world? When else will you get the chance to see Uzi battle it out against players from other regions, whether or not Lantyr's Lee Sin is truly as great as the legends say, or if Godjj can hold his own versus other top class AD carries? Shouldn't everyone be given a fair chance? As for your second point, the I guess the question is whether you will watch Season 3 World Championship to experience the joy of seeing the best players in the world battle it out, or whether you just want your favourite teams do well in a prestigious tournament. So what constitutes a fair chance in your eyes? Equal number of slots from each region? You talk about all these amazing storylines you want to experience, but I don't think there is going to be any shortage of them once the tournament starts. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
As for your second point, the I guess the question is whether you will watch Season 3 World Championship to experience the joy of seeing the best players in the world battle it out, or whether you just want your favourite teams do well in a prestigious tournament. isn't the latter kinda the point of the regular season, we have reigon lock to ensure this is what you get, Worlds is bigboy time, I'm not saying NA/EU should not be invited but to have stronger representation over the favorite regions can not be a competitive decision. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:21 Diamond wrote: Just spent all my RP on team icons, I'm such a sucker for small stupid shit. At least some goes to the teams, but man I suck at not impulse buying. I snap bought the C9 logo. Will probably get an EU one later, probably Gambit though ATN has a nice logo... | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Yango would go broke all-ining on Royal all the time out of sheer fanboysim. Lets see who would declare bankruptcy first; Yango's love for Royal; or Neo's love for CLG. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I feel pretty good about this. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I would wish that you move away from the "competitive integrity" phrase when expressing your disdain for the tournament layout. The difference in entries is that NA/EU get 3 and the rest get 2. As our resident Korean fan, I can see why you're pissed that not all the regions have the same number of starting entries. There's an odd number of region for number of entries to make a bracket of the appropriate size for the playoffs. I don't think it comes as a surprise why Riot has given an extra entry each to NA and EU but that hardly disputes the fact that the best teams will make it through and eventually win Worlds. So what it comes down to it is that you're unhappy that other subsequent top tier teams don't get an opportunity to attend. But that goes back to the point that the best teams will make it, if you don't make the cutoff, then you weren't good enough. The ability of each region is relative, just because the 3rd entry of Korea is better than the 3rd entry of NA is moot. It is slightly unfair to the Asian regions but it hardly deems enough to call the entire tournament a shamble and facade because the starting entries wasn't equal. Also, if you have a better format that takes time and money into consideration, feel free to share. I personally think the format is fine and that the best team of Season 3 will win. Lastly, I've opened a new thread specifically for the Season 3 postseason stuff. So if everyone would slowly trickle over there for discussion, it'd be appreciated. | ||
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