What we talking about with Veigar? I love that dude, even own every skin but 1 of his. Was my 2nd champ I played after Annie, played an asston with him.
Ok thx for the heads up. So I guess none of them fits my style then. Hmm Karthus I really hate his q mechanic, Anivia not even Froggen can make work atm, TF is prob too hard for me (we are talking about a silver 2 player here), Jayce just got nerfed hard from what I can figure and Lux I play now and then, but I would really like sth with more impact in tfs.
So who else is there besides Ori, who I love to play, that can just sit in mid and farm and have great late game and teamfight potential ? Only Ryce left that also gets competitive playtime ?
I wouldn't play Orianna in Silver 2. I did for a bit when I was Silver 2 and it didn't work well, partly b/c of my mechanical skill and mostly because the team simply doesn't utilize Shockwave well, and her own damage is fairly lackluster.
I have played TF a lot from Silver 1 to Gold 3 (where I am now), and put in probably 30-40 games overall between practice/normals/ranked. The first 5 games or so are all focused on locking cards correctly, but eventually you get to a point where you know "red yellow blue" and don't really have to focus on it much. But his teamfight is nowhere near, say, a Xerath, and again teams at this level sometimes doesn't use TF's ult very well later on in the game. (Lost a lot of games with early leads)
Honestly I wouldn't look at competitive teams to see what works for you. Ryze is definitely one of the strongest mids, but you can farm on everyone with range. Vlad is extremely good at farming past the early levels and an absolute monster later on, for example. Zyra, Cho, Gragas, Kayle, Rumble, Viktor, and Ziggs are also possibilities with great waveclear and teamfight potential. And then there's always Morde...
EDIT: Syndra! How could I forget Syndra. But she's definitely not easy to play.
EDIT2: You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters.
Hmm Syndra ye how could I forget her too being the dedicated Bjergsen fanboy that I am. Also she is a lane bully and probably 90% of silver mids have never played vs her. That sounds like a good plan. On the matter of being hard to play. I found that be very subjective. People always said how easy and free elo Kha is and I never could make him work for me, while I have really decent success on Ori for example. I think I may look into some Syndra and Vlad guides and go from there. Thx for all the input mates !!!
Sit mid and farm into a god?
Veigar fits that description. Also very easy to do on Cass, but she is quite hard to play.
Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :<
On July 11 2013 04:00 Flakes wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:58 Sandster wrote: You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters.
Agree 100% with Gragas and Cho. For Vlad, I think Fizz qualifies as a hard counter with his dive/gapclosing pwer, strong DoT that ticks through pool, and high-uptime heal reduction.
Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them...
Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad.
1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion.
I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD."
By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite??
-___-
Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
Yeah I'm not convinced you've played more than 10 games of Veigar.
He's essentially an assassin with aoe stun; what's not good about that?
On July 11 2013 06:00 Diamond wrote: What we talking about with Veigar? I love that dude, even own every skin but 1 of his. Was my 2nd champ I played after Annie, played an asston with him.
My greatest regret is that I can't get Curling Veigar.
I wouldn't play Orianna in Silver 2. I did for a bit when I was Silver 2 and it didn't work well, partly b/c of my mechanical skill and mostly because the team simply doesn't utilize Shockwave well, and her own damage is fairly lackluster.
I have played TF a lot from Silver 1 to Gold 3 (where I am now), and put in probably 30-40 games overall between practice/normals/ranked. The first 5 games or so are all focused on locking cards correctly, but eventually you get to a point where you know "red yellow blue" and don't really have to focus on it much. But his teamfight is nowhere near, say, a Xerath, and again teams at this level sometimes doesn't use TF's ult very well later on in the game. (Lost a lot of games with early leads)
Honestly I wouldn't look at competitive teams to see what works for you. Ryze is definitely one of the strongest mids, but you can farm on everyone with range. Vlad is extremely good at farming past the early levels and an absolute monster later on, for example. Zyra, Cho, Gragas, Kayle, Rumble, Viktor, and Ziggs are also possibilities with great waveclear and teamfight potential. And then there's always Morde...
EDIT: Syndra! How could I forget Syndra. But she's definitely not easy to play.
EDIT2: You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters.
Hmm Syndra ye how could I forget her too being the dedicated Bjergsen fanboy that I am. Also she is a lane bully and probably 90% of silver mids have never played vs her. That sounds like a good plan. On the matter of being hard to play. I found that be very subjective. People always said how easy and free elo Kha is and I never could make him work for me, while I have really decent success on Ori for example. I think I may look into some Syndra and Vlad guides and go from there. Thx for all the input mates !!!
