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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 00:15:21
April 11 2013 00:12 GMT
#301
On April 11 2013 08:58 LaNague wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 08:41 Phunkapotamus wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36577354#post36577354

"we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions."

Whew.


does that mean aram champs will be different from SR champs? TT


I think it only goes for TT/Dominion. Aram isn't really a competitive game mode. Why balance when you have no control over your team composition anyways?

Then again Riot are pretty nice guys. I never thought they'd ever do this.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
April 11 2013 00:17 GMT
#302
On April 11 2013 09:11 samthesaluki wrote:
is it better to use eq or qe for cait net combo ?


EQ by far. If you're in range for E to hit the other guy, Q is in range to hit them too. There's no reason to eat the extra autoattack/skill that comes from winding up your Q while standing still.
LateralusGaming
Profile Joined March 2013
119 Posts
April 11 2013 00:31 GMT
#303
On April 11 2013 09:11 samthesaluki wrote:
is it better to use eq or qe for cait net combo ?


EQ. You're given more range and better positioning (hopefully). And that's all you can ask for as a good ADC.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 11 2013 00:37 GMT
#304
On April 11 2013 09:12 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 08:58 LaNague wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:41 Phunkapotamus wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36577354#post36577354

"we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions."

Whew.


does that mean aram champs will be different from SR champs? TT


I think it only goes for TT/Dominion. Aram isn't really a competitive game mode. Why balance when you have no control over your team composition anyways?

Then again Riot are pretty nice guys. I never thought they'd ever do this.


I don't wanna sound like a douche but I don't know if I'd really consider Dominion to be a competitive game mode. I know that people have developed strategies and stuff for it but when the top Dominion players are worse than Silver level SR players...

Dominion gets props from me for being a good idea by Riot to appeal to their most casual of players. My friends who are really bad at SR prefer Dominion because it's really easy and it lasts half as long as an SR game. Even with champion specific balance changes Dominion isn't going to become a competitive game ever. TT is a bit more likely and will benefit a lot more from balance changes imo.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, Riot did some kind of map-specific balance changes to ARAM simply because of both it's popularity and the fact that it's actually harder than Dominion is.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 00:39:16
April 11 2013 00:37 GMT
#305
On April 11 2013 09:12 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 08:58 LaNague wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:41 Phunkapotamus wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36577354#post36577354

"we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions."

Whew.


does that mean aram champs will be different from SR champs? TT


I think it only goes for TT/Dominion. Aram isn't really a competitive game mode. Why balance when you have no control over your team composition anyways?

Then again Riot are pretty nice guys. I never thought they'd ever do this.



they will probably use dominion stats for aram is what i meant.

i mean, they use dominion items and dominion ambient xp/mana buff/ambient gold.
dottycakes
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada548 Posts
April 11 2013 00:38 GMT
#306
On April 11 2013 09:11 samthesaluki wrote:
is it better to use eq or qe for cait net combo ?


You can combo with q->e? Don't you get stuck in the q animation?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 00:44:22
April 11 2013 00:42 GMT
#307
On April 11 2013 07:01 kainzero wrote:
how many people talk about 2v1 lanes without actually having played them and against them consistently?


I almost always approach the discussion from a competitive perspective. I haven't played against a lot of 2v1s but I can judge the impact they are having on the game.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 00:49:27
April 11 2013 00:47 GMT
#308
On April 11 2013 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
#1. IBG rush has been mostly debunked on Ezreal because you do rubbish damage. Right now its probably only used as your "defensive item" in place of GA/Warmogs/Randuins after you get a BT(IE)/LW/SS(PD) core.

I think you forgot that Riot nerfed it pretty hard on ranged carries.

Use to be 3 second slow field, 35% slow, 275 radius aoe.

Now it's only 2 second slow field, 30% slow, 210 radius aoe.
liftlift > tsm
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 11 2013 00:47 GMT
#309
On April 11 2013 08:05 LateralusGaming wrote:
So besides Corki, anyone else kind of pleased that they nerfed the range on Kayle's abilities?

No.

Why? Also I used to be a Kayle main.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 11 2013 00:50 GMT
#310
On April 11 2013 09:47 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 08:05 LateralusGaming wrote:
So besides Corki, anyone else kind of pleased that they nerfed the range on Kayle's abilities?

No.

Why? Also I used to be a Kayle main.

Kayle ulti range was a bit obscene....
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 11 2013 00:50 GMT
#311
On April 11 2013 08:41 Phunkapotamus wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36577354#post36577354

"we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions."

Whew.

Oh wow, certainly didn't expect this. Interesting for sure, interesting to see what kind of things actually get changed.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
April 11 2013 00:56 GMT
#312
On April 11 2013 09:37 overt wrote:
onestly I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, Riot did some kind of map-specific balance changes to ARAM simply because of both it's popularity and the fact that it's actually harder than Dominion is.


ARAM has way less potential as a competitive mode than Dominion if for no other reason than the fact it's random. Can you imagine an ARAM tournament finals decided because one team got a bunch of melee and the other got Ez, Nid, Lux etc.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
April 11 2013 00:56 GMT
#313
On April 11 2013 09:37 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 09:12 phyvo wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:58 LaNague wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:41 Phunkapotamus wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36577354#post36577354

"we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions."

Whew.


does that mean aram champs will be different from SR champs? TT


I think it only goes for TT/Dominion. Aram isn't really a competitive game mode. Why balance when you have no control over your team composition anyways?

Then again Riot are pretty nice guys. I never thought they'd ever do this.


