EPT[Patch 3.09: Spirit Guard Udyr Patch] General Discussion -…
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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DanielZKlein
United States1171 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 10 2013 20:23 DanielZKlein wrote: Hey guys. 3.9 is NOT Lucian. 3.9 is Spirit Guard Udyr. Lucian is 3.10. But since I'm here anyway, what are your most burning Lucian questions? Seeing how I was the gameplay designer on him  I'm confused. Are you ZenonTheStoic? I thought you were somebody else. Also just out of curiosity, is there a reason you specifically post on the German forums? | ||
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DanielZKlein
United States1171 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On July 10 2013 19:59 Amui wrote: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Lucian I think he scales far too well off of AP, AD, CDR and AS to itemize crit. It's a freaking ADC that can instaclear from 1100 range. With nashor's zephyr triforce and LW, defense+boots, he'll have a triforce proc on demand, rather large nuke on W, and Q, and very little need for crit because of his passive combined with high CDR and the onhits from nashor's and Triforce. And then there's the ultimate with absurd scaling. Ahh, ok, thank you. ... Wtf sort of champion is this? His level 1 HP is pretty high, even though it maxes at 1830 at 18 like most ADCs. The Q being an 1100 range thing is pretty good, a bit shorter than Caitlyn's Q , but it's AD scaling per point in it is rediculous, not to mention it pierces and doesn't lose a % of it's damage for every target it goes through, so it's lane clearing potential is nuts. The W being a small AoE-ish attack is ok, and I suspect his E is similar to Graves' in that it'll probably let him hop across small walls (like in Dragon or Baron pit). The fact that it costs 0 mana at rank 5 is just broken, and with it's 10 sec CD at that rank you'll just be spamming it all over the place. His ult seems sort of like a bullet hell sort of attack, firing a bajillion lasers in front of him, and the fact that he can move while doing it, and use his E no less, is just rediculous. I resisted buying Aatrox at the start as I generally play backup in top lane if support and ADC is taken, but I'll throw RP at this guy if it means I get free wins with him until they nerf him. If I even get decent CS in lane (or worse, first blood) I just don't see how I immediately snowball and bully the rest of my lane, get geared up and just shoot a billion lasers in team fights. I'd want to crunch the numbers, but I think I'd want to go Life Steal Quints for sustain in lane, AD runes, flat armor and scaling MR, with 21/9/0 masteries. For item buys, I'd probably go IE + LW, Muramana, CDR boots, P. Dancer and GA for an AD build, and Deathcap, VS, AS, CDR Boots, Lich Bane and GA for an AP build. | ||
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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
On July 10 2013 20:23 DanielZKlein wrote: Hey guys. 3.9 is NOT Lucian. 3.9 is Spirit Guard Udyr. Lucian is 3.10. But since I'm here anyway, what are your most burning Lucian questions? Seeing how I was the gameplay designer on him Nice to hear from you. How do you imagine him to be played? I mean, looking at the skill set he is probably meant to be played as an physical damage dealer, but what's the reasoning behind the AP ratios then? I know Graves hase some on his Smokescreen as well, but on Lucian's ult the AP ratio is even higher than the AD ratio? Overall, I must say that the flair of Lucian is pretty epic and his kit looks super strong (can't say if too good, but that's not important yet), but I guess there was a thought behind is AP ratios (can't imagine that you apply an AP ratio for no reason just like it was in Rengar's case)? | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
How have you been doing ever since you moved to LA? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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DanielZKlein
United States1171 Posts
On July 10 2013 20:29 little fancy wrote: Nice to hear from you. How do you imagine him to be played? I mean, looking at the skill set he is probably meant to be played as an physical damage dealer, but what's the reasoning behind the AP ratios then? I know Graves hase some on his Smokescreen as well, but on Lucian's ult the AP ratio is even higher than the AD ratio? Overall, I must say that the flair of Lucian is pretty epic and his kit looks super strong (can't say if too good, but that's not important yet), but I guess there was a thought behind is AP ratios? The AP ratios are totally over-hyped at the moment. There is no AP build that actually works. You do zero damage in between ults, and the smallest breeze knocks you out of your ult. You're right though, it probably shouldn't be higher. It clearly sends a wrong signal. For the next patch I've changed both ratios to 0.3. | ||
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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