Sit mid and farm into a god?
Veigar fits that description. Also very easy to do on Cass, but she is quite hard to play.
Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :<
On July 11 2013 04:00 Flakes wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:58 Sandster wrote: You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters.
Agree 100% with Gragas and Cho. For Vlad, I think Fizz qualifies as a hard counter with his dive/gapclosing pwer, strong DoT that ticks through pool, and high-uptime heal reduction.
Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them...
Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad.
1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion.
I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD."
By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite??
-___-
Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
Yeah I'm not convinced you've played more than 10 games of Veigar.
He's essentially an assassin with aoe stun; what's not good about that?
He's made of paper and QSS is a giant fuck you. Late game he's only good if the enemy is bad, because there is zero chance you can safely assassinate anyone of importance without getting blown up before you can even unload your spells. Your team can try to create space for you in team fights, but that consumes valuable resources that would be better spent on other things and there's no reason to play Veigar when a million other people do things better.
Veigar is not a good late game champion at all. He's an extremely strong mid game champion, and a terrible late game champion. It's always been this way, but people are too blinded by assumptions to realize this fact.
I wouldn't play Orianna in Silver 2. I did for a bit when I was Silver 2 and it didn't work well, partly b/c of my mechanical skill and mostly because the team simply doesn't utilize Shockwave well, and her own damage is fairly lackluster.
I have played TF a lot from Silver 1 to Gold 3 (where I am now), and put in probably 30-40 games overall between practice/normals/ranked. The first 5 games or so are all focused on locking cards correctly, but eventually you get to a point where you know "red yellow blue" and don't really have to focus on it much. But his teamfight is nowhere near, say, a Xerath, and again teams at this level sometimes doesn't use TF's ult very well later on in the game. (Lost a lot of games with early leads)
Honestly I wouldn't look at competitive teams to see what works for you. Ryze is definitely one of the strongest mids, but you can farm on everyone with range. Vlad is extremely good at farming past the early levels and an absolute monster later on, for example. Zyra, Cho, Gragas, Kayle, Rumble, Viktor, and Ziggs are also possibilities with great waveclear and teamfight potential. And then there's always Morde...
EDIT: Syndra! How could I forget Syndra. But she's definitely not easy to play.
EDIT2: You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters.
Hmm Syndra ye how could I forget her too being the dedicated Bjergsen fanboy that I am. Also she is a lane bully and probably 90% of silver mids have never played vs her. That sounds like a good plan. On the matter of being hard to play. I found that be very subjective. People always said how easy and free elo Kha is and I never could make him work for me, while I have really decent success on Ori for example. I think I may look into some Syndra and Vlad guides and go from there. Thx for all the input mates !!!
Sit mid and farm into a god?
Veigar fits that description. Also very easy to do on Cass, but she is quite hard to play.
Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :<
On July 11 2013 04:00 Flakes wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:58 Sandster wrote: You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters.
Agree 100% with Gragas and Cho. For Vlad, I think Fizz qualifies as a hard counter with his dive/gapclosing pwer, strong DoT that ticks through pool, and high-uptime heal reduction.
Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them...
Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad.
1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion.
I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD."
By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite??
-___-
Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
Yeah I'm not convinced you've played more than 10 games of Veigar.
He's essentially an assassin with aoe stun; what's not good about that?
Ya It's basically a better amumu ult on a 16sec cd, real underrated ability imo
Hmm Syndra ye how could I forget her too being the dedicated Bjergsen fanboy that I am. Also she is a lane bully and probably 90% of silver mids have never played vs her. That sounds like a good plan. On the matter of being hard to play. I found that be very subjective. People always said how easy and free elo Kha is and I never could make him work for me, while I have really decent success on Ori for example. I think I may look into some Syndra and Vlad guides and go from there. Thx for all the input mates !!!
Sit mid and farm into a god?
Veigar fits that description. Also very easy to do on Cass, but she is quite hard to play.
Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :<
On July 11 2013 04:00 Flakes wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:58 Sandster wrote: You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters.
Agree 100% with Gragas and Cho. For Vlad, I think Fizz qualifies as a hard counter with his dive/gapclosing pwer, strong DoT that ticks through pool, and high-uptime heal reduction.
Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them...
Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad.
1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion.
I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD."
By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite??
-___-
Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
Yeah I'm not convinced you've played more than 10 games of Veigar.
He's essentially an assassin with aoe stun; what's not good about that?
Ya It's basically a better amumu ult on a 16sec cd, real underrated ability imo
TIL Amumu ult only hits people along the edge of the circle.
