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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 27 2013 21:19 GMT
#6021
On July 28 2013 05:40 jaybrundage wrote:
im curious atmogs why not

Not slot efficient enough. Awkward build up power curve. Useless crit stat. Botrk is popular, so warmogs first can be some what punished.

Pretty much you can build sunfire cape and botrk and get more done in those 2 slots.
liftlift > tsm
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 27 2013 21:34 GMT
#6022
On July 28 2013 04:59 vvSiegvv wrote:
This talk about spectating and plays reminds me of the old brood war series called Pimpest Plays. Wish we still had that for Lol/Dota, that series was always pretty sick.

I downloaded all the pimpest plays once and watched one at least once a day. They were that good. The sparsity of videos made them so much sweeter.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 21:55:28
July 27 2013 21:54 GMT
#6023
On July 28 2013 05:21 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 05:13 Amethyst21 wrote:
On July 28 2013 05:01 canikizu wrote:
On July 28 2013 04:55 Amethyst21 wrote:
On July 28 2013 04:36 PrinceXizor wrote:
I will say if anyone here wanted to watch the international but has a hard time telling what is going on, i can set up a skype group that can watch together and you can ask questions and get answers. :D


It's funny because I think 'The Play' at TI2 is my favourite e-sports moment ever, but I probably couldn't describe in detail exactly how and why Na'vi turned that fight around. Link to youtube of said play

A good spectator e-sport should be like that - specifics aren't important but someone who is seeing the game for the first time *should* be able to tell you the general facts of what is going on.

Did you watch it live? becuz I think the commentors at that time explained it pretty clearly. It's pretty straight forward.


The explanation that I understand is that iG basically had it in the bag but failed to account for the BKB on Na'vi. So it was actually probably better to think that it was an epic turnaround by Na'vi :p.

Also good to note is that the tidehunter ravage (the mass aoe stun with tentacles) was mistimed as well as the BKB should never have gone off. though thats mostly due to a bug where knockups are handled differently in dota 2 compared to dota 1.

There were no bug, Tide's ravage has cast time, and its tentacle has travel time, BKB has no cast time, you can literally spam the button to get it off. It's very hard for Tide to time it right because if he stays far from the battle, he has to time his tentacle right, and if he stays next to Enigma he risks grouping 3 allies together. Saying Tide mistimed his ravage is a such a lazy way to put the situation.

The only one that play good in that fight was Dendi, but even him got lucky because normally after casting ravage, Tide has to cast 3rd skill so that his ravage will not be stolen by Rubick, and then again, Tide's 3rd skill has cast time, while Rubick's spell steal doesn't. Dendi forcestaffed out too far and barely make it in range to steal the Tide's ravage.


PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 27 2013 21:57 GMT
#6024
On July 28 2013 06:54 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 05:21 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 28 2013 05:13 Amethyst21 wrote:
On July 28 2013 05:01 canikizu wrote:
On July 28 2013 04:55 Amethyst21 wrote:
On July 28 2013 04:36 PrinceXizor wrote:
I will say if anyone here wanted to watch the international but has a hard time telling what is going on, i can set up a skype group that can watch together and you can ask questions and get answers. :D


It's funny because I think 'The Play' at TI2 is my favourite e-sports moment ever, but I probably couldn't describe in detail exactly how and why Na'vi turned that fight around. Link to youtube of said play

A good spectator e-sport should be like that - specifics aren't important but someone who is seeing the game for the first time *should* be able to tell you the general facts of what is going on.

Did you watch it live? becuz I think the commentors at that time explained it pretty clearly. It's pretty straight forward.


The explanation that I understand is that iG basically had it in the bag but failed to account for the BKB on Na'vi. So it was actually probably better to think that it was an epic turnaround by Na'vi :p.

Also good to note is that the tidehunter ravage (the mass aoe stun with tentacles) was mistimed as well as the BKB should never have gone off. though thats mostly due to a bug where knockups are handled differently in dota 2 compared to dota 1.

There were no bug, Tide's ravage has cast time, and its tentacle has travel time, BKB has no cast time, you can literally spam the button to get it off. It's very hard for Tide to time it right because if he stays far from the battle, he has to time his tentacle right, and if he stays next to Enigma he risks grouping 3 allies together. Saying Tide mistimed his ravage is a such a lazy way to put the situation.

The only one that play good in that fight was Dendi, but even him got lucky because normally after casting ravage, Tide has to cast 3rd skill so that his ravage will not be stolen by Rubick, and then again, Tide's 3rd skill has cast time, while Rubick's spell steal doesn't. Dendi forcestaffed out too far and barely make it in range to steal the Tide's ravage.



IN dota 1 you can knock up people who are invulnerable due to sleep. which makes them auto stunned if they come down after the song ends. literally preventing BKB from ever being used. thats the bug i'm talking about.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 27 2013 22:01 GMT
#6025
Also, every time I read BKB I think its Bul Kathos' Blade, which was a crappy D2 set item.
Freeeeeeedom
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 22:11:09
July 27 2013 22:08 GMT
#6026
On July 28 2013 06:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 06:54 canikizu wrote:
On July 28 2013 05:21 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 28 2013 05:13 Amethyst21 wrote:
On July 28 2013 05:01 canikizu wrote:
On July 28 2013 04:55 Amethyst21 wrote:
On July 28 2013 04:36 PrinceXizor wrote:
I will say if anyone here wanted to watch the international but has a hard time telling what is going on, i can set up a skype group that can watch together and you can ask questions and get answers. :D


It's funny because I think 'The Play' at TI2 is my favourite e-sports moment ever, but I probably couldn't describe in detail exactly how and why Na'vi turned that fight around. Link to youtube of said play

A good spectator e-sport should be like that - specifics aren't important but someone who is seeing the game for the first time *should* be able to tell you the general facts of what is going on.

