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On July 10 2013 22:15 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 21:43 Alaric wrote:On July 10 2013 21:23 obesechicken13 wrote:
What options do you have when playing Lucian? Q isn't a skillshot: you target somebody (570 range), Lucian fires a piercing shot along the trajectory (1100), lets you snipe people from farther away, play on positioning, etc. W is a skillshot marking enemies hit, popping a mark gives a flat MS buff. Depending on the animations you can use it on nearby minions to get a MS buff and run away/catch up to a running enemy, you can also mark him and another nearby, non-fleeing target, pop the mark on that one, use the MS buff to catch up to your initial target, pop his mark, and avoid being kited/compensate for escape abilities this way. E is a dash similar to Graves' in range (and probably behaviour regarding walls) which cleanses slows from you. Keep it to escape? Use it to initiate a trade by getting in aa range and triggering your passive? Do I get to this Cait and take the free harass, or do I try to force her Net and use E to catch up and cleanse the slow so I can keep fighting since I beat her at short range? R makes you point a direction (relative to your champ, picture it like a clock around him and he always fire to the same hour, it doesn't target a point on the ground like people believe) and rapid-fire shots (which stop at the first enemy, linear skillshot style) alongside it for 3 seconds. It's a channeled ability, but you can still move and use E without breaking the channel. If it kills an enemy champion, your E cooldown is refreshed. Do you try to use it at the start of a fight for the strong burst? Do you keep it until everyone is low and there aren't minions/pets around to block shots, using ER to get in a squishy's face and bust it before Eing from target to target as they try to run? Do you use it against strong divers so you can damage them while running, without the risks of stutter-stepping? Just because Jayce is an asshole with a kit riddled with broken numbers and sporting almost everything in the game doesn't mean people with less versatility don't have choice and opportunity costs in their kits. Lucian seems pretty reliant on positioning overall (stay in range to use Q and trigger your passive, don't get too close or your ult is easy to dodge by jumping behind your back, use W marks for jukes and kiting, etc.) which in itself creates a bunch of little choices. Lol, sorry to rain a bit on your information parade 1. Q is a line targeted skillshot, works similar to xerath Q 2. W marks are not consumed then you proc them, you can proc them for speed multiple times until they expire
1. Nope. 
2. Either the wiki was updated or I misread it at the time. Totally my bad then—doesn't take away from what I said (for example hitting the minion wave + fleeing opponent, shooting a minion to catch up with opponent, then shooting him) but it actually makes him pretty good at chasing or even kiting, woah. 10s cd which can be dropped to 6, and the marks last 6s, there's potential for it to be as strong as Sivir's passive in terms of kiting.
Edit: and it works with abilities too? Damn, I definitely misread it then, and it's so strong. o_o Mobility galore on him, even without a dash. That's pretty interesting actually, makes for a change (a bit like Vayne's focus on Tumble and passive).
Also I just noticed I didn't thank Zenon for going here and posting with us. Manner me. :<
Since not that much time passed since you casting and stuff, is Lucian the first champion you worked on?
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1. Is a targeted shot. It just goes past the target. Alaric is 100% on da ball.
As for 2. The marks don't get used up. Which makes ulting a fleeing target super fun.
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It does feel kind of funny to have a champ who is so focused on kiting with every part of his kit, and then his ult is like "wow, you must be tired from all that clicking", and specifically allows him to kite without actually stutter stepping or using any mechanics.
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Rammus isn't that bad honestly. He's a lot of fun, and the trick is to YOLO and ignore wards when you gank in soloQ. Zoomzoom and be surprised at how bad some people's map awareness is.
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Also, make your predictions here: Will Lucian get pro play in his current state? Why or why not?
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On July 10 2013 22:36 sob3k wrote:
Also, make your predictions here: Will Lucian get pro play in his current state? Why or why not?
You realize he's not even finished, right ?
And every hero gets pro play at some point or another.
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Has anybody played / played against a Jayce yet since the patch? How's he looking?
Also Shyvana? Leblanc?
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If Weaver sees play in Dota 2, Weaver will see play in League of Legends. The passive is simply soooo strong, If you get the passive off of all abilities (does his passive have an ICD? Or do I get it off EVERY ability?) he'll be insane. I wouldn't be surprised to see people throwing abilities just to get the passive to proc more for more free damage.
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On July 10 2013 21:14 Alaric wrote:Ooh, I didn't notice the scaling ratio on his Q. Afaik only Garen, Trundle and formerly Pantheon have/had that. Is there a particular reason for using them (or why we don't see them more)? I have trouble getting the goal of a scaling total AD ratio instead of a bonus AD ratio when it comes to limiting earlygame power. And still curious/obsessed over that star shape. ^ iirc Zenon said it was a shape "never seen before" so I'm assuming the hitbox is a star.
Udyr has a scaling AD ratio on his Q. You can be forgiven, however, as it was only recently changed to be that way.
Shyvana's Q, however, is as old as the champion herself, and for that you must pay the penalty. You also missed Darius' W, Draven's Q, Jayce's Cannon W, Kayle's E, Kennen's W, Thresh's E Passive, and Vayne's Q.
I'll give you a pass on Riven's passive.
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I just wish I was better at ADC so I could truly get hyped about Lucian lol.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
"@dscarra: Also I accidentally picked karma in a solo q game. I swear she's even worse than I originally thought."
Defend your honor TL Karma hipsters!
Edit: Damn Alaric. You got fuckin' toasted.