I hate it whenever Veigar comes up because I've explained pretty much everything there is to explain about Veigar infinite times but no one ever listens and keep regurgitating the same bullshit about infinite scaling when that's like not at all relevant.
On July 11 2013 06:00 Diamond wrote: What we talking about with Veigar? I love that dude, even own every skin but 1 of his. Was my 2nd champ I played after Annie, played an asston with him.
My greatest regret is that I can't get Curling Veigar.
Hmm Syndra ye how could I forget her too being the dedicated Bjergsen fanboy that I am. Also she is a lane bully and probably 90% of silver mids have never played vs her. That sounds like a good plan. On the matter of being hard to play. I found that be very subjective. People always said how easy and free elo Kha is and I never could make him work for me, while I have really decent success on Ori for example. I think I may look into some Syndra and Vlad guides and go from there. Thx for all the input mates !!!
Sit mid and farm into a god?
Veigar fits that description. Also very easy to do on Cass, but she is quite hard to play.
Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :<
On July 11 2013 04:00 Flakes wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:58 Sandster wrote: You said "safe early pick". Vlad, Gragas, Cho, and to some extent Zyra/Rumble fit this category, because they aren't dead giveaways that you're going mid with them. The first 3 also don't have any hard counters.
Agree 100% with Gragas and Cho. For Vlad, I think Fizz qualifies as a hard counter with his dive/gapclosing pwer, strong DoT that ticks through pool, and high-uptime heal reduction.
Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them...
Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad.
1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion.
I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD."
By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite??
-___-
Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
Yeah I'm not convinced you've played more than 10 games of Veigar.
He's essentially an assassin with aoe stun; what's not good about that?
He's made of paper and QSS is a giant fuck you. Late game he's only good if the enemy is bad, because there is zero chance you can safely assassinate anyone of importance without getting blown up before you can even unload your spells. Your team can try to create space for you in team fights, but that consumes valuable resources that would be better spent on other things and there's no reason to play Veigar when a million other people do things better.
Veigar is not a good late game champion at all. He's an extremely strong mid game champion, and a terrible late game champion. It's always been this way, but people are too blinded by assumptions to realize this fact.
Wut; are you really complaining about QSS when playing veigar? I'd take that E exchange cooldown for their QSS cooldown 100% of the time.
On July 11 2013 06:07 gtrsrs wrote: how many times has veigar been picked in LCS, just out of curiousity? has jacky played him at all? i know he plays him in scrims somewhat regularly
0, as expected.
edit: maybe i'm wrong, leaguepedia informs me he was picked once in spring split and won. trying to find what game this is.
Oh yea, Veigar sucks. He's got LB syndrome, he can blow one person up well, but after he basically just runs around. His stun is shit too since anyone that knows Veigar will just predict it and run around in it, or just flash the wall.
However when you DO catch someone and get ur combo, sooooo satisfying. I feel like this every time
Thing with Veigar is he is always awesome on paper, but his laning is so bad you never get that "on paper" effect. He's always behind, and if they go all AD you are so useless.
Still love the little dude, but he's got some issues.
On July 11 2013 06:00 Diamond wrote: What we talking about with Veigar? I love that dude, even own every skin but 1 of his. Was my 2nd champ I played after Annie, played an asston with him.
My greatest regret is that I can't get Curling Veigar.
On July 11 2013 06:01 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 11 2013 05:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On July 11 2013 05:54 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 11 2013 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On July 11 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 11 2013 04:27 sob3k wrote:
On July 11 2013 04:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On July 11 2013 03:51 sob3k wrote: [quote]
Sit mid and farm into a god?
Veigar fits that description. Also very easy to do on Cass, but she is quite hard to play.
Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :<
On July 11 2013 04:00 Flakes wrote: [quote] Agree 100% with Gragas and Cho. For Vlad, I think Fizz qualifies as a hard counter with his dive/gapclosing pwer, strong DoT that ticks through pool, and high-uptime heal reduction.
Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them...
Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad.
1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion.
I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD."
By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite??
-___-
Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
Yeah I'm not convinced you've played more than 10 games of Veigar.
He's essentially an assassin with aoe stun; what's not good about that?
He's made of paper and QSS is a giant fuck you. Late game he's only good if the enemy is bad, because there is zero chance you can safely assassinate anyone of importance without getting blown up before you can even unload your spells. Your team can try to create space for you in team fights, but that consumes valuable resources that would be better spent on other things and there's no reason to play Veigar when a million other people do things better.
Veigar is not a good late game champion at all. He's an extremely strong mid game champion, and a terrible late game champion. It's always been this way, but people are too blinded by assumptions to realize this fact.
