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United States47024 Posts
On July 12 2013 02:33 Slusher wrote:
I just think it's funny but practically speaking, from a marketing prospective a chinese player isn't worth much, so you are right.
I actually disagree.
LoL is MOST entrenched in NA and EU, and LEAST entrenched in China. The game has been around long enough in NA/EU and has comparatively little competition. Having 1 less NA or EU team isn't going to affect viewership that significantly. By comparison there is actually a lot of marketing gain to be made in China because the game is younger there and has more direct competition.
There's more value in trying to sell the game harder in China than in NA/EU.
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On July 12 2013 03:13 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 02:21 Mauzel wrote:
Okay but if you're playing a hard engage comp (soloq favorite) that's basically what everyone is doing. (WRT waiting around to engage/ be engaged on)
I enjoy playing support.
Also lux support: zyra is all around better in that role. It might be a style thing, but I prefer Lux to Zyra and I'm much better with the former. I'd say Lux brings much more damage while Zyra is better at zone control. I have always felt fairly underwhelmed with Zyra as a support, and even as an AP mid, though I'd have to really grind games with her to figure out why I dislike her so much (and in the process I'd probably learn to like her, lol).
I used to play Zyra mid all the time. But then I sort of forgot about her for some reason.
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On July 12 2013 03:16 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 03:14 Sandster wrote:On July 12 2013 03:13 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 12 2013 02:21 Mauzel wrote:
Okay but if you're playing a hard engage comp (soloq favorite) that's basically what everyone is doing. (WRT waiting around to engage/ be engaged on)
I enjoy playing support.
Also lux support: zyra is all around better in that role. It might be a style thing, but I prefer Lux to Zyra and I'm much better with the former. If I had to make a brief analysis, I'd say Lux brings much more damage while Zyra is better at zone control. I have always felt fairly underwhelmed with Zyra as a support, and even as an AP mid, though I'd have to really grind games with her to figure out why I dislike her so much (and in the process I'd probably learn to like her, lol). Lux is like nidalee with a bind. She is bad past early lane phase without some serious AP. Zyra, on the other hand, has a root, slow, and her ult is amazing. Lux has a bind and a slow, her ult is also amazing.
You guys should play some more feederstick support.
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On July 12 2013 03:16 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 03:14 Sandster wrote:On July 12 2013 03:13 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 12 2013 02:21 Mauzel wrote:
Okay but if you're playing a hard engage comp (soloq favorite) that's basically what everyone is doing. (WRT waiting around to engage/ be engaged on)
I enjoy playing support.
Also lux support: zyra is all around better in that role. It might be a style thing, but I prefer Lux to Zyra and I'm much better with the former. If I had to make a brief analysis, I'd say Lux brings much more damage while Zyra is better at zone control. I have always felt fairly underwhelmed with Zyra as a support, and even as an AP mid, though I'd have to really grind games with her to figure out why I dislike her so much (and in the process I'd probably learn to like her, lol). Lux is like nidalee with a bind. She is bad past early lane phase without some serious AP. Zyra, on the other hand, has a root, slow, and her ult is amazing. Lux has a bind and a slow, her ult is also amazing.
Her ult is pure shit without AP, and provides 0 utility.
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United States47024 Posts
Also, I think Worlds should be 16 teams, not 12. 16 just creates less format problems and lets you invite more deserving teams from KR/CN.
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On July 12 2013 03:14 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 03:13 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 12 2013 02:21 Mauzel wrote:
Okay but if you're playing a hard engage comp (soloq favorite) that's basically what everyone is doing. (WRT waiting around to engage/ be engaged on)
I enjoy playing support.
Also lux support: zyra is all around better in that role. It might be a style thing, but I prefer Lux to Zyra and I'm much better with the former. If I had to make a brief analysis, I'd say Lux brings much more damage while Zyra is better at zone control. I have always felt fairly underwhelmed with Zyra as a support, and even as an AP mid, though I'd have to really grind games with her to figure out why I dislike her so much (and in the process I'd probably learn to like her, lol). Lux is like nidalee with a bind. She is bad past early lane phase without some serious AP. Zyra, on the other hand, has a root, slow, and her ult is amazing.
I disagree, lux has pretty massive damage on a short cooldown. I think that Zyra is better and more easy to fit into a teamcomp, but Lux's damage sails far past early lane.
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United States23745 Posts
On July 12 2013 03:19 TheYango wrote:
Also, I think Worlds should be 16 teams, not 12. 16 just creates less format problems and lets you invite more deserving teams from KR/CN.
The real best solution.
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Are they going to have a group stage like last year or NFL style playoffs?