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Seriously when are they gonna fucking shut down lolnexus? I'm getting fed up, with all the comments about my rating, whenever i do poorly in normals. Also people seem to lower their morale when they see that the enemy team is gold+ and they're only silvers. Am i the only one thinking this way?
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I'd argue that most of those don't have flat base damage (an important component of balancing out the power curve of a skill alongside the choice of total/bonus AD ratio) or are basically an autoattack dealing a % of is normal damage rather than a "true" spell, but then there's Kayle who's effectively closer to the ones I mentioned.
Drat, I've been had.  What's the penalty then?
@Jon: it's 'k, it's Monte. We call that "educated".
Regarding Lolnexus, you could technically already look at somebody's rune and mastery pages through LoLking, which would let you know what they're using as well, you'd just be gated by the slowest loading time and your own connection to look at everybody.
Knowing who's premade is the part I like the most about it because it helps me know if I should look out for camps (esp. if the jungler is premade with a solo laner and noone else).
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On July 10 2013 22:57 Sponkz wrote:
Seriously when are they gonna fucking shut down lolnexus? I'm getting fed up, with all the comments about my rating, whenever i do poorly in normals. Also people seem to lower their morale when they see that the enemy team is gold+ and they're only silvers. Am i the only one thinking this way?
I think it's really really helpful, to the point of feeling almost like cheating, being able to look at my opposing laners runes/masteries during the loading screen.
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On July 10 2013 22:15 DanielZKlein wrote:
BAM. Smashed the gizmo! :D
I <3 TL. It's a very special community, and while it can sometimes be short bus special, it's usually full of clueful people who ask good questions. I'm sure I fucked up in making Lucian, and I'm sure you guys will be the first to call me on it.
My first memory of you were the Nunu bot cameos.
h4h4h4h4h4h4h4h4h4
Honestly, I don't see any glaring problems with his kit at present, and I think he's actually a fairly interesting design, both mechanically and as an ADC. At first glance, he appears fairly well-balanced (unlike some of the designs [see: Jayce] that have been put out), and number tweaks will be all that's necessary if he's really out of line (his ulti, most likely).
On July 10 2013 22:36 sob3k wrote:
Also, make your predictions here: Will Lucian get pro play in his current state? Why or why not?
550 range alone gives him a good shot, as he doesn't appear to have any glaring weaknesses that prevent him from doing so (see: Corki's mana costs pre-patch).
As a whole, he doesn't have any utility, looks like he'll kite well, and will probably have decent lane presence with Q poke (hard to say how 2v2 lane matchups will turn out except for edge cases until there's some mass testing on live servers, given the combinations).
0 mana cost on his lvl5 dash will be amusing, but given leveling it only provides him mobility and a modest +.5AD damage buff on next AA, is understandable and probably fair.
The state and use of his ulti will probably make or break him in competitive play, tbh. I'll probably run some basic damage calculations for it to get a grasp of it's damage potential, but that's my thought of it. He'd still be pretty safe as an ADC without it (at least, as safe as a 550 ADC can be barring Blue Ezreal), what with his W+E kiting potential and potentially strong mobility, but lacking real utility, which he'll need to make up for in (upfront) damage.
At least, that's my initial thoughts on him.
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On July 10 2013 23:01 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:57 Sponkz wrote:
Seriously when are they gonna fucking shut down lolnexus? I'm getting fed up, with all the comments about my rating, whenever i do poorly in normals. Also people seem to lower their morale when they see that the enemy team is gold+ and they're only silvers. Am i the only one thinking this way? I think it's really really helpful, to the point of feeling almost like cheating, being able to look at my opposing laners runes/masteries during the loading screen.
That's also another thing. You can't hide anything pre-game because you can just look it up.
Every normal game goes something like this:
Enemy: "oh diamond, gg" *starts to troll at some point*
Ally (when i die or something similar): "omg you fucking noob, how did u get diamond?"
I know i shouldn't let it get to me, but it happens in 9 out of 10 games, and i can't fucking enjoy normals anymore. Fuck this shit.
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On July 10 2013 22:53 JonGalt wrote:
"@dscarra: Also I accidentally picked karma in a solo q game. I swear she's even worse than I originally thought."
Defend your honor TL Karma hipsters!
His build (Rabadon/Void/Archangel) makes me cringe so hard...
He just has no idea how to play Karma, no pitchforks needed. I'll just laugh pretty hard when he'll get smacked by one.
EDIT : on this LoLNexus thing... I just think masteries/runes should be DIRECTLY shown to your opponent, in client/load screen. Ffs they're not designed to cheese, they're designed to be able to spec into your gamestyle.
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That's some pretty classic progamer logic. Accidentally get a champ you don't know how to play or even put thought into -> Do badly -> Publically state how bad the champ is.
Explains the complete lack of innovation
edit: What ELO are you guys playing in that seeing runes/masteries means so much? Diamond?
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On July 10 2013 22:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
Rammus isn't that bad honestly. He's a lot of fun, and the trick is to YOLO and ignore wards when you gank in soloQ. Zoomzoom and be surprised at how bad some people's map awareness is.
Never works for me
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On July 10 2013 23:25 Numy wrote:
That's some pretty classic progamer logic. Accidentally get a champ you don't know how to play or even put thought into -> Do badly -> Publically state how bad the champ is.
Explains the complete lack of innovation
edit: What ELO are you guys playing in that seeing runes/masteries means so much? Diamond?
At any elo it matters.I mean if you see a champ running 30 armor you can guess he isn't going mid vs your ap .
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