Wut; are you really complaining about QSS when playing veigar? I'd take that E exchange cooldown for their QSS cooldown 100% of the time.
Like, this is what I mean. You just theorycraft random shit in a vacuum without ever having played the champion and think you're on to something. If you don't understand why QSS destroys Veigar there's no point saying anything else.
(Also I've explained all of these things ad nauseum already, but hey that's TL GD for you, only the dumb troll shit gets remembered none of the actual useful stuff)
On July 11 2013 06:07 gtrsrs wrote: how many times has veigar been picked in LCS, just out of curiousity? has jacky played him at all? i know he plays him in scrims somewhat regularly
0, as expected.
That's because in LCS when teams are pushing their advantage very aggressively you can't afford to pick such a lategame champion as Veigar.
Veigar fits that description. Also very easy to do on Cass, but she is quite hard to play.
Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :<
On July 11 2013 04:00 Flakes wrote: [quote] Agree 100% with Gragas and Cho. For Vlad, I think Fizz qualifies as a hard counter with his dive/gapclosing pwer, strong DoT that ticks through pool, and high-uptime heal reduction.
Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them...
Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad.
1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion.
I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD."
By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite??
-___-
Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
Yeah I'm not convinced you've played more than 10 games of Veigar.
He's essentially an assassin with aoe stun; what's not good about that?
Ya It's basically a better amumu ult on a 16sec cd, real underrated ability imo
TIL Amumu ult only hits people along the edge of the circle.
I hate it whenever Veigar comes up because I've explained pretty much everything there is to explain about Veigar infinite times but no one ever listens and keep regurgitating the same bullshit about infinite scaling when that's like not at all relevant.
No one is saying infinite scaling is what makes his late game good though; We're saying he can blow people up cuz his REGULAR scaling is insane.
On July 11 2013 06:00 Diamond wrote: What we talking about with Veigar? I love that dude, even own every skin but 1 of his. Was my 2nd champ I played after Annie, played an asston with him.
My greatest regret is that I can't get Curling Veigar.
On July 11 2013 06:01 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 11 2013 05:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On July 11 2013 05:54 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 11 2013 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On July 11 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 11 2013 04:27 sob3k wrote:
On July 11 2013 04:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: [quote]
Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :<
[quote]
Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them...
Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad.
1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion.
I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD."
By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite??
-___-
Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
Yeah I'm not convinced you've played more than 10 games of Veigar.
He's essentially an assassin with aoe stun; what's not good about that?
He's made of paper and QSS is a giant fuck you. Late game he's only good if the enemy is bad, because there is zero chance you can safely assassinate anyone of importance without getting blown up before you can even unload your spells. Your team can try to create space for you in team fights, but that consumes valuable resources that would be better spent on other things and there's no reason to play Veigar when a million other people do things better.
Veigar is not a good late game champion at all. He's an extremely strong mid game champion, and a terrible late game champion. It's always been this way, but people are too blinded by assumptions to realize this fact.
Wut; are you really complaining about QSS when playing veigar? I'd take that E exchange cooldown for their QSS cooldown 100% of the time.
Like, this is what I mean. You just theorycraft random shit in a vacuum without ever having played the champion and think you're on to something. If you don't understand why QSS destroys Veigar there's no point saying anything else.
(Also I've explained all of these things ad nauseum already, but hey that's TL GD for you, only the dumb troll shit gets remembered none of the actual useful stuff)
On July 11 2013 06:07 gtrsrs wrote: how many times has veigar been picked in LCS, just out of curiousity? has jacky played him at all? i know he plays him in scrims somewhat regularly
0, as expected.
That's because in LCS when teams are pushing their advantage very aggressively you can't afford to pick such a lategame champion as Veigar.
That's only part of the reason.
My point is that Veigar's late game isn't actually good contrary to popular belief. Veigar is weak in lane, very good early mid game, monstrous mid game, and just starts declining again down to late game when he's irrelevant.
No one believes me though. They think Veigar gets stronger as the game goes on, when it's really he builds up, peaks, then falls back down.
On July 11 2013 04:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: [quote]
Veigar is a shit late game champ, he is not a "farm into a god" champion at all :<
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Vlad has a lot of hard counters. Like a lot. Fizz, however, is not actually one of them...
Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad.
1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion.
I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD."
By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite??
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Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
Yeah I'm not convinced you've played more than 10 games of Veigar.
He's essentially an assassin with aoe stun; what's not good about that?
Ya It's basically a better amumu ult on a 16sec cd, real underrated ability imo
TIL Amumu ult only hits people along the edge of the circle.
