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Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
April 11 2013 01:24 GMT
#321
On April 11 2013 10:21 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 10:11 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 11 2013 10:09 cLutZ wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:47 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 11 2013 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
#1. IBG rush has been mostly debunked on Ezreal because you do rubbish damage. Right now its probably only used as your "defensive item" in place of GA/Warmogs/Randuins after you get a BT(IE)/LW/SS(PD) core.

I think you forgot that Riot nerfed it pretty hard on ranged carries.

Use to be 3 second slow field, 35% slow, 275 radius aoe.

Now it's only 2 second slow field, 30% slow, 210 radius aoe.


That in no way helps its viability on Corki.

Your quoted in reference to why it sucked on Ezreal; what I meant was that it wasn't debunked, it was nerfed.


It was dropping in popularity before it was nerfed. The nerf was just coup de gras.


Does it still work (at least to some, limited degree?) though, even after nerfs? or is it just outright cost inefficient on him.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 11 2013 01:25 GMT
#322
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EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 01:32:19
April 11 2013 01:31 GMT
#323
Wow, way to totally shit on that Wither.
But why?
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 11 2013 01:31 GMT
#324
Do Jungle Zeds max W second?
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35129 Posts
April 11 2013 01:33 GMT
#325
Well, potion limits is a Viktor buff, yes?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 11 2013 01:36 GMT
#326
On April 11 2013 10:31 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Wow, way to totally shit on that Wither.

Nah Wither still fine, though it totally gimps Support Nasus.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 11 2013 01:40 GMT
#327
On April 11 2013 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 10:31 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Wow, way to totally shit on that Wither.

Nah Wither still fine, though it totally gimps Support Nasus.

Still slows a fuck ton and gimps the enemy ADC (instead of making them completely useless). Seems like a fair nerf to me.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
April 11 2013 01:51 GMT
#328
On April 11 2013 10:24 Purge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 10:21 cLutZ wrote:
On April 11 2013 10:11 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 11 2013 10:09 cLutZ wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:47 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 11 2013 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
#1. IBG rush has been mostly debunked on Ezreal because you do rubbish damage. Right now its probably only used as your "defensive item" in place of GA/Warmogs/Randuins after you get a BT(IE)/LW/SS(PD) core.

I think you forgot that Riot nerfed it pretty hard on ranged carries.

Use to be 3 second slow field, 35% slow, 275 radius aoe.

Now it's only 2 second slow field, 30% slow, 210 radius aoe.


That in no way helps its viability on Corki.

Your quoted in reference to why it sucked on Ezreal; what I meant was that it wasn't debunked, it was nerfed.


It was dropping in popularity before it was nerfed. The nerf was just coup de gras.


Does it still work (at least to some, limited degree?) though, even after nerfs? or is it just outright cost inefficient on him.


I don't know because I always disfavored IBG and Ezreal in general. I suspect it could still be a decent pickup for a poke comp facing a team of brawlers with suspect gapclosing ability like udyr, volibear, nasus, chogath, etc.
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
April 11 2013 01:51 GMT
#329
Wither is one of those abilities it seemed everyone knew was overpowered and it'd require change if Nasus started to see play on any level. Low and behold, he's seen play and wither is changed.
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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
April 11 2013 01:52 GMT
#330
So....did velocity end up getting deezer to the USA for this tourney?
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 11 2013 01:58 GMT
#331
On April 11 2013 09:50 wei2coolman wrote:
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On April 11 2013 09:47 obesechicken13 wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:05 LateralusGaming wrote:
So besides Corki, anyone else kind of pleased that they nerfed the range on Kayle's abilities?

No.

Why? Also I used to be a Kayle main.

Kayle ulti range was a bit obscene....

I was never of that opinion. Her ult isn't an AoE and it's rare that it will block as much damage as an AoE will deal damage.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
April 11 2013 02:22 GMT
#332
Wither is one of those abilities it seemed everyone knew was overpowered and it'd require change if Nasus started to see play on any level. Low and behold, he's seen play and wither is changed.


Wither was completely ludicrous before, it removed so much gold worth of stats, and could invalidate a carry by itself. Happy to see this nerf, although I still wish there was a way to counter attspeed slows to some degree (instead of resigning yourself to being crippled). I get why there isnt, but its annoying all the same .




I was never of that opinion. Her ult isn't an AoE and it's rare that it will block as much damage as an AoE will deal damage.