Did you watch it live? becuz I think the commentors at that time explained it pretty clearly. It's pretty straight forward.


The explanation that I understand is that iG basically had it in the bag but failed to account for the BKB on Na'vi. So it was actually probably better to think that it was an epic turnaround by Na'vi :p.

Also good to note is that the tidehunter ravage (the mass aoe stun with tentacles) was mistimed as well as the BKB should never have gone off. though thats mostly due to a bug where knockups are handled differently in dota 2 compared to dota 1.

There were no bug, Tide's ravage has cast time, and its tentacle has travel time, BKB has no cast time, you can literally spam the button to get it off. It's very hard for Tide to time it right because if he stays far from the battle, he has to time his tentacle right, and if he stays next to Enigma he risks grouping 3 allies together. Saying Tide mistimed his ravage is a such a lazy way to put the situation.

The only one that play good in that fight was Dendi, but even him got lucky because normally after casting ravage, Tide has to cast 3rd skill so that his ravage will not be stolen by Rubick, and then again, Tide's 3rd skill has cast time, while Rubick's spell steal doesn't. Dendi forcestaffed out too far and barely make it in range to steal the Tide's ravage.



IN dota 1 you can knock up people who are invulnerable due to sleep. which makes them auto stunned if they come down after the song ends. literally preventing BKB from ever being used. thats the bug i'm talking about.

I remember something like that in dota1, not sure if it's Tide's ravage though. But even so, it's not what happened. Tide clearly used ravage after the sleep was over, you can see the creepwave start moving and Jugg's spin before ravage was casted.


Anyway, this is something we are gonna have a hard time to understand if watching it live. You can only throughout understand the battle after rewatching it. It goes for both LoL and Dota2.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 27 2013 22:12 GMT
#6027
On July 28 2013 07:01 cLutZ wrote:
Also, every time I read BKB I think its Bul Kathos' Blade, which was a crappy D2 set item.

better than anything I've ever gotten
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 27 2013 22:27 GMT
#6028
On July 28 2013 07:12 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 07:01 cLutZ wrote:
Also, every time I read BKB I think its Bul Kathos' Blade, which was a crappy D2 set item.

better than anything I've ever gotten


For real man?
Freeeeeeedom
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 27 2013 22:30 GMT
#6029
First Running at Dusk starts at 4 PM.

Read thread OP for rules, etc. Hope to see some of you there.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
July 27 2013 22:32 GMT
#6030
The world runs on Pacific time after all. HUE.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 27 2013 22:33 GMT
#6031
I'm going to an LCS viewing party on Friday! Apparently they have swags there :3
It's your boy Guzma!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 27 2013 22:37 GMT
#6032
On July 28 2013 07:27 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 07:12 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 28 2013 07:01 cLutZ wrote:
Also, every time I read BKB I think its Bul Kathos' Blade, which was a crappy D2 set item.

better than anything I've ever gotten


For real man?

I played single player, so yeah.

Unless the random rare junk (not elite) you get at level 50 is better than that.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 27 2013 22:47 GMT
#6033
On July 28 2013 07:33 Requizen wrote:
I'm going to an LCS viewing party on Friday! Apparently they have swags there :3

(They lie to you, it's a kidnapping setup)
Glorious SEA doto
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
July 27 2013 23:08 GMT
#6034
On July 28 2013 06:19 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 05:40 jaybrundage wrote:
im curious atmogs why not

Not slot efficient enough. Awkward build up power curve. Useless crit stat. Botrk is popular, so warmogs first can be some what punished.

Pretty much you can build sunfire cape and botrk and get more done in those 2 slots.



Most champions who will sit on atmogs, will actually get AD equal to a BF sword from the atma's passive. Still thrash though.
hi
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
July 27 2013 23:10 GMT
#6035
lol Doublelift is stomping a 4v5 on his new smurf (currently gold I think) and just based with 6.3k gold
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 27 2013 23:10 GMT
#6036
crit being a deadweight stat its almost for the cost of a bf sword and nobody builds bf swords on champs who get warmogs anyway so yeah
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 27 2013 23:22 GMT
#6037
On July 28 2013 08:10 AsnSensation wrote:
lol Doublelift is stomping a 4v5 on his new smurf (currently gold I think) and just based with 6.3k gold

That's why I think most claims of "uncarry-able" games is bullshit
liftlift > tsm
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
July 27 2013 23:26 GMT
#6038
On July 28 2013 08:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 08:10 AsnSensation wrote:
lol Doublelift is stomping a 4v5 on his new smurf (currently gold I think) and just based with 6.3k gold

That's why I think most claims of "uncarry-able" games is bullshit

he's usually duoing with chau... 2 pro level players communicating with each other is not the same as a bunch of soloq players trying to carry. also, they're gold lol.
BW -> League -> CSGO
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 27 2013 23:28 GMT
#6039
On July 28 2013 08:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 08:10 AsnSensation wrote:
lol Doublelift is stomping a 4v5 on his new smurf (currently gold I think) and just based with 6.3k gold

That's why I think most claims of "uncarry-able" games is bullshit

Eh.. Its not thats its bullshit. many games are uncarry-able within reason. you have to be vastly better than the players around you to carry some games. Assuming any given person can play as well as double lift and using that as an argument that anyone can win every game is dumb.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 27 2013 23:29 GMT
#6040
On July 28 2013 08:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 08:10 AsnSensation wrote:
lol Doublelift is stomping a 4v5 on his new smurf (currently gold I think) and just based with 6.3k gold

That's why I think most claims of "uncarry-able" games is bullshit

I've seen plenty of pro players on smurfs lose games because of teammates.
It's your boy Guzma!
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