I hate it whenever Veigar comes up because I've explained pretty much everything there is to explain about Veigar infinite times but no one ever listens and keep regurgitating the same bullshit about infinite scaling when that's like not at all relevant.
No one is saying infinite scaling is what makes his late game good though; We're saying he can blow people up cuz his REGULAR scaling is insane.
On July 11 2013 06:00 Diamond wrote: What we talking about with Veigar? I love that dude, even own every skin but 1 of his. Was my 2nd champ I played after Annie, played an asston with him.
My greatest regret is that I can't get Curling Veigar.
On July 11 2013 06:01 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 11 2013 05:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On July 11 2013 05:54 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 11 2013 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On July 11 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 11 2013 04:27 sob3k wrote: [quote]
Veigar is most def not shit lategame. He certainly has to fit your composition, but his stun is one of the most powerful teamfighting skills in the game, and infinite scaling on obscene burst damage is never bad.
1 shotting tanks in a rotation = bad late game; wut am I reading. 5-6 item vieg should be able 1 shot ANY champion.
I hate reading posts like this because it's obvious no one here actually plays Veigar and just assumes what Veigar can and cannot do based on...idk it's not even based on bad theorycraft it's just based on nothing besides some vague reputation of "VEIGAR BURST ANYONE WITH INFINITE AP VEIGAR GOOD."
By that same logic Sion is a monster late game cause INFINITE HEALTH so you will NEVER DIE amirite??
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Because AOE stun; an Ulti that scales off enemy AP; and your own AP. Not to mention AoE nuke with 1.0 AP ratio; is not good scaling? The only reason he's problematic is getting to late game; similar problem with Poppy; Endgame is not his issue; getting there is. If you want to complain about champion; complain about the right things.
Yeah I'm not convinced you've played more than 10 games of Veigar.
He's essentially an assassin with aoe stun; what's not good about that?
He's made of paper and QSS is a giant fuck you. Late game he's only good if the enemy is bad, because there is zero chance you can safely assassinate anyone of importance without getting blown up before you can even unload your spells. Your team can try to create space for you in team fights, but that consumes valuable resources that would be better spent on other things and there's no reason to play Veigar when a million other people do things better.
Veigar is not a good late game champion at all. He's an extremely strong mid game champion, and a terrible late game champion. It's always been this way, but people are too blinded by assumptions to realize this fact.
Wut; are you really complaining about QSS when playing veigar? I'd take that E exchange cooldown for their QSS cooldown 100% of the time.
Like, this is what I mean. You just theorycraft random shit in a vacuum without ever having played the champion and think you're on to something. If you don't understand why QSS destroys Veigar there's no point saying anything else.
(Also I've explained all of these things ad nauseum already, but hey that's TL GD for you, only the dumb troll shit gets remembered none of the actual useful stuff)
inb4 when nien is brought up.
Almost any late game AP carry can blow shit up. Just most of them can do more than that. Veigar blows his load then needs a nap. I can just pick Diana or Kat and still do that followed by blowing more people up and doing lots of useful things.
On July 11 2013 06:07 gtrsrs wrote: how many times has veigar been picked in LCS, just out of curiousity? has jacky played him at all? i know he plays him in scrims somewhat regularly
0, as expected.
That's because in LCS when teams are pushing their advantage very aggressively you can't afford to pick such a lategame champion as Veigar.
That's only part of the reason.
My point is that Veigar's late game isn't actually good contrary to popular belief. Veigar is weak in lane, very good early mid game, monstrous mid game, and just starts declining again down to late game when he's irrelevant.
No one believes me though. They think Veigar gets stronger as the game goes on, when it's really he builds up, peaks, then falls back down.
i could draw you a graph of veigars damage as the game goes on to prove that he's a lategame champ
On July 11 2013 06:07 gtrsrs wrote: how many times has veigar been picked in LCS, just out of curiousity? has jacky played him at all? i know he plays him in scrims somewhat regularly
0, as expected.
That's because in LCS when teams are pushing their advantage very aggressively you can't afford to pick such a lategame champion as Veigar.
That's only part of the reason.
My point is that Veigar's late game isn't actually good contrary to popular belief. Veigar is weak in lane, very good early mid game, monstrous mid game, and just starts declining again down to late game when he's irrelevant.
No one believes me though. They think Veigar gets stronger as the game goes on, when it's really he builds up, peaks, then falls back down.
I would just expect that CDR-Gar is the way to go, and if your team is strong enough you abuse Cage to get free barons/dragons/ free turret shots for your ADC.
Unfortunately this all sounds like something where you need to be ahead to abuse, and hes not good at getting ahead.
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