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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On July 10 2013 23:37 nafta wrote: At any elo it matters.I mean if you see a champ running 30 armor you can guess he isn't going mid vs your ap  .There are some elo levels where you don't know that  | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
just played a game where I got an average amout of kills (7) and extra gold earned was 700, pretty nice but I miss the dot cause sometimes 1 spinning axe takes a creep to like 5 hp and usually you could rely on your passiv to finish it off, but I missed quite a lot of sloppy cs because of that. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I've seen a bunch of AD run AS glyphs too, only gives 5-6% AS but they'll sit on 30 MR for the whole laning phase (or even game) so I know I can go all-out on them as Leona as soon as possible compared to their support with defensive masteries and flat MR runes for example, can make me take less wards in favour of pots and stuff to play more aggressively. Edit: when they have ambiguous lanes too, yeah. | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
But to each his own. Be funny if LCS teams were using lolnexus during games. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 10 2013 23:43 Vanka wrote: There was this one game where I crushed this twitch incredibly hard in bot lane as trist, and I didn't realize until the next game that it was because I had run my magic pen page by accident. Best Tristana build : flat AP in masteries, AP/MPen page, doran's ring/2 pots opening. Always win all-in never not win all-in. Then build AD as usual. | ||
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FR4CT4L
Australia697 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 10 2013 23:45 mr_tolkien wrote: Best Tristana build : flat AP in masteries, AP/MPen page, doran's ring/2 pots opening. Always win all-in never not win all-in. Then build AD as usual. It's the reverse Kennen. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
-mid running 25 flat AP runes (9 times out of 10 they'll also start Doran Ring) -whether certain champs (junglers, TF, Ryze) are running MS quints -whether their support is running gp5 quints, and how aggressive/squishy they're spec'd/runed -certain masteries are a big sign for how players play the champ, e.g. 21/9 vs 9/21 jungle Lee or 9/0/21 vs 21/0/9 TF A lot of this stuff you'll see just by clicking on the champion in lane, but this saves you some time. All of these, especially masteries and certain rune choices, affect your lane. Trades bot lane are very different if the other AD is 21/0/9 and support gp5 quints 0/9/21 compared to AD 21/9 and support with AD reds HP quints 1/13/16, for example. You should always check opponents' level 1 MS, AD/AP, armor, MR, items, and masteries. If their stats are lower than normal you can assume some combination of regen/penetration runes (now you lolnexus). | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
I totally coined that after seeing Dan Dinh do it on Master Yi Hopefully it will still work on him after the remake, Xypherous says they are still experimenting with his AP ratios (and which abilities to put them on) edit: Xypherous's post: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=38880015#38880015 this dude is my favorite designer at Riot -- always analyzes changes from every possible angle | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
wat edit: nevermind the spells dont actually crit but it says it does. weird. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 10 2013 23:49 Sandster wrote: Knowing runes/masteries is huge though. Most times people run standard stuff, which is nice to know, but there are always things you want to check at the start of a game: -mid running 25 flat AP runes (9 times out of 10 they'll also start Doran Ring) -whether certain champs (junglers, TF, Ryze) are running MS quints -whether their support is running gp5 quints, and how aggressive/squishy they're spec'd/runed -certain masteries are a big sign for how players play the champ, e.g. 21/9 vs 9/21 jungle Lee or 9/0/21 vs 21/0/9 TF A lot of this stuff you'll see just by clicking on the champion in lane, but this saves you some time. All of these, especially masteries and certain rune choices, affect your lane. Trades bot lane are very different if the other AD is 21/0/9 and support gp5 quints 0/9/21 compared to AD 21/9 and support with AD reds HP quints 1/13/16, for example. You should always check opponents' level 1 MS, AD/AP, armor, MR, items, and masteries. If their stats are lower than normal you can assume some combination of regen/penetration runes (now you lolnexus). I just don't see how any of that really matters at any play except top level. There are just too big holes in peoples play to exploit that the tiny advantages you can gain by knowing this information is almost irrelevant. That's my view at least. It's trying to squeeze out the tiny advantages when you can focus on the much bigger ones and get a larger reward. | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On July 10 2013 23:59 Flakes wrote: I totally coined that after seeing Dan Dinh do it on Master Yi Hopefully it will still work on him after the remake, Xypherous says they are still experimenting with his AP ratios (and which abilities to put them on) You beat me to citing you :O On June 22 2012 04:54. Flakes wrote: Yi should've done the "reverse Kennen build" of 2drings --> AD bruiser http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342361¤tpage=134#2676 Also: On June 29 2012 01:26 mordek wrote: I'm interested in trying the "reverse kennen" build mentioned in GD. 2 drings then AD carry items. Anyone have any experience with this? :D | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:04 Numy wrote: I just don't see how any of that really matters at any play except top level. There are just too big holes in peoples play to exploit that the tiny advantages you can gain by knowing this information is almost irrelevant. That's my view at least. It's trying to squeeze out the tiny advantages when you can focus on the much bigger ones and get a larger reward. Till the day you assume that guy is running ArPen since he has little bonus AD and you hit a crit during your first trade. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:32 Alaric wrote: Till the day you assume that guy is running ArPen since he has little bonus AD and you hit a crit during your first trade. I sometimes run AD/lvl reds on Corki since his rockets and passive don't scale with arpen -- at level 1 it just looks like I'm only running AD quints | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:32 Alaric wrote: Till the day you assume that guy is running ArPen since he has little bonus AD and you hit a crit during your first trade. So what. You have the whole game to outplay and win. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:04 Numy wrote: I just don't see how any of that really matters at any play except top level. There are just too big holes in peoples play to exploit that the tiny advantages you can gain by knowing this information is almost irrelevant. That's my view at least. It's trying to squeeze out the tiny advantages when you can focus on the much bigger ones and get a larger reward. I don't follow...what's NOT good about knowing this? Knowing you can't outrun their TF/Ryze is a huge deal, as is knowing when someone is running a setup specifically set to all-in you pre-6 in lane. Most of the time this stuff doesn't matter (I mean, just about every AD runes the same setup with minor changes) but sometimes it does. What other "big picture" advantages with bigger rewards are you thinking of, that's not how to properly lane against your opponent in the first 5min of the game? I'm only Gold but I still think about these things, and runes/masteries definitely affect lane trades and all-in potential. I guess your point was that you should focus on playing better, which I agree with 100%, but I'm saying that lolnexus gives you a free look at what to prepare for in a lane, before the game even starts. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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