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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 03 2013 03:49 GMT
#521
Just because I comment on all of these, I'm not crazy about Quinn's music. It's pretty... ok. Nothing special.

Also I saw a handful of streamers running Quinn jungle. Silly day 1 shenanigans, or actually feasible?
It's your boy Guzma!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 04:07:38
March 03 2013 04:06 GMT
#522
On March 03 2013 12:48 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 12:23 UniversalSnip wrote:
On March 03 2013 11:23 Goumindong wrote:
On March 03 2013 11:15 Cixah wrote:
Maybe its a newb trap, but it seems pretty good on paper. I'm not going to complain about free attack speed on an item i already built regularly on trist.


Its a newb trap because, aisde from maybe Kog, Vayne, trist, its not good on paper.
On March 03 2013 11:22 Ketara wrote:
Wait, did BotRK rush go from completely overpowered to a noob trap in just one day? What?



No, just lots of people doing math they don't understand, forgetting to take into account burst, item timing, AD scaling abilities allies, and other beneficial interactions, seeing that BotRK as a single item will kill many targets fastest.. when solely auto attacking them from full health and thinking its a must buy first item.

Its good, but not that good.


what a joke. it's a reasonable item without EITHER of the bonus effects.

On ADCs? No, if you don't synergize with it, it really isn't that good. Especially if your skills have AD ratios. ADCs generally cannot afford to buy utility over dps and it's very very weak at finishing people off.


2900 gold worth of completely standard AD carry stats for 2850. It's basically the same as the base items without including either of the bonus effects. They don't have to be very strong to push this over the edge, and they actually are pretty good.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 03 2013 04:21 GMT
#523
On March 03 2013 13:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 12:48 Shikyo wrote:
On March 03 2013 12:23 UniversalSnip wrote:
On March 03 2013 11:23 Goumindong wrote:
On March 03 2013 11:15 Cixah wrote:
Maybe its a newb trap, but it seems pretty good on paper. I'm not going to complain about free attack speed on an item i already built regularly on trist.


Its a newb trap because, aisde from maybe Kog, Vayne, trist, its not good on paper.
On March 03 2013 11:22 Ketara wrote:
Wait, did BotRK rush go from completely overpowered to a noob trap in just one day? What?



No, just lots of people doing math they don't understand, forgetting to take into account burst, item timing, AD scaling abilities allies, and other beneficial interactions, seeing that BotRK as a single item will kill many targets fastest.. when solely auto attacking them from full health and thinking its a must buy first item.

Its good, but not that good.


what a joke. it's a reasonable item without EITHER of the bonus effects.

On ADCs? No, if you don't synergize with it, it really isn't that good. Especially if your skills have AD ratios. ADCs generally cannot afford to buy utility over dps and it's very very weak at finishing people off.


2900 gold worth of completely standard AD carry stats for 2850. It's basically the same as the base items without including either of the bonus effects. They don't have to be very strong to push this over the edge, and they actually are pretty good.


That doesn't make it any less retarded as a first item on the Ezreal's I've seen building it.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 03 2013 04:24 GMT
#524
On March 03 2013 13:21 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 13:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
On March 03 2013 12:48 Shikyo wrote:
On March 03 2013 12:23 UniversalSnip wrote:
On March 03 2013 11:23 Goumindong wrote:
On March 03 2013 11:15 Cixah wrote:
Maybe its a newb trap, but it seems pretty good on paper. I'm not going to complain about free attack speed on an item i already built regularly on trist.


Its a newb trap because, aisde from maybe Kog, Vayne, trist, its not good on paper.
On March 03 2013 11:22 Ketara wrote:
Wait, did BotRK rush go from completely overpowered to a noob trap in just one day? What?



No, just lots of people doing math they don't understand, forgetting to take into account burst, item timing, AD scaling abilities allies, and other beneficial interactions, seeing that BotRK as a single item will kill many targets fastest.. when solely auto attacking them from full health and thinking its a must buy first item.

Its good, but not that good.


what a joke. it's a reasonable item without EITHER of the bonus effects.

On ADCs? No, if you don't synergize with it, it really isn't that good. Especially if your skills have AD ratios. ADCs generally cannot afford to buy utility over dps and it's very very weak at finishing people off.


2900 gold worth of completely standard AD carry stats for 2850. It's basically the same as the base items without including either of the bonus effects. They don't have to be very strong to push this over the edge, and they actually are pretty good.