Isnt it an instantcast spell that completely sways ganks or teamfights though? Id understand if Riot didnt want people abusing it too hard from offscreen. Thats what Shen is for, and his ult is balanced around it.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
LateralusGaming
Profile Joined March 2013
119 Posts
April 11 2013 02:22 GMT
#333
On April 11 2013 10:51 Parnage wrote:
Wither is one of those abilities it seemed everyone knew was overpowered and it'd require change if Nasus started to see play on any level. Low and behold, he's seen play and wither is changed.


I think we'll still see Nasus in the pro scene though.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
April 11 2013 02:29 GMT
#334
On April 11 2013 10:58 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 09:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:47 obesechicken13 wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:05 LateralusGaming wrote:
So besides Corki, anyone else kind of pleased that they nerfed the range on Kayle's abilities?

No.

Why? Also I used to be a Kayle main.

Kayle ulti range was a bit obscene....

I was never of that opinion. Her ult isn't an AoE and it's rare that it will block as much damage as an AoE will deal damage.


Zilean's ult is 700 range, for comparison.
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
April 11 2013 02:33 GMT
#335
Zilean's ult is 700 range, for comparison.


Which is funny, because if you think about it, Kayle right now is just a better version of zilean (albeit with a weaker utl). Like for all intents and purposes she does his job to a lesser extreme- which means that she gets to be able to deal damage on top of it.

"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
April 11 2013 02:34 GMT
#336
Hurrah at SJ's Archie getting a pro player pick.

Not surprised at Wither change; ah well, fun while it lasted.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 11 2013 02:35 GMT
#337
On April 11 2013 11:29 Vanka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 10:58 obesechicken13 wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:47 obesechicken13 wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:05 LateralusGaming wrote:
So besides Corki, anyone else kind of pleased that they nerfed the range on Kayle's abilities?

No.

Why? Also I used to be a Kayle main.

Kayle ulti range was a bit obscene....

I was never of that opinion. Her ult isn't an AoE and it's rare that it will block as much damage as an AoE will deal damage.


Zilean's ult is 700 range, for comparison.

I don't think this matters. At all.

Why can't one ult have higher range than another?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 02:40:07
April 11 2013 02:39 GMT
#338
On April 11 2013 10:51 Parnage wrote:
Wither is one of those abilities it seemed everyone knew was overpowered and it'd require change if Nasus started to see play on any level. Low and behold, he's seen play and wither is changed.

Not to be a grammar nazi or anything but I believe the phrase is "lo and behold" not "low and behold."

But yea I completely agree. Even when people were saying Nasus was in his own tier of shitiness everyone had to admit that Wither was by far the strongest slow in the game. The nerf is gonna hurt but half of 95% attack speed slow is 47.5%, which is still quite huge. Besides, there's no guarantee it'll go through the way it is seeing how it's only the PBE and not every change on the PBE has gone through in the past.


Honestly, the Kayle ult range nerf is neglible. 900 range is still silly long range and you'll still have 0 problem saving people with in during teamfights.
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
April 11 2013 02:43 GMT
#339
On April 11 2013 11:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 10:51 Parnage wrote:
Wither is one of those abilities it seemed everyone knew was overpowered and it'd require change if Nasus started to see play on any level. Low and behold, he's seen play and wither is changed.

Not to be a grammar nazi or anything but I believe the phrase is "lo and behold" not "low and behold."

But yea I completely agree. Even when people were saying Nasus was in his own tier of shitiness everyone had to admit that Wither was by far the strongest slow in the game. The nerf is gonna hurt but half of 95% attack speed slow is 47.5%, which is still quite huge. Besides, there's no guarantee it'll go through the way it is seeing how it's only the PBE and not every change on the PBE has gone through in the past.


Honestly, the Kayle ult range nerf is neglible. 900 range is still silly long range and you'll still have 0 problem saving people with in during teamfights.



Im not sure its negligible, (I wouldnt be surprised if it had decided games before), I think its completely warranted and fair, given that she still offers so bloody much to a team.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 11 2013 02:50 GMT
#340
On April 11 2013 11:35 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 11:29 Vanka wrote:
On April 11 2013 10:58 obesechicken13 wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:47 obesechicken13 wrote:
On April 11 2013 08:05 LateralusGaming wrote:
So besides Corki, anyone else kind of pleased that they nerfed the range on Kayle's abilities?

No.

Why? Also I used to be a Kayle main.

Kayle ulti range was a bit obscene....

I was never of that opinion. Her ult isn't an AoE and it's rare that it will block as much damage as an AoE will deal damage.


Zilean's ult is 700 range, for comparison.

I don't think this matters. At all.

Why can't one ult have higher range than another?

I think his point was that both ults serve a similar purpose in saving your teammates. Personally I don't mind the range change. It was pretty long for such a game changing ult. But you're entitled to your opinion as well.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
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