I don't wanna sound like a douche but I don't know if I'd really consider Dominion to be a competitive game mode. I know that people have developed strategies and stuff for it but when the top Dominion players are worse than Silver level SR players...

Dominion gets props from me for being a good idea by Riot to appeal to their most casual of players. My friends who are really bad at SR prefer Dominion because it's really easy and it lasts half as long as an SR game. Even with champion specific balance changes Dominion isn't going to become a competitive game ever. TT is a bit more likely and will benefit a lot more from balance changes imo.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, Riot did some kind of map-specific balance changes to ARAM simply because of both it's popularity and the fact that it's actually harder than Dominion is.


Whether or not it is as competitive as SR is pretty irrelevant. pre-S1 LoL wasn't as competitive as S3 now but that doesn't mean that balance wasn't important. The point is that, whether you think Dominion is competitive or not (whatever that means, honestly if a game has 1 winner then it's competitive in the broad sense) the enjoyment of Dominion by its greatest fans has been hampered by a lack of balance. Riot being able to balance it is a good thing even if SR overshadows it for forever.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 01:02:18
April 11 2013 00:57 GMT
#314
On April 11 2013 09:56 Amarok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 09:37 overt wrote:
onestly I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, Riot did some kind of map-specific balance changes to ARAM simply because of both it's popularity and the fact that it's actually harder than Dominion is.


ARAM has way less potential as a competitive mode than Dominion if for no other reason than the fact it's random. Can you imagine an ARAM tournament finals decided because one team got a bunch of melee and the other got Ez, Nid, Lux etc.

I would hope they don't do that...the OP nature of random champs is part of the fun. Also who knows, maybe the changes could help Dominion feel more competitive.

Edit: Also 5 Health Potion limit is offical on the PBE.

Edit 2: Also our NA LCS Week 8 recap is live on Reddit. You guys should check it out.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 01:04:57
April 11 2013 01:04 GMT
#315
On April 11 2013 09:57 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 09:56 Amarok wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:37 overt wrote:
onestly I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, Riot did some kind of map-specific balance changes to ARAM simply because of both it's popularity and the fact that it's actually harder than Dominion is.


ARAM has way less potential as a competitive mode than Dominion if for no other reason than the fact it's random. Can you imagine an ARAM tournament finals decided because one team got a bunch of melee and the other got Ez, Nid, Lux etc.

I would hope they don't do that...the OP nature of random champs is part of the fun. Also who knows, maybe the changes could help Dominion feel more competitive.

Edit: Also 5 Health Potion limit is offical on the PBE.


I do too, mostly because ARAM isn't meant to be serious. If you get a game on Udyr or Volibear you're supposed to just laugh about the ridiculousness of it and if you have a rank/tournament to care about you can't do that. It's not really built to be treated competitively so no one really does.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 11 2013 01:09 GMT
#316
On April 11 2013 09:47 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
#1. IBG rush has been mostly debunked on Ezreal because you do rubbish damage. Right now its probably only used as your "defensive item" in place of GA/Warmogs/Randuins after you get a BT(IE)/LW/SS(PD) core.

I think you forgot that Riot nerfed it pretty hard on ranged carries.

Use to be 3 second slow field, 35% slow, 275 radius aoe.

Now it's only 2 second slow field, 30% slow, 210 radius aoe.


That in no way helps its viability on Corki.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 11 2013 01:11 GMT
#317
On April 11 2013 10:09 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 09:47 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 11 2013 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
#1. IBG rush has been mostly debunked on Ezreal because you do rubbish damage. Right now its probably only used as your "defensive item" in place of GA/Warmogs/Randuins after you get a BT(IE)/LW/SS(PD) core.

I think you forgot that Riot nerfed it pretty hard on ranged carries.

Use to be 3 second slow field, 35% slow, 275 radius aoe.

Now it's only 2 second slow field, 30% slow, 210 radius aoe.


That in no way helps its viability on Corki.

Your quoted in reference to why it sucked on Ezreal; what I meant was that it wasn't debunked, it was nerfed.
liftlift > tsm
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
April 11 2013 01:11 GMT
#318
Good times. Akali deserved nerfs but those are pretty minor and just stop her constant trading damage from chucking a Q.


Oh lord am I happy that is getting nerfed. I had an Akali last patch start bluepot+pots rush sorc boots, against me. It was the most obnoxious thing because not only was she going to outlane me literally with nothing but boots and blue pot after 6 because of her ult charges, but before 6 she traded even me in because of that, pots, and the armor/mr from shroud. -_-

On a side note, anyone seen any good Karma theorycrafting/guides/vods? I really want to learn her. I wish theyd just buff her passive and the base mantra cd more, Im not sure how good these buffs are exactly to Karma's teamfight and laning.

"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 11 2013 01:13 GMT
#319
Couple more things of note, Wither hit as expected.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 11 2013 01:21 GMT
#320
On April 11 2013 10:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 10:09 cLutZ wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:47 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 11 2013 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
#1. IBG rush has been mostly debunked on Ezreal because you do rubbish damage. Right now its probably only used as your "defensive item" in place of GA/Warmogs/Randuins after you get a BT(IE)/LW/SS(PD) core.

I think you forgot that Riot nerfed it pretty hard on ranged carries.

Use to be 3 second slow field, 35% slow, 275 radius aoe.

Now it's only 2 second slow field, 30% slow, 210 radius aoe.


That in no way helps its viability on Corki.

Your quoted in reference to why it sucked on Ezreal; what I meant was that it wasn't debunked, it was nerfed.


It was dropping in popularity before it was nerfed. The nerf was just coup de gras.
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