EPTAlso I saw a handful of streamers running Quinn jungle. Silly day 1 shenanigans, or actually feasible?
[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 27
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Also I saw a handful of streamers running Quinn jungle. Silly day 1 shenanigans, or actually feasible? | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On March 03 2013 12:48 Shikyo wrote: On ADCs? No, if you don't synergize with it, it really isn't that good. Especially if your skills have AD ratios. ADCs generally cannot afford to buy utility over dps and it's very very weak at finishing people off. 2900 gold worth of completely standard AD carry stats for 2850. It's basically the same as the base items without including either of the bonus effects. They don't have to be very strong to push this over the edge, and they actually are pretty good. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On March 03 2013 13:06 UniversalSnip wrote: 2900 gold worth of completely standard AD carry stats for 2850. It's basically the same as the base items without including either of the bonus effects. They don't have to be very strong to push this over the edge, and they actually are pretty good. That doesn't make it any less retarded as a first item on the Ezreal's I've seen building it. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On March 03 2013 13:21 red_ wrote: That doesn't make it any less retarded as a first item on the Ezreal's I've seen building it. yes it does... | ||
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Kontossis
Canada256 Posts
On March 03 2013 13:21 red_ wrote: That doesn't make it any less retarded as a first item on the Ezreal's I've seen building it. I don't see the problem with Ezreal's building it.. the Q gives off the 5% current hp proc, and the active is very good. Like if you think about it simply, it swings the tide of a duel for about 25% hp if you're up against another AD carry (15% max health of other AD carry to you + 10% damage to them) | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
Slow + AD + Attack Speed + Lifesteal herpaderp why not give it some HP as well. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On March 03 2013 13:29 Chrispy wrote: Botrk is the best item ever and I see zero reason not to build it on almost every ADC. Slow + AD + Attack Speed + Lifesteal herpaderp why not give it some HP as well. needs some cdr too pls | ||
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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
On March 03 2013 12:48 Shikyo wrote: On ADCs? No, if you don't synergize with it, it really isn't that good. Especially if your skills have AD ratios. ADCs generally cannot afford to buy utility over dps and it's very very weak at finishing people off. You heard it here, 15% is bad. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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Kontossis
Canada256 Posts
On March 03 2013 11:23 Goumindong wrote: Its a newb trap because, aisde from maybe Kog, Vayne, trist, its not good on paper. No, just lots of people doing math they don't understand, forgetting to take into account burst, item timing, AD scaling abilities allies, and other beneficial interactions, seeing that BotRK as a single item will kill many targets fastest.. when solely auto attacking them from full health and thinking its a must buy first item. Its good, but not that good. I have no clue what you're talking about about burst as the active on BotRK is as huge burst, even on Graves, compared to a maxed stacked BT if the target has maximum health of JUST 1288, BotRK will equal to the difference in 70 AD from his Q + R and be stronger at higher health values. Item timing? All of the components are very cheap, while BT has the 1550 BF sword you have to buy. Beneficial interactions? What? I agree that BotRK isn't a item that not just twice as good as BT, but it is a improvement for everyone other than maybe Draven + Graves. | ||
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Kontossis
Canada256 Posts
On March 03 2013 13:45 Kontossis wrote: I have no clue what you're talking about about burst as the active on BotRK is as huge burst, even on Graves, compared to a maxed stacked BT if the target has maximum health of JUST 1288, BotRK will equal to the difference in 70 AD from his Q + R and be stronger at higher health values. Item timing? All of the components are very cheap, while BT has the 1550 BF sword you have to buy. Beneficial interactions? What? I agree that BotRK isn't a item that is twice as good as BT, but it is a improvement for everyone other than maybe Draven + Graves. | ||
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jcc
United States472 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On March 03 2013 13:48 jcc wrote: Botrk is an incredible adc item now with that atk speed and new activatable. I'd put it as first item on vayne, maybe trist for the activate. But I feel ie is still best on most adcs first, and BT first is almost always best on draven or graves IMO. I feel like BT is more for a stronger early game whereas BotRK scales much better. | ||
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ChaoSbringer
Australia1382 Posts
On March 03 2013 13:39 wussleeQ wrote: I was getting my first win of the day done on bots, and Amumu bot completely missed his ult multiple times. Made me laugh.I'm totally feeling that amumu nerf after yesterday when i missed a flash ulti... lololol | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On March 03 2013 12:14 Shikyo wrote: I see Ezreals and Caitlyns getting it, even with a Bloodthirster already... That's just so bad. Also Vi definitely had animation issues, the E animation was even worse than Trundle's Q. The Q buff was a nice QoL change as well, but her kit ended up being too strong(It's still the correct move to buff the animations of course, and adjust elsewhere). BT BotRK is an amazing item combo, especially with LW. While it doesn't really scale into the lategame that well, its absurd amounts of sustain, and consistent damage. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On March 03 2013 13:52 Dusty wrote: I feel like BT is more for a stronger early game whereas BotRK scales much better. On auto attacking ADs with few scaling spells BotRK is probably stronger because of the increased AS and the active. Best examples are probably Vayne, Trist, and Kog. Maybe Ashe. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On March 03 2013 13:52 Dusty wrote: I feel like BT is more for a stronger early game whereas BotRK scales much better. I think you're looking only at the 5% Current HP and not at the activation of BOTRK then. That activate is so strong. Also worth noting that BT isn't extra strong until 30 CS AFTER you buy it. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Yeah the activate is strong but it's only 500 range, it's pretty risky. Still good against divers but if you don't deal enough damage, the active's not going to help you 1v4 even if the 4 opponents are at a low hp. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
Was using Hybrid pen though, might try with AD/ArP and getting LW/BC afterwards. edit: Has anyone done the maths for BotRK vs Liandry's on Kayle? Arpen Kayle fits pretty well with MF/Cleaver comps. | ||
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