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United States47024 Posts
On July 11 2013 05:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Am I a bad person for thinking that the Yi-make might be pretty neat-o?
No, but you're a bad person for calling it a Yi-make.
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On July 11 2013 05:15 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD."
By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite??
-___- It's also the same logic that led people to completely miss the fact that E>W Nasus pre-Wither nerf actually had really strong midgame teamfighting and play almost exclusively the Q-max farming game. Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 05:08 arb wrote:
well if he gets items and farm he's a kinda retarded champion to be fair.
100% lifesteal es numero uno He still needs a teamcomp that can let him stand next to things and hit them.
He just needs a team that will Stick Around.
:x
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shyvana's 2% max hp is better than old level 5 E at 2k hp (but odes less damage) HOWEVER its better at 1 point now especially vs jungle minions
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On July 11 2013 05:17 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 05:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Am I a bad person for thinking that the Yi-make might be pretty neat-o? No, but you're a bad person for calling it a Yi-make.
This is indisputably incorrect.
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On July 11 2013 05:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Am I a bad person for thinking that the Yi-make might be pretty neat-o?
AP Yi is stupid, so change is welcome.
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On July 11 2013 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:On July 11 2013 04:27 sob3k wrote:On July 11 2013 04:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 11 2013 03:51 sob3k wrote:On July 11 2013 03:27 Kenpark wrote:On July 11 2013 02:58 Sandster wrote:On July 11 2013 02:51 Kenpark wrote:On July 11 2013 02:33 Sandster wrote:
Xerath rework still coming.
Lissandra only if you are comfortable engaging for your team. I don't play her so I won't speak to her matchups. She is probably your best bet of the 3 though.
Ahri is pretty safe, but she's not a "sit in your lane" type of champion. She does wraiths/wolves really slowly, blows a lot of mana to clear waves, and requires you to be mobile. She also has really bad matchups in Ryze and Kass (both of whom you'll see frequently in solo queue), and if you pick her early expect to see Dianas (which is REALLY hard for her).
None of these 3 will compare to the true lane farmers, like Karthus/Anivia/Lux/TF/Jayce Ok thx for the heads up. So I guess none of them fits my style then. Hmm Karthus I really hate his q mechanic, Anivia not even Froggen can make work atm, TF is prob too hard for me (we are talking about a silver 2 player here), Jayce just got nerfed hard from what I can figure and Lux I play now and then, but I would really like sth with more impact in tfs. So who else is there besides Ori, who I love to play, that can just sit in mid and farm and have great late game and teamfight potential ? Only Ryce left that also gets competitive playtime ? I wouldn't play Orianna in Silver 2. I did for a bit when I was Silver 2 and it didn't work well, partly b/c of my mechanical skill and mostly because the team simply doesn't utilize Shockwave well, and her own damage is fairly lackluster. I have played TF a lot from Silver 1 to Gold 3 (where I am now), and put in probably 30-40 games overall between practice/normals/ranked. The first 5 games or so are all focused on locking cards correctly, but eventually you get to a point where you know "red yellow blue" and don't really have to focus on it much. But his teamfight is nowhere near, say, a Xerath, and again teams at this level sometimes doesn't use TF's ult very well later on in the game. (Lost a lot of games with early leads) Honestly I wouldn't look at competitive teams to see what works for you. Ryze is definitely one of the strongest mids, but you can farm on everyone with range. Vlad is extremely good at farming past the early levels and an absolute monster later on, for example. Zyra, Cho, Gragas, Kayle, Rumble, Viktor, and Ziggs are also possibilities with great waveclear and teamfight potential. And then there's always Morde... EDIT: Syndra! How could I forget Syndra. But she's definitely not easy to play. EDIT2: You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters. Hmm Syndra ye how could I forget her too being the dedicated Bjergsen fanboy that I am. Also she is a lane bully and probably 90% of silver mids have never played vs her. That sounds like a good plan. On the matter of being hard to play. I found that be very subjective. People always said how easy and free elo Kha is and I never could make him work for me, while I have really decent success on Ori for example. I think I may look into some Syndra and Vlad guides and go from there. Thx for all the input mates !!! Sit mid and farm into a god? Veigar fits that description. Also very easy to do on Cass, but she is quite hard to play. Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :< On July 11 2013 04:00 Flakes wrote:On July 11 2013 02:58 Sandster wrote:
You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters. Agree 100% with Gragas and Cho. For Vlad, I think Fizz qualifies as a hard counter with his dive/gapclosing pwer, strong DoT that ticks through pool, and high-uptime heal reduction. Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them... Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad. 1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion. I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD." By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite?? -___-
Once upon a time, infinite AP Veigar could (theoretically) 1-shot anyone, even infinite health Sion, with a DFG.
Ahuehue.
That being said, Veigar's just too single-target damage focused for an AP mid. Bad early clear means that enemy lane will push and roam, and late game his burst is predominantly single-target (unless you can hit multiple people with a W).
His stun is also difficult to hit (because of its hit-circle), though it's a gdlk duration.