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I, for one, am glad that the World Championship is single elimination. More cutthroat, more dramatic.
I just don't understand the hard-on that a lot of people have about double-elimination tournaments.
More games =/= better tournament.
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On July 12 2013 03:23 jpak wrote:
I, for one, am glad that the World Championship is single elimination. More cutthroat, more dramatic.
I just don't understand the hard-on that a lot of people have about double-elimination tournaments.
More games =/= better tournament.
I've always preferred single elim with some sort of group stage beforehand.
Double elimination has always felt silly to me. I hated it in fighting games.
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On July 12 2013 03:19 TheYango wrote:
Also, I think Worlds should be 16 teams, not 12. 16 just creates less format problems and lets you invite more deserving teams from KR/CN.
But it's 14 teams, which is the first number anyone thinks of when they ask "how many teams should we invite to a tournament"
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On July 12 2013 03:22 Don_Julio wrote:
Are they going to have a group stage like last year or NFL style playoffs?
two 5-team groups, two teams advance from each group. 4 teams (top teams from NA, KR, SEA, CN) are directly seeded into the single elimination bracket
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United States47024 Posts
On July 12 2013 03:23 jpak wrote:
I just don't understand the hard-on that a lot of people have about double-elimination tournaments.
More games =/= better tournament.
Double Elim increases the likelihood that your top few teams are the best teams by decreasing the chance of bracket screw. It's not about more games, it's that if you have one side of the bracket really stacked, it's possible for the finals to be really underwhelming if it's the best team vs. a far weaker team because the most likely contenders got eliminated earlier in the tournament.
This actually is a real problem for World's because the strength of teams actually is really skewed (regardless of who qualifies, there's going to be a clear gap in ability between the best few teams at the tournament and the worst). Unless Riot is artificially fixing the brackets (which is questionable in its own right), a bracket that puts most of the stronger teams on one side of the bracket could lead to a very anticlimactic 3-0 finals.
Single elim is appropriate for tournaments where the skill level between all contenders is somewhat close, and everyone has a chance against everyone else. This is, unfortunately, probably not going to be the case at Worlds.
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On July 12 2013 03:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 03:14 Sandster wrote:On July 12 2013 03:13 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 12 2013 02:21 Mauzel wrote:
Okay but if you're playing a hard engage comp (soloq favorite) that's basically what everyone is doing. (WRT waiting around to engage/ be engaged on)
I enjoy playing support.
Also lux support: zyra is all around better in that role. It might be a style thing, but I prefer Lux to Zyra and I'm much better with the former. If I had to make a brief analysis, I'd say Lux brings much more damage while Zyra is better at zone control. I have always felt fairly underwhelmed with Zyra as a support, and even as an AP mid, though I'd have to really grind games with her to figure out why I dislike her so much (and in the process I'd probably learn to like her, lol). Lux is like nidalee with a bind. She is bad past early lane phase without some serious AP. Zyra, on the other hand, has a root, slow, and her ult is amazing. I disagree, lux has pretty massive damage on a short cooldown. I think that Zyra is better and more easy to fit into a teamcomp, but Lux's damage sails far past early lane.
I don't even see how this is comparable. Neither Zyra nor Lux damage is that impressive without magic pen or AP, though both are passable. Zyra has similar damage, lower cds, free cdr from her kit, and an ult that is one of the best on a support in the game.
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mhm guys can anyone quickly (in 1 paragraph) enlighten me how the official lol tourney league is run? although im playing lol for the last 6 months im new the scene and i dont know much. I got confused with the summer splits and the playoffs etc.
I know there is an official league (LCS or something?) run by Riot and an OGN tournament (these are the only big tournaments afaik).
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Im not sure whether this it is against TL rules to post this here, if it is, just remove my post please.
We (my girlfriend and me) wrote a preview for tomorrows OGN matches, it would be nice if we could get some feedback 
The plan is to write those regularly, as I feel like there is a big lack of english content about the korean LoL scene.
link: http://esportsedge.com/?p=640
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Here are my thoughts on the slot allocations for the Season 3 World Championship.
1) The player base must be considered, especially since it will directly affect the viewership.
Nope. From what I've researched, there's actually very little evidence to allocate spots this way based on the player base numbers. The popularity of League of Legends is insanely high in numerous regions, and unless Riot deems certain regions more marketable than others, there's no reason to think numbers alone influenced these kind of decisions. For example, according to Riot, on average some two percent of the entire population of Taiwan is playing League of Legends at any given moment. There are multiple Chinese servers just to accomodate the thousands upon thousands of users, and I'm pretty sure the numbers are just as large, if not larger, than the numbers for either Europe or North America.
