• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:51
CET 09:51
KST 17:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win02026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains17Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block5
StarCraft 2
General
Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win GSL CK - New online series
Tourneys
2026 KungFu Cup Announcement [GSL CK] #2: Team Classic vs. Team Solar [GSL CK] #1: Team Maru vs. Team herO RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 Are you ready for ASL 21? Hype VIDEO
Tourneys
ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours IPSL Spring 2026 is here!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Mexico's Drug War Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3616 users

[Patch 3.05: Balance Update] General Discussion - Page 16

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 210 Next
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 00:15:21
April 11 2013 00:12 GMT
#301
On April 11 2013 08:58 LaNague wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 08:41 Phunkapotamus wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36577354#post36577354

"we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions."

Whew.


does that mean aram champs will be different from SR champs? TT


I think it only goes for TT/Dominion. Aram isn't really a competitive game mode. Why balance when you have no control over your team composition anyways?

Then again Riot are pretty nice guys. I never thought they'd ever do this.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
April 11 2013 00:17 GMT
#302
On April 11 2013 09:11 samthesaluki wrote:
is it better to use eq or qe for cait net combo ?


EQ by far. If you're in range for E to hit the other guy, Q is in range to hit them too. There's no reason to eat the extra autoattack/skill that comes from winding up your Q while standing still.
LateralusGaming
Profile Joined March 2013
119 Posts
April 11 2013 00:31 GMT
#303
On April 11 2013 09:11 samthesaluki wrote:
is it better to use eq or qe for cait net combo ?


EQ. You're given more range and better positioning (hopefully). And that's all you can ask for as a good ADC.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 11 2013 00:37 GMT
#304
On April 11 2013 09:12 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 08:58 LaNague wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:41 Phunkapotamus wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36577354#post36577354

"we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions."

Whew.


does that mean aram champs will be different from SR champs? TT


I think it only goes for TT/Dominion. Aram isn't really a competitive game mode. Why balance when you have no control over your team composition anyways?

Then again Riot are pretty nice guys. I never thought they'd ever do this.


I don't wanna sound like a douche but I don't know if I'd really consider Dominion to be a competitive game mode. I know that people have developed strategies and stuff for it but when the top Dominion players are worse than Silver level SR players...

Dominion gets props from me for being a good idea by Riot to appeal to their most casual of players. My friends who are really bad at SR prefer Dominion because it's really easy and it lasts half as long as an SR game. Even with champion specific balance changes Dominion isn't going to become a competitive game ever. TT is a bit more likely and will benefit a lot more from balance changes imo.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, Riot did some kind of map-specific balance changes to ARAM simply because of both it's popularity and the fact that it's actually harder than Dominion is.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 00:39:16
April 11 2013 00:37 GMT
#305
On April 11 2013 09:12 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 08:58 LaNague wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:41 Phunkapotamus wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36577354#post36577354

"we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions."

Whew.


does that mean aram champs will be different from SR champs? TT


I think it only goes for TT/Dominion. Aram isn't really a competitive game mode. Why balance when you have no control over your team composition anyways?

Then again Riot are pretty nice guys. I never thought they'd ever do this.



they will probably use dominion stats for aram is what i meant.

i mean, they use dominion items and dominion ambient xp/mana buff/ambient gold.
dottycakes
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada548 Posts
April 11 2013 00:38 GMT
#306
On April 11 2013 09:11 samthesaluki wrote:
is it better to use eq or qe for cait net combo ?


You can combo with q->e? Don't you get stuck in the q animation?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 00:44:22
April 11 2013 00:42 GMT
#307
On April 11 2013 07:01 kainzero wrote:
how many people talk about 2v1 lanes without actually having played them and against them consistently?


I almost always approach the discussion from a competitive perspective. I haven't played against a lot of 2v1s but I can judge the impact they are having on the game.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 00:49:27
April 11 2013 00:47 GMT
#308
On April 11 2013 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
#1. IBG rush has been mostly debunked on Ezreal because you do rubbish damage. Right now its probably only used as your "defensive item" in place of GA/Warmogs/Randuins after you get a BT(IE)/LW/SS(PD) core.

I think you forgot that Riot nerfed it pretty hard on ranged carries.