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The lack of scaling on Shyvana's E kind of pisses me off. It has also lost its utility since only Shyvana can proc the damage now. Shyvana's not going to be attacking tanky targets in team fights so it seems kind of like it's missing the point.
Secondly, additional fury might be nice, but she still doesn't recover her ult after being dead for 50-60 sec, unlike pretty much every other champion. She still seems like she'll still have issues with having the ult up late game.
I don't know, I haven't tried the changes yet. Maybe it's better than it looks on paper.
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On July 11 2013 05:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Am I a bad person for thinking that the Yi-make might be pretty neat-o?
It's single handedly making me want to play Yi, too bad he's still going to suck for the most part.
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I've been playing a lot of sc2 lately, and I'd like to get back into the swing of things with league. If I were to primarily play mid, between Ryze, Malz, Ziggs, which of these three champions would be my best bet in the current meta?
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On July 11 2013 05:35 smOOthMayDie wrote:
I've been playing a lot of sc2 lately, and I'd like to get back into the swing of things with league. If I were to primarily play mid, between Ryze, Malz, Ziggs, which of these three champions would be my best bet in the current meta?
Ryze 110%.
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everything they announced about the yi-make makes sense to me. ap yi is too safe, comparatively easy to play (dont mind that much) and at the same time he is very weak and useless when his team is behind and too afraid to die in teamfights. these changes look like they shift his builds more towards bruiser since he scales better with autoattacking and surviving a bit.
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On July 11 2013 05:35 smOOthMayDie wrote:
I've been playing a lot of sc2 lately, and I'd like to get back into the swing of things with league. If I were to primarily play mid, between Ryze, Malz, Ziggs, which of these three champions would be my best bet in the current meta?
Malz has been out of meta since the beginning of S2 prob.
Ziggs hasn't ever really been a popular mid pick.
Ryze is a monster atm, and a very popular mid pick.
tl;dr: Play Veigar. Or, since it's TL, Viktor.
+ Show Spoiler +jk play Ryze. Seraphs+RoA
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Is this patch still mad borked? Hearing all kinds of crash, lag, etc issues and don't want to play until it's fixed.
I was officially the saddest panda ever this morning. Wake up expecting to go rush and play the new Dragon Bitch, and she's fucked up. Fully stacked tear for me right there.
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On July 11 2013 05:46 Diamond wrote:
Is this patch still mad borked? Hearing all kinds of crash, lag, etc issues and don't want to play until it's fixed.
I was officially the saddest panda ever this morning. Wake up expecting to go rush and play the new Dragon Bitch, and she's fucked up. Fully stacked tear for me right there.
i feel like if they release spirit guard udyr the servers will work.
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Gamecrib TSM is such a good drama
Regi making Xpecial his bitch lol
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worst part of league of legends is people hopping on the drama dick every time it pops up
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6-1 Nami; riding this tidal wave all the way up to challengers.
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On July 11 2013 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:On July 11 2013 04:27 sob3k wrote:On July 11 2013 04:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 11 2013 03:51 sob3k wrote:On July 11 2013 03:27 Kenpark wrote:On July 11 2013 02:58 Sandster wrote:On July 11 2013 02:51 Kenpark wrote:On July 11 2013 02:33 Sandster wrote:
Xerath rework still coming.
Lissandra only if you are comfortable engaging for your team. I don't play her so I won't speak to her matchups. She is probably your best bet of the 3 though.
Ahri is pretty safe, but she's not a "sit in your lane" type of champion. She does wraiths/wolves really slowly, blows a lot of mana to clear waves, and requires you to be mobile. She also has really bad matchups in Ryze and Kass (both of whom you'll see frequently in solo queue), and if you pick her early expect to see Dianas (which is REALLY hard for her).