2) The results from numerous international tournaments, including last season's World Championship, and the All Stars Championship must have been considered.
This isn't true either, and I don't think I have to go in detail why the distribution of the spots has almost zero correlation of the competiveness of each of the regions.
3) It does not matter how the slots are allocated since the best team will still be able to win.
Actually, it matters a lot how the spots are allocated. Not only does increase a region's possibility to have a successful showing at the Season 3 World Championship from a pure statistical standpoint, it helps the regions in various other ways also. The number of slots available means extra funds going into these regions, the increase in opportunity for up and coming teams, and the likelihood of major sponsors sticking with famous teams due to their likelihood of keeping their place in the spot light. There are a plethora of consequences that follow the decision to structure the only major international tournament left (largely due to Riot's policies) this way.
4) It is fortunate that Korea got the third spot. So justice has still been served, in a way.
Wait, but what about the Taiwanese region? Aren't they the ones that won Season 2 World Championship? Weren't they the ones that were forced to mix in players from South East Asia despite the fact these two regions had separate routes of qualifying for the World Championship? How is it fair that even after the only representative from Taiwan managed to put forth amazing international peformances, that they get similar treatment to teams from South East Asia and Brazil? Where is the justice in that?
5) This is a world-wide tournament, so the idea of sacrificing competitive integrity for diversity is fine.
Wait, what can of diversity are we talking about though? Are we grouping Far East Asia as a whole? This is one of those vague topics that people bring up to justify decisions that favour a particular cause, but people rarely stick through with their convictions on diversity when it doesn't suit their cause. Either we set specific goals for increasing diversity in League of Legends competitions, or we don't bring it up just to defend random decisions made by Riot. Further more, the fact that some people are fine with the idea of teams missing out on the only major international competition left due to Riot's policies rather than their lack of skill, is a little disheartening to see.
6) It doesn't matter anyways, money is what makes the world go round, and what Riot does with their business should be left alone.
Exactly. Riot has monopoly over professional League of Legends, and seems to be much more interested in shiny venues, larger viewership, and creating hype over trying to host a legitimate world-wide tournament. There is nothing to suggest that Riot cares about competitive integrity, and if we keep letting stuff like this slip by, there's nothing to stop this entire thing being degenerated into a total joke.
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On July 12 2013 03:30 DarKFoRcE wrote:Im not sure whether this it is against TL rules to post this here, if it is, just remove my post please. We (my girlfriend and me) wrote a preview for tomorrows OGN matches, it would be nice if we could get some feedback The plan is to write those regularly, as I feel like there is a big lack of english content about the korean LoL scene. link: http://esportsedge.com/?p=640
just started reading it, 1 thing I must post now else im sure i will forget: post the odds in decimals, too. Its quite annoying having only american odds
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LOL @ those proposed Jayce PBE Changes. What are they thinking.
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On July 12 2013 03:17 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 03:16 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 12 2013 03:14 Sandster wrote:On July 12 2013 03:13 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 12 2013 02:21 Mauzel wrote:
Okay but if you're playing a hard engage comp (soloq favorite) that's basically what everyone is doing. (WRT waiting around to engage/ be engaged on)
I enjoy playing support.
Also lux support: zyra is all around better in that role. It might be a style thing, but I prefer Lux to Zyra and I'm much better with the former. If I had to make a brief analysis, I'd say Lux brings much more damage while Zyra is better at zone control. I have always felt fairly underwhelmed with Zyra as a support, and even as an AP mid, though I'd have to really grind games with her to figure out why I dislike her so much (and in the process I'd probably learn to like her, lol). Lux is like nidalee with a bind. She is bad past early lane phase without some serious AP. Zyra, on the other hand, has a root, slow, and her ult is amazing. Lux has a bind and a slow, her ult is also amazing. Her ult is pure shit without AP, and provides 0 utility.
Lux is just straight up not a support character.
Comparing Lux and Zyra, Zyra has far more utility. Zyra's snare is just better, and her ult is good AoE CC / counterinitiation and useful at 0 AP. Her plants scale off of levels and also provide utility through slows and blocking shots and scouting bushes etc.
Lux's ult is useless past early game without AP. Her snare is good but Zyra's is better. Her slow doesn't bring much as a slow and is probably levelled last as support so doesn't do any damage, and her shield is best with AP.
If you want to take Lux as a support, Zyra is just better at everything Lux is going to do.
Lux is just not going to be a support without some changes, she's an AP mid and pretty much nothing else.
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We should really split off the Season 3 discussion into a separate thread.
Neo plz
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