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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 23:10:18
May 17 2013 23:10 GMT
#681
On May 18 2013 08:03 overt wrote:
What do you guys think the odds are that blue build Ez will get nerfed? It's really fun to play and I don't think it's OP but I'm pretty sure Riot's gonna decide that it's not how they intended Ez to be played and at some point turn Iceborn into a melee item (or just nerf it) and/or nerf Elder Lizard so that you would never build it as a laner.

They said they don't actually mind laners building the SS items, but that they might be a little strong in general right now. I kinda hope Riot doesn't nerf it, I agree it's not OP, just different. Of course different seems OP because people aren't used to dealing with it. I still like Doublelift's Blue Build better where he rushes BT and then goes Tear->IBG->Muramana->LW
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
May 17 2013 23:11 GMT
#682
Not that I agree but knowing Riot, yes, blue ezreal will probably get nerfed.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 17 2013 23:14 GMT
#683
Bit off topic but holy shit Zac+Ori is so hilarious
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 17 2013 23:15 GMT
#684
On May 18 2013 08:10 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 08:03 overt wrote:
What do you guys think the odds are that blue build Ez will get nerfed? It's really fun to play and I don't think it's OP but I'm pretty sure Riot's gonna decide that it's not how they intended Ez to be played and at some point turn Iceborn into a melee item (or just nerf it) and/or nerf Elder Lizard so that you would never build it as a laner.

They said they don't actually mind laners building the SS items, but that they might be a little strong in general right now. I kinda hope Riot doesn't nerf it, I agree it's not OP, just different. Of course different seems OP because people aren't used to dealing with it. I still like Doublelift's Blue Build better where he rushes BT and then goes Tear->IBG->Muramana->LW


Yeah, it can be annoying to play against but so can a lot of shit in this game. It's strong but probably not OP.

Double's version is good and better for late game but unless you get a CS lead or some kills it delays your Tear (which in turns delays Muramana which is huge) for a long time. The reason Elder Lizard is good is because of how cost efficient it is (and since the meta is shifting away from being able to lane forever getting Elder Lizard is more and more appealing). But yeah, if you get something crazy like a double kill first blood or something going BT and then into blue build is pretty solid.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 17 2013 23:17 GMT
#685
On May 18 2013 08:15 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 08:10 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 18 2013 08:03 overt wrote:
What do you guys think the odds are that blue build Ez will get nerfed? It's really fun to play and I don't think it's OP but I'm pretty sure Riot's gonna decide that it's not how they intended Ez to be played and at some point turn Iceborn into a melee item (or just nerf it) and/or nerf Elder Lizard so that you would never build it as a laner.

They said they don't actually mind laners building the SS items, but that they might be a little strong in general right now. I kinda hope Riot doesn't nerf it, I agree it's not OP, just different. Of course different seems OP because people aren't used to dealing with it. I still like Doublelift's Blue Build better where he rushes BT and then goes Tear->IBG->Muramana->LW


Yeah, it can be annoying to play against but so can a lot of shit in this game. It's strong but probably not OP.

Double's version is good and better for late game but unless you get a CS lead or some kills it delays your Tear (which in turns delays Muramana which is huge) for a long time. The reason Elder Lizard is good is because of how cost efficient it is (and since the meta is shifting away from being able to lane forever getting Elder Lizard is more and more appealing). But yeah, if you get something crazy like a double kill first blood or something going BT and then into blue build is pretty solid.

Yeah, that's a great point. I thought about trying it but then realized I would have no where near the CS he did that early in the game. Maybe it's something I'll mess around with if I get fed one game.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 17 2013 23:18 GMT
#686
But blue ez really isn't that good.It's very overrated.If you don't win lane and enemy team has a hard engage there is no way you can kill a tank at any point in the game unless you kite him for ~2 minutes lol.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17251 Posts
May 17 2013 23:19 GMT
#687
Kiting them is much more effective than dying to them.
twitch.tv/cratonz
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 17 2013 23:20 GMT
#688
On May 18 2013 08:18 nafta wrote:
But blue ez really isn't that good.It's very overrated.If you don't win lane and enemy team has a hard engage there is no way you can kill a tank at any point in the game unless you kite him for ~2 minutes lol.


Yeah, I seen way too many AD's who just blue build Ez then do no damage cuz they had a rough lane. Most of the time it makes me shake my head, because of course rushing a tear gives you a rough lane.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 23:21:17
May 17 2013 23:21 GMT
#689
On May 18 2013 08:19 Craton wrote:
Kiting them is much more effective than dying to them.