None of these 3 will compare to the true lane farmers, like Karthus/Anivia/Lux/TF/Jayce Ok thx for the heads up. So I guess none of them fits my style then. Hmm Karthus I really hate his q mechanic, Anivia not even Froggen can make work atm, TF is prob too hard for me (we are talking about a silver 2 player here), Jayce just got nerfed hard from what I can figure and Lux I play now and then, but I would really like sth with more impact in tfs. So who else is there besides Ori, who I love to play, that can just sit in mid and farm and have great late game and teamfight potential ? Only Ryce left that also gets competitive playtime ? I wouldn't play Orianna in Silver 2. I did for a bit when I was Silver 2 and it didn't work well, partly b/c of my mechanical skill and mostly because the team simply doesn't utilize Shockwave well, and her own damage is fairly lackluster. I have played TF a lot from Silver 1 to Gold 3 (where I am now), and put in probably 30-40 games overall between practice/normals/ranked. The first 5 games or so are all focused on locking cards correctly, but eventually you get to a point where you know "red yellow blue" and don't really have to focus on it much. But his teamfight is nowhere near, say, a Xerath, and again teams at this level sometimes doesn't use TF's ult very well later on in the game. (Lost a lot of games with early leads) Honestly I wouldn't look at competitive teams to see what works for you. Ryze is definitely one of the strongest mids, but you can farm on everyone with range. Vlad is extremely good at farming past the early levels and an absolute monster later on, for example. Zyra, Cho, Gragas, Kayle, Rumble, Viktor, and Ziggs are also possibilities with great waveclear and teamfight potential. And then there's always Morde... EDIT: Syndra! How could I forget Syndra. But she's definitely not easy to play. EDIT2: You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters. Hmm Syndra ye how could I forget her too being the dedicated Bjergsen fanboy that I am. Also she is a lane bully and probably 90% of silver mids have never played vs her. That sounds like a good plan. On the matter of being hard to play. I found that be very subjective. People always said how easy and free elo Kha is and I never could make him work for me, while I have really decent success on Ori for example. I think I may look into some Syndra and Vlad guides and go from there. Thx for all the input mates !!! Sit mid and farm into a god? Veigar fits that description. Also very easy to do on Cass, but she is quite hard to play. Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :< On July 11 2013 04:00 Flakes wrote:On July 11 2013 02:58 Sandster wrote:
You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters. Agree 100% with Gragas and Cho. For Vlad, I think Fizz qualifies as a hard counter with his dive/gapclosing pwer, strong DoT that ticks through pool, and high-uptime heal reduction. Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them... Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad. 1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion. I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD." By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite?? -___-
Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
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On July 11 2013 05:51 UniversalSnip wrote:
worst part of league of legends is people hopping on the drama dick every time it pops up
Starcraft 2 community ain't any better
It's not that bad, life would be boring without drama
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On July 11 2013 05:54 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 11 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:On July 11 2013 04:27 sob3k wrote:On July 11 2013 04:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 11 2013 03:51 sob3k wrote:On July 11 2013 03:27 Kenpark wrote:On July 11 2013 02:58 Sandster wrote:On July 11 2013 02:51 Kenpark wrote:On July 11 2013 02:33 Sandster wrote:
Xerath rework still coming.
Lissandra only if you are comfortable engaging for your team. I don't play her so I won't speak to her matchups. She is probably your best bet of the 3 though.
Ahri is pretty safe, but she's not a "sit in your lane" type of champion. She does wraiths/wolves really slowly, blows a lot of mana to clear waves, and requires you to be mobile. She also has really bad matchups in Ryze and Kass (both of whom you'll see frequently in solo queue), and if you pick her early expect to see Dianas (which is REALLY hard for her).
None of these 3 will compare to the true lane farmers, like Karthus/Anivia/Lux/TF/Jayce Ok thx for the heads up. So I guess none of them fits my style then. Hmm Karthus I really hate his q mechanic, Anivia not even Froggen can make work atm, TF is prob too hard for me (we are talking about a silver 2 player here), Jayce just got nerfed hard from what I can figure and Lux I play now and then, but I would really like sth with more impact in tfs. So who else is there besides Ori, who I love to play, that can just sit in mid and farm and have great late game and teamfight potential ? Only Ryce left that also gets competitive playtime ? I wouldn't play Orianna in Silver 2. I did for a bit when I was Silver 2 and it didn't work well, partly b/c of my mechanical skill and mostly because the team simply doesn't utilize Shockwave well, and her own damage is fairly lackluster. I have played TF a lot from Silver 1 to Gold 3 (where I am now), and put in probably 30-40 games overall between practice/normals/ranked. The first 5 games or so are all focused on locking cards correctly, but eventually you get to a point where you know "red yellow blue" and don't really have to focus on it much. But his teamfight is nowhere near, say, a Xerath, and again teams at this level sometimes doesn't use TF's ult very well later on in the game. (Lost a lot of games with early leads) Honestly I wouldn't look at competitive teams to see what works for you. Ryze is definitely one of the strongest mids, but you can farm on everyone with range. Vlad is extremely good at farming past the early levels and an absolute monster later on, for example. Zyra, Cho, Gragas, Kayle, Rumble, Viktor, and Ziggs are also possibilities with great waveclear and teamfight potential. And then there's always Morde... EDIT: Syndra! How could I forget Syndra. But she's definitely not easy to play. EDIT2: You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters. Hmm Syndra ye how could I forget her too being the dedicated Bjergsen fanboy that I am. Also she is a lane bully and probably 90% of silver mids have never played vs her. That sounds like a good plan. On the matter of being hard to play. I found that be very subjective. People always said how easy and free elo Kha is and I never could make him work for me, while I have really decent success on Ori for example. I think I may look into some Syndra and Vlad guides and go from there. Thx for all the input mates !!! Sit mid and farm into a god? Veigar fits that description. Also very easy to do on Cass, but she is quite hard to play. Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :< On July 11 2013 04:00 Flakes wrote:On July 11 2013 02:58 Sandster wrote:
You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters. Agree 100% with Gragas and Cho. For Vlad, I think Fizz qualifies as a hard counter with his dive/gapclosing pwer, strong DoT that ticks through pool, and high-uptime heal reduction. Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them... Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad. 1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion. I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD." By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite?? -___- Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
Yeah I'm not convinced you've played more than 10 games of Veigar.
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