Use to be 3 second slow field, 35% slow, 275 radius aoe.

Now it's only 2 second slow field, 30% slow, 210 radius aoe.
liftlift > tsm
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 11 2013 00:47 GMT
#309
On April 11 2013 08:05 LateralusGaming wrote:
So besides Corki, anyone else kind of pleased that they nerfed the range on Kayle's abilities?

No.

Why? Also I used to be a Kayle main.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 11 2013 00:50 GMT
#310
On April 11 2013 09:47 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 08:05 LateralusGaming wrote:
So besides Corki, anyone else kind of pleased that they nerfed the range on Kayle's abilities?

No.

Why? Also I used to be a Kayle main.

Kayle ulti range was a bit obscene....
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 11 2013 00:50 GMT
#311
On April 11 2013 08:41 Phunkapotamus wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36577354#post36577354

"we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions."

Whew.

Oh wow, certainly didn't expect this. Interesting for sure, interesting to see what kind of things actually get changed.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
April 11 2013 00:56 GMT
#312
On April 11 2013 09:37 overt wrote:
onestly I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, Riot did some kind of map-specific balance changes to ARAM simply because of both it's popularity and the fact that it's actually harder than Dominion is.


ARAM has way less potential as a competitive mode than Dominion if for no other reason than the fact it's random. Can you imagine an ARAM tournament finals decided because one team got a bunch of melee and the other got Ez, Nid, Lux etc.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
April 11 2013 00:56 GMT
#313
On April 11 2013 09:37 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 09:12 phyvo wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:58 LaNague wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:41 Phunkapotamus wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36577354#post36577354

"we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions."

Whew.


does that mean aram champs will be different from SR champs? TT


I think it only goes for TT/Dominion. Aram isn't really a competitive game mode. Why balance when you have no control over your team composition anyways?

Then again Riot are pretty nice guys. I never thought they'd ever do this.


I don't wanna sound like a douche but I don't know if I'd really consider Dominion to be a competitive game mode. I know that people have developed strategies and stuff for it but when the top Dominion players are worse than Silver level SR players...

Dominion gets props from me for being a good idea by Riot to appeal to their most casual of players. My friends who are really bad at SR prefer Dominion because it's really easy and it lasts half as long as an SR game. Even with champion specific balance changes Dominion isn't going to become a competitive game ever. TT is a bit more likely and will benefit a lot more from balance changes imo.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, Riot did some kind of map-specific balance changes to ARAM simply because of both it's popularity and the fact that it's actually harder than Dominion is.


Whether or not it is as competitive as SR is pretty irrelevant. pre-S1 LoL wasn't as competitive as S3 now but that doesn't mean that balance wasn't important. The point is that, whether you think Dominion is competitive or not (whatever that means, honestly if a game has 1 winner then it's competitive in the broad sense) the enjoyment of Dominion by its greatest fans has been hampered by a lack of balance. Riot being able to balance it is a good thing even if SR overshadows it for forever.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 01:02:18
April 11 2013 00:57 GMT
#314
On April 11 2013 09:56 Amarok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 09:37 overt wrote:
onestly I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, Riot did some kind of map-specific balance changes to ARAM simply because of both it's popularity and the fact that it's actually harder than Dominion is.


ARAM has way less potential as a competitive mode than Dominion if for no other reason than the fact it's random. Can you imagine an ARAM tournament finals decided because one team got a bunch of melee and the other got Ez, Nid, Lux etc.

I would hope they don't do that...the OP nature of random champs is part of the fun. Also who knows, maybe the changes could help Dominion feel more competitive.

Edit: Also 5 Health Potion limit is offical on the PBE.

Edit 2: Also our NA LCS Week 8 recap is live on Reddit. You guys should check it out.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 01:04:57
April 11 2013 01:04 GMT
#315
On April 11 2013 09:57 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 09:56 Amarok wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:37 overt wrote:
onestly I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, Riot did some kind of map-specific balance changes to ARAM simply because of both it's popularity and the fact that it's actually harder than Dominion is.


ARAM has way less potential as a competitive mode than Dominion if for no other reason than the fact it's random. Can you imagine an ARAM tournament finals decided because one team got a bunch of melee and the other got Ez, Nid, Lux etc.