Better to just build glasscannon and do some dmg and die.That way you help your team a lot more.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 17 2013 23:22 GMT
#690
That's what's nice about the BT first build, you can easily go Trinity Force or other items if the game quickly starts to go bad. I've a very risky build that can pay off and if it does it's annoying to play against. That's about it. I've seen it work in pro games and I've seen it fail, it's very binary.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 17 2013 23:23 GMT
#691
Blue Ez is strong but it's not OP, his damage with Muramana complete is mabye a bit high, but thats not exclusive to Blue Ez atm Jayce and Urgot are just as crazy.
Carrilord has arrived.
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 23:26:09
May 17 2013 23:25 GMT
#692
How do I become a more aggressive player? atm I'm playing far too passively even on aggressive heroes (e.g. riven, diana, tf, so mainly mid and top) and just farm my lane and jungle and only really leave the lane for major objectives. Because of this I don't have trouble outfarming the shit out of opposing laners (depends on what they're playing, of course, but I tend to open a 20-30 cs lead by like 12-15 mins, more if lane goes my way through ganks or just them being dumb) but I don't tend to actually convert that because it seems like every lane is permawarded when i try to gank and i lose my tower if i roam too much. I've been trying to get some pinks and counterward but had pretty limited success with that ;/

or do I just pick karthus every game and never leave lane? need to learn to play him, can't land q for shit ;/
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 17 2013 23:33 GMT
#693
On May 18 2013 08:20 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 08:18 nafta wrote:
But blue ez really isn't that good.It's very overrated.If you don't win lane and enemy team has a hard engage there is no way you can kill a tank at any point in the game unless you kite him for ~2 minutes lol.


Yeah, I seen way too many AD's who just blue build Ez then do no damage cuz they had a rough lane. Most of the time it makes me shake my head, because of course rushing a tear gives you a rough lane.


Most people don't rush Tear anymore because they realized it was stupid. You usually rush Elder Lizard and unless you're bad you're not gonna have a rough lane phase as Ezreal with Elder Lizard.

But yeah people who lose lane as Ezreal while trying to do blue build are idiots who probably don't even play ADC. I've gotten plenty of free wins against blue build Ezreals who are bad but when played proper is a really strong build and the late game damage really isn't that terrible (but is definitely worse than other ADCs who build standard). Once you finish Muramana your poke is strong enough that you can whittle teams down not to mention how good that build is for sieging and holding off pushes.

Although yeah, if the enemy team has a lot of hard engages the build is pretty shit.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 17 2013 23:38 GMT
#694
On May 18 2013 08:23 Slusher wrote:
Blue Ez is strong but it's not OP, his damage with Muramana complete is mabye a bit high, but thats not exclusive to Blue Ez atm Jayce and Urgot are just as crazy.


The problem, if any, lies in Munamana, not Ezreal.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 23:46:30
May 17 2013 23:39 GMT
#695
A lot of interesting things in this these PBE patch notes. I guess it has been removed for the time being but I suspect a lot of these changes will go out to the PBE in some form.

Edit: Removing the passive proc on evolved E, there are those Kha nerfs everyone wanted lol.
Edit 2: Also for those wondering, the 25 gold increase to tier 2 boots is in conjunction with regular boots being reduced by 25 gold.
Edit 3: Also speaking of nerfs to SS items lol
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 17 2013 23:42 GMT
#696
I suck at Jayce, i think i should just uninstall right now
Bronze player stuck in platinum
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
May 17 2013 23:44 GMT
#697
Blue Ez has been around forever. In fact when I first started playing LoL, because blue ez is the norm in SEA, I was surprised when I saw people went pure adc ez on NA server and competitive scene.


nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 23:53:13
May 17 2013 23:46 GMT
#698
On May 18 2013 08:39 onlywonderboy wrote:
A lot of interesting things in this these PBE patch notes. I guess it has been removed for the time being but I suspect a lot of these changes will go out to the PBE in some form.

Edit: Removing the passive proc on evolved E, there are those Kha nerfs everyone wanted lol.


New guy reminds me A LOT of xin.+200 dmg on autos does seem a bit overboard to me though lol.

400 gold doran's ring.lol

edit:Read the new guy's stuff a bit more and if he keeps those stats it would be kind of funny.Doubt he will but still something to think about XD.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 17 2013 23:47 GMT
#699
On May 18 2013 08:39 onlywonderboy wrote:
A lot of interesting things in this these PBE patch notes. I guess it has been removed for the time being but I suspect a lot of these changes will go out to the PBE in some form.

Edit: Removing the passive proc on evolved E, there are those Kha nerfs everyone wanted lol.
Edit 2: Also for those wondering, the 25 gold increase to the boots is in conjunction with regular boots being reduced by 25 gold.


I like how Drings cost 400 gold now and Dshield is 440 but Dblade stays at 475. Elder Lizard only grants 35 AD instead of 45 with no change in cost to compensate. Wit's End buff looks sick although I can't think of anyone who would build that except like AP Kayle, Jax, and maybe Diana (steal 5 MR per auto is pretty good). Maybe Wit's will be good if you're on a team with a lot of magic damage.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 17 2013 23:51 GMT
#700
I was like "Kha nerfs, ok"
EVOLVE R GET 4 CASTS LOLOLOL

why

HOLY SHIT THE KARMA BUFF

Also the Annie buff lol

Wit's going to be pretty good now, maybe?

Wriggle's still going to be underbought

With Shy's ability wordings, maybe she's getting a new passive?
It's your boy Guzma!
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