That doesn't make it any less retarded as a first item on the Ezreal's I've seen building it.


yes it does...
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Kontossis
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada256 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 04:25:55
March 03 2013 04:24 GMT
#525
On March 03 2013 13:21 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 13:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
On March 03 2013 12:48 Shikyo wrote:
On March 03 2013 12:23 UniversalSnip wrote:
On March 03 2013 11:23 Goumindong wrote:
On March 03 2013 11:15 Cixah wrote:
Maybe its a newb trap, but it seems pretty good on paper. I'm not going to complain about free attack speed on an item i already built regularly on trist.


Its a newb trap because, aisde from maybe Kog, Vayne, trist, its not good on paper.
On March 03 2013 11:22 Ketara wrote:
Wait, did BotRK rush go from completely overpowered to a noob trap in just one day? What?



No, just lots of people doing math they don't understand, forgetting to take into account burst, item timing, AD scaling abilities allies, and other beneficial interactions, seeing that BotRK as a single item will kill many targets fastest.. when solely auto attacking them from full health and thinking its a must buy first item.

Its good, but not that good.


what a joke. it's a reasonable item without EITHER of the bonus effects.

On ADCs? No, if you don't synergize with it, it really isn't that good. Especially if your skills have AD ratios. ADCs generally cannot afford to buy utility over dps and it's very very weak at finishing people off.


2900 gold worth of completely standard AD carry stats for 2850. It's basically the same as the base items without including either of the bonus effects. They don't have to be very strong to push this over the edge, and they actually are pretty good.


That doesn't make it any less retarded as a first item on the Ezreal's I've seen building it.


I don't see the problem with Ezreal's building it.. the Q gives off the 5% current hp proc, and the active is very good. Like if you think about it simply, it swings the tide of a duel for about 25% hp if you're up against another AD carry (15% max health of other AD carry to you + 10% damage to them)
Nom nom nom...
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 03 2013 04:29 GMT
#526
Botrk is the best item ever and I see zero reason not to build it on almost every ADC.

Slow + AD + Attack Speed + Lifesteal herpaderp why not give it some HP as well.
Retvrn to Forvms
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 04:32:29
March 03 2013 04:32 GMT
#527
So, Shaco/Teemo/Heimer on TT is pretty fun. It's like playing tower defense.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 03 2013 04:36 GMT
#528
On March 03 2013 13:29 Chrispy wrote:
Botrk is the best item ever and I see zero reason not to build it on almost every ADC.

Slow + AD + Attack Speed + Lifesteal herpaderp why not give it some HP as well.


needs some cdr too pls
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 03 2013 04:37 GMT
#529
On March 03 2013 12:48 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 12:23 UniversalSnip wrote:
On March 03 2013 11:23 Goumindong wrote:
On March 03 2013 11:15 Cixah wrote:
Maybe its a newb trap, but it seems pretty good on paper. I'm not going to complain about free attack speed on an item i already built regularly on trist.


Its a newb trap because, aisde from maybe Kog, Vayne, trist, its not good on paper.
On March 03 2013 11:22 Ketara wrote:
Wait, did BotRK rush go from completely overpowered to a noob trap in just one day? What?



No, just lots of people doing math they don't understand, forgetting to take into account burst, item timing, AD scaling abilities allies, and other beneficial interactions, seeing that BotRK as a single item will kill many targets fastest.. when solely auto attacking them from full health and thinking its a must buy first item.

Its good, but not that good.


what a joke. it's a reasonable item without EITHER of the bonus effects.

On ADCs? No, if you don't synergize with it, it really isn't that good. Especially if your skills have AD ratios. ADCs generally cannot afford to buy utility over dps and it's very very weak at finishing people off.

You heard it here, 15% is bad.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
March 03 2013 04:39 GMT
#530
I'm totally feeling that amumu nerf after yesterday when i missed a flash ulti... lololol
BW -> League -> CSGO
Kontossis
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada256 Posts
March 03 2013 04:45 GMT
#531
On March 03 2013 11:23 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 11:15 Cixah wrote:
Maybe its a newb trap, but it seems pretty good on paper. I'm not going to complain about free attack speed on an item i already built regularly on trist.


Its a newb trap because, aisde from maybe Kog, Vayne, trist, its not good on paper.
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 11:22 Ketara wrote:
Wait, did BotRK rush go from completely overpowered to a noob trap in just one day? What?



No, just lots of people doing math they don't understand, forgetting to take into account burst, item timing, AD scaling abilities allies, and other beneficial interactions, seeing that