On July 10 2013 20:33 DanielZKlein wrote: The AP ratios are totally over-hyped at the moment. There is no AP build that actually works. You do zero damage in between ults, and the smallest breeze knocks you out of your ult. You're right though, it probably shouldn't be higher. It clearly sends a wrong signal. For the next patch I've changed both ratios to 0.3. Thanks for the fast response and keep going. I can definitely see a touch of German character in this darkness cleansing badass l0l. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I might even feel like going for a hybrid build with nashors tooth and a last whisper. Lucian's ult AD ratios are out of all his AD so that benefits an AP build even more. Also, my general rule is that 1 AD is about as easy to obtain as 2 AP so one should take that into account. His ult dealing physical dmg sort of makes it less good but even so... Oh and a trinity force should also be good. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 10 2013 20:33 DanielZKlein wrote: The AP ratios are totally over-hyped at the moment. There is no AP build that actually works. You do zero damage in between ults, and the smallest breeze knocks you out of your ult. You're right though, it probably shouldn't be higher. It clearly sends a wrong signal. For the next patch I've changed both ratios to 0.3. A pure AP build might not work(in theory, I've seen many things in soloq), but the AP, CDR, onhit and AS on nashor's are all put to good use. How does a caster autoattack build( different than the ez version), with something like triforce nashor's zephyr LW fare. Nashor's seems to be an insane second item for lucian with how low his cooldowns are already. along with the double hit passive. Has anybody tried fitting it into a standard build for lucian? | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
It's quite true that he wont do anything with his other skills meanwhile other than his e, but isn't that what AP mid is for? Massive massive damage. Not to say that he will probably own mid with his kit as he can max his e in lane which deals Magic damage, causing the mid to buy mr and... get screwed by his ult at level 6. My only burning question is, will he be played like quinn? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
He looks like he can snowball pretty hard from an early advantage if he can afford to play aggressive too: if you hit a W, use E, double-auto for the MS boost, Q with the champ as the "anchor", double-auto. Or maybe even E->double auto->W->double auto->Q->double auto, such a threat would make him a great zoner if his opponent lacks escape/the way to stand up to him. (On the other hand, he shares Vayne's and Graves' weakness of lacking "reach" outside of aa range, so he has to be strong when he can maintain you in it. Champions with high MS (MF) or escapes can also try to stop him from capitalising on a W hit or maintain distance when he Es in.) I assume he was a super lane-bully when his W slowed the targets on explosion? And by the way, is there a particular reason for that weird star shape? On July 10 2013 20:43 HaruRH wrote: Even with a 0.3 AP ratio, he can still deal 8592.75 damage with his ult. It's quite true that he wont do anything with his other skills meanwhile other than his e, but isn't that what AP mid is for? Massive massive damage. Not to say that he will probably own mid with his kit as he can max his e in lane which deals Magic damage, causing the mid to buy mr and... get screwed by his ult at level 6. Thing is, even Veigar is super scary with his ult on cooldown. Annie still gets utility and tankiness once Tibbers is down. Viktor can keep poking even if he lacks the damage output to burst you down once his ult is out. Not only are you only hitting as hard as Orianna auto-ing people late game, how do you even try to lane pre-6 and when your ult is down, as you're trying to buy CDR items, fill a Tear which doesn't add anything for you until it's full (since his mana costs aren't excessively high), and only buy boots knowing you'll have to sell them later for your build? I mean look at Poppy: she's OP as fuck once she reaches 6 items, but we all know how often this happens. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 10 2013 20:43 HaruRH wrote: Even with a 0.3 AP ratio, he can still deal 8592.75 damage with his ult. It's quite true that he wont do anything with his other skills meanwhile other than his e, but isn't that what AP mid is for? Massive massive damage. Not to say that he will probably own mid with his kit as he can max his e in lane which deals Magic damage, causing the mid to buy mr and... get screwed by his ult at level 6. My only burning question is, will he be played like quinn? I'm curious. What is this magical build that gives 600 AP and 280% bonus aspd? | ||
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FR4CT4L
Australia697 Posts
Also the 300% minion damage is for a MF style waveclear then? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
if it's 300% to monsters I guess he out-barons even karthus | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
Would it be too strong if by pressing R again you could change the direction of Lucian's ult? Even once/twice? | ||
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