EPTI'm pretty sure Corki is just really weak considering every other AD carry got buffs (besides like, Graves, who also got nerfed pretty hard) and he got nerfed.
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
I'm pretty sure Corki is just really weak considering every other AD carry got buffs (besides like, Graves, who also got nerfed pretty hard) and he got nerfed. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:35 onlywonderboy wrote: During the period he was picked the three big ADCs were Grave/Corki/Ez and not much else. The diversification of ADCs has been huge since the end of Season 2 and Corki hasn't really be a part of it. You're describing what happened, but do you have a reason for why Graves/Ez are still played despite nerfs and Corki disappeared completely? | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Youre saying Corki is weak in 2v1 lanes? | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
Volibear was both an extremely powerful duelist as well as an almost guaranteed initiator for early skirmishes. In order to preserve his presence as a threatening fighter, these changes instead reduce Volibear's ability to force engagements early on. Rolling Thunder Movement Speed bonus toward champions adjusted to 30/35/40/45/50% from 45% at all ranks WTF Morello? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:37 zulu_nation8 wrote: Youre saying Corki is weak in 2v1 lanes? No, but there really are no weak 2v1 lane ADs, so why take Corki when you can take someone who punishes melee harder (Cait, for instance) or has a stronger late game that you can get to easier with the easy lane (Vayne or Kog, for instance) | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:36 zulu_nation8 wrote: You're describing what happened, but do you have a reason for why Graves/Ez are still played despite nerfs and Corki disappeared completely? Graves did fall out of favor but has recently seen competitive play again and Ez has Q and E so he always has a place somewhere. The rise of other ADCs due to 2v1 lane and buffs just made it so picking Corki is his post-nerf state wasn't really appealing. He's probably not as bad as a lot of people say, but I do think there are a lot of ADCs that are better at the moment. | ||
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eParadox
Canada132 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35127 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:40 Requizen wrote: No, but there really are no weak 2v1 lane ADs, so why take Corki when you can take someone who punishes melee harder (Cait, for instance) or has a stronger late game that you can get to easier with the easy lane (Vayne or Kog, for instance) As much as I hate doing it.... This. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
Might seem like a small thing but it all adds up. Also his w is like easiest stopped escape ever with super long cd. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:40 Requizen wrote: No, but there really are no weak 2v1 lane ADs, so why take Corki when you can take someone who punishes melee harder (Cait, for instance) or has a stronger late game that you can get to easier with the easy lane (Vayne or Kog, for instance) There actually can be large variation in how strong a laner is in 2v1 depending on a) how fast they can push a tower, b) how hard they can suppress/punish a 1v2 laner trying to sneak XP/cs, c) how much burst damage/kill potential they contribute to a dive. In theory there is also a 4th factor--how strong they are playing a 1v1 lane against the 1v2 laner if the support leaves to roam/gank, but that hasn't been explored that fully, so it's not that relevant with how 1v2s are played right now. Plus, it's fallacious to say "my AD gets free-farm, therefore I should get the most lategame oriented AD possible for a 2v1". A freefarmed midgame-centric AD can still be a powerful user of freefarm to snowball an advantage midgame. EDIT: Bly beat me to it, and he's right. Not all 2v1s are equally strong. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:44 zulu_nation8 wrote: cait does less damage and pushes either the same or slower than Corki. The extent to which melees get zoned depends more on the support than AD. Those two factors are among many more considerations to picking 2v1 lanes. Cait pushes faster for less mana, her q is 60? while corkis is like 100+ and does less damage. You can also q entire wave as its running at you, while corki has to wait. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:44 zulu_nation8 wrote: cait does less damage and pushes either the same or slower than Corki. The extent to which melees get zoned depends more on the support than AD. Those two factors are among many more considerations to picking 2v1 lanes. Caitlyn pushes a lot better than corki lol. Reasons corki isn't picked: He is fat(really easy to hit with every skillshot/aoe) Low range Not mobile(his w is decent but it's really easy to stop) Average damage Average pushing So basically you don't do anything special.He isn't really a lane bully anymore as well. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Laundry-listing a champ's weaknesses doesn't explain why they're not picked--it's just listing their weaknesses, which every champ has. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:40 Requizen wrote: No, but there really are no weak 2v1 lane ADs, so why take Corki when you can take someone who punishes melee harder (Cait, for instance) or has a stronger late game that you can get to easier with the easy lane (Vayne or Kog, for instance) Pre nerf Corki was arguably the strongest AD during the early-midgame to late-midgame (aka when 40-80% of pro games seem to be decided in the laneswap meta). And the actual denying of the 1v2 laner is so practiced now that it really depends more on the solo laner than the duo (I.E. Elise will out CS Jax in a 1v2. even if she is vs. Cait-Lulu and Jax is against Graves-Ali). Yes 2v1 has boosted late-game carries, but there are basically 3 ADs that are not played at the moment:Sivir, Ashe, Corki. Sivir has lots of problems we know of, and Ashe's damage is too low for too long (and she dies too easily), but theoretical Corki is a beast at everything today's meta demands: Waveclear, Poke, Midgame Damage, build diversity, escape. Just real Corki is not. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:50 TheYango wrote: Literally all of those weaknesses were still true of him when he was a common pick. Laundry-listing a champ's weaknesses doesn't explain why they're not picked--it's just listing their weaknesses, which every champ has. Name 1 champ that has all of those.Even ashe who isn't picked has some utility. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:46 dae wrote: Cait pushes faster for less mana, her q is 60? while corkis is like 100+ and does less damage. You can also q entire wave as its running at you, while corki has to wait. True, there are two general purposes for pushing in a 2v1 lane, to get tower faster or to dive. Cait is great for getting tower, but she can't contribute much in a dive because of a lack of early damage. On the other hand, Corki has one of the highest damage outputs for ADC at lv2-lv3. 2v1 lanes are about executing a plan, and picking the right lane for that plan. There are many many different strategies that can be executed based on what a team wants to accomplish. Corki still has strengths, and those strengths when utilized well are still extremely useful, but no one has bothered because they can't look past his nerfs. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:53 nafta wrote: Name 1 champ that has all of those.Even ashe who isn't picked has some utility. No, I'm not saying every champ has those weaknesses. I'm saying every champ has some weaknesses. Listing them doesn't explain why they're not used. Again, Corki had those same weaknesses when he was picked. The question is WHAT CHANGED since he was a strong pick. Those aren't things that have changed. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On April 11 2013 05:48 nafta wrote: Caitlyn pushes a lot better than corki lol. Reasons corki isn't picked: He is fat(really easy to hit with every skillshot/aoe) Low range Not mobile(his w is decent but it's really easy to stop) Average damage Average pushing So basically you don't do anything special.He isn't really a lane bully anymore as well. Reasons why Corki is most op champion in the league and secret godtier champ: -1.3k range AoE skillshot -does true damage every autoattack -built in spell that does physical damage while shredding armor making it do like 2.0 AD ratio in one spell!!! -on-demand spammable sheen proc -reveal mechanic to stop pesky stealthers -flies an airplane | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Also he does a tremendous amount of magic damage as part of his damage; which is pretty much negated by AotL and Bulwark. Also the nerf on his escape cooldown really hurt him; Also his early game tower pushing ability in 2v1 is pretty weak due to slow autoattack, and no AS steroids. EDIT: on the topic of gattling gun; it's fairly unwieldy to use. | ||
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