I would hope they don't do that...the OP nature of random champs is part of the fun. Also who knows, maybe the changes could help Dominion feel more competitive.

Edit: Also 5 Health Potion limit is offical on the PBE.


I do too, mostly because ARAM isn't meant to be serious. If you get a game on Udyr or Volibear you're supposed to just laugh about the ridiculousness of it and if you have a rank/tournament to care about you can't do that. It's not really built to be treated competitively so no one really does.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 11 2013 01:09 GMT
#316
On April 11 2013 09:47 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
#1. IBG rush has been mostly debunked on Ezreal because you do rubbish damage. Right now its probably only used as your "defensive item" in place of GA/Warmogs/Randuins after you get a BT(IE)/LW/SS(PD) core.

I think you forgot that Riot nerfed it pretty hard on ranged carries.

Use to be 3 second slow field, 35% slow, 275 radius aoe.

Now it's only 2 second slow field, 30% slow, 210 radius aoe.


That in no way helps its viability on Corki.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 11 2013 01:11 GMT
#317
On April 11 2013 10:09 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 09:47 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 11 2013 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
#1. IBG rush has been mostly debunked on Ezreal because you do rubbish damage. Right now its probably only used as your "defensive item" in place of GA/Warmogs/Randuins after you get a BT(IE)/LW/SS(PD) core.

I think you forgot that Riot nerfed it pretty hard on ranged carries.

Use to be 3 second slow field, 35% slow, 275 radius aoe.

Now it's only 2 second slow field, 30% slow, 210 radius aoe.


That in no way helps its viability on Corki.

Your quoted in reference to why it sucked on Ezreal; what I meant was that it wasn't debunked, it was nerfed.
liftlift > tsm
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
April 11 2013 01:11 GMT
#318
Good times. Akali deserved nerfs but those are pretty minor and just stop her constant trading damage from chucking a Q.


Oh lord am I happy that is getting nerfed. I had an Akali last patch start bluepot+pots rush sorc boots, against me. It was the most obnoxious thing because not only was she going to outlane me literally with nothing but boots and blue pot after 6 because of her ult charges, but before 6 she traded even me in because of that, pots, and the armor/mr from shroud. -_-

On a side note, anyone seen any good Karma theorycrafting/guides/vods? I really want to learn her. I wish theyd just buff her passive and the base mantra cd more, Im not sure how good these buffs are exactly to Karma's teamfight and laning.

"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 11 2013 01:13 GMT
#319
Couple more things of note, Wither hit as expected.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 11 2013 01:21 GMT
#320
On April 11 2013 10:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 10:09 cLutZ wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:47 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 11 2013 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
#1. IBG rush has been mostly debunked on Ezreal because you do rubbish damage. Right now its probably only used as your "defensive item" in place of GA/Warmogs/Randuins after you get a BT(IE)/LW/SS(PD) core.

I think you forgot that Riot nerfed it pretty hard on ranged carries.

Use to be 3 second slow field, 35% slow, 275 radius aoe.

Now it's only 2 second slow field, 30% slow, 210 radius aoe.


That in no way helps its viability on Corki.

Your quoted in reference to why it sucked on Ezreal; what I meant was that it wasn't debunked, it was nerfed.


It was dropping in popularity before it was nerfed. The nerf was just coup de gras.
Freeeeeeedom
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 210 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 10m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 143
ProTech121
StarCraft: Brood War
PianO 170
Leta 92
actioN 78
Killer 64
Shinee 64
ToSsGirL 63
sSak 55
NotJumperer 28
Bale 23
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm144
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K986
m0e_tv684
shoxiejesuss536
edward45
Other Games
summit1g6673
ceh9514
Happy239
KnowMe152
Mew2King68
ToD66
Trikslyr18
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick558
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream300
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH244
• LUISG 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt1011
• HappyZerGling118
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Team League
3h 10m
PiGosaur Cup
15h 10m
Kung Fu Cup
1d 2h
OSC
1d 15h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
WardiTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
[ Show More ]
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Maru vs Zoun
Cure vs ByuN
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs MaxPax
Rogue vs TriGGeR
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Sharp vs Scan
Rain vs Mong
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-15
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
NationLESS Cup
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.