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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
In regards to entries for Worlds, each region is awarded the following:
The playoffs will be held at USC's Galen Center (site of last year's World Finals). The finals themselves will be held at Staples Center. Dates and times for the events are still TBA. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:37 JBright wrote: Please fly me to LA for the finals Neo. Best I can offer is maybe a ticket. :O | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
A 16 team tournament is easier to create a format for AND would give an additional slot to KR/CN. 16 teams, groupstage with 4 groups of 4, put the top qualifier from NA/KR/CN/SEA in separate groups, then either top 2 advance to single elim Ro8 OR put top 2 in WB, bottom 2 in LB for double elim bracket. Took me less than 2 minutes to create a more sensible tournament format. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:44 xMiragex wrote: Should edit OP to Korea - 2 entries + 1 entry from all-stars just cause. I mean the regulars (and regular lurkers :D) know but you never know... Should just edit 6 Western, 6 Eastern, 1 Allstar, 1 Wildcard so that people don't make big fuss about how NA and EU have more entries than KR, CN, SEA. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:50 canikizu wrote: Should just edit 6 Western, 6 Eastern, 1 Allstar, 1 Wildcard so that people don't make big fuss about how NA and EU have more entries, than KR, CN, SEA. Were that the case then it should be 2 NA, 2 EUW, 2 CIS/EUNE (to mirror 2 CN, 2 KR, 2 SEA), not 3 NA, 3 EU. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:48 TheYango wrote: Continuing on the discussion about # of slots, the biggest quip I have isn't necessarily that Korea and CN have less slots, but that in order to give them less slots, Riot deliberately chose a less sensible number of teams to have in the tournament. WTF is a 14 team tournament? A 16 team tournament is easier to create a format for AND would give an additional slot to KR/CN. 16 teams, groupstage with 4 groups of 4, put the top qualifier from NA/KR/CN/SEA in separate groups, then either top 2 advance to single elim Ro8 OR put top 2 in WB, bottom 2 in LB for double elim bracket. Took me less than 2 minutes to create a more sensible tournament format. 4 Teams gets a bye right? the 2 group of 5 makes group stages too punishing imo; I agree with tourney format being really wonky. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:48 TheYango wrote: Continuing on the discussion about # of slots, the biggest quip I have isn't necessarily that Korea and CN have less slots, but that in order to give them less slots, Riot deliberately chose a less sensible number of teams to have in the tournament. WTF is a 14 team tournament? A 16 team tournament is easier to create a format for AND would give an additional slot to KR/CN. 16 teams, groupstage with 4 groups of 4, put the top qualifier from NA/KR/CN/SEA in separate groups, then either top 2 advance to single elim Ro8 OR put top 2 in WB, bottom 2 in LB for double elim bracket. Took me less than 2 minutes to create a more sensible tournament format. Sense being made, I'll ask Riot about this. hue | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:40 canikizu wrote: Can't wait to see new figure stick spotlight. This is also what I am looking forward to the most >.< | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:52 TheYango wrote: Were that the case then it should be 2 NA, 2 EUW, 2 CIS/EUNE (to mirror 2 CN, 2 KR, 2 SEA), not 3 NA, 3 EU. It would make sense if EUW and CIS have 2 different LCS.... oh they don't. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
1) My response to onlywonderboy's post: The essence of my premise is still somewhat valid, I feel. Are you watching a global competition for the chance to see the best from the world (well, you can see in week-in-week-out during Champions League these days, but in the past, the World Cup was the only chance to see the best players from all over the world), or are you just in it to see how far your home team can make it? Whenever I see watch the World Cup, there's a clear divide between the fans, those that tune in for the joy of supporting Korea for a big occasion such as the World Cup, and those who watch it for what it is. The numbers will obviously be overwhelmingly in favour of those casual fans who watch to beat their drum, but we need to be very cautious to how much we cater towards those fans before the competition becomes more of a show. Sorry to be so pessemistic, but I can't seem to criticize Riot in a orderly manner. I feel like there needs to be the illusion that what we're seeing is legitimate, even if it is not. So what's fair? For one thing, I feel how Riot has dealt with the spot allocations for Taiwan is unfair. I don't think how the tournament has been structured is fair, and is way too bracket dependent for the only competition that has all regions participating in it. Even the regional qualifications is structured better than the main tournament itself in some cases, which is just ridiculous. The storyline, the hype, and the views for the actual tournament is going to be great regardless of what Riot does because of the paucity in cross-regional competitions. However, Riot is focusing too much on things being a good show, rather trying to ghost a legitimate global competition. Seriously, can you tell me with a straight face that the brackets, the seedings, and the qualifications are of the same calibre (in terms of competitive integrity, not production value) as some of the regional competitions? 2) My response to thenexusp's post: It's a multitude of things, and they have irked me for a while, as my post history probably shows. It's going to take forever to explain if my recent series of posts does not make any sense to you. 3) My response to jpak's post: Don't get me wrong, I'll still be watching every single moment I can watch of the Season 3 World Championship, but I feel there's a lot of issues that needs to be touched upon. 4) My response to NeoIllusions: I was always empathetic towards the Taiwanese region in my posts, even back when I was bitching about "competitive integrity" way back when the decisions for All Stars Championship. People seem to not catch on that vibe, especially with my usual biases being towards Korea, naturally. Korea has benefited immensely due to the general interest from the English speaking world, and the success the team had in All Stars Championship. However, the Taiwanese region has been screwed over by Riot, and that is the injustice, that I feel is upsetting me the most. Taiwanese teams have never gotten a chance. The sole representative of their region, Taipei Assassins could not have performed any better in Season 2 World Championship. Surely that must count for more than some random event in China? 5) My response to Dan HH: I'm not sure whether restructuring the tournament to be double-elimination would solve everything, but surely it cannot be denied that the way the brackets are structured makes way for really random results? I think even some of the smaller scale competitions held in various regions are designed better than Season 3 World Championship. And that is a disgrace when you consider the paucity in cross-regional competitions. | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 12 2013 05:06 SHr3DD3r wrote: Another classic Riot blunder with regard to the format. The spot distribution is stupid as well. Last year it was understandable to some degree. But again? You rather have arbitrary spot allocation based on how Riot feels about which region is better? lol; seriously people. You want them to hold qualifiers for these spots? Oh wait; that'd end up being the tournament. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 12 2013 04:57 canikizu wrote: It would make sense if EUW and CIS have 2 different LCS.... oh they don't. If we're doing it per LCS tournament then why do the Western LCS's get 1 more spot each than the Eastern ones? If we're doing it per region then why doesn't EUNE count as a different region when they have distinct teams/a different server? Either way, Riot's team split is inconsistent. And from all perspectives, NA is the region that benefited the most from this inconsistent logic. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Maybe next year Riot will change the format. I don't think there'd be anything wrong with doubling the size of the tournament next year if League keeps growing. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On July 12 2013 05:09 wei2coolman wrote: You rather have arbitrary spot allocation based on how Riot feels about which region is better? lol; seriously people. You want them to hold qualifiers for these spots? Oh wait; that'd end up being the tournament. It is already arbitrary. Plus, we should place Riot's decision on a higher plane of judgement, since they are directly influencing the only major cross-regional compeititon. How can anybody tell me with a straight face that Riot's decisions coming into this tournament was impeccable? Shouldn't we discuss these things in detail so that it doesn't happen again next time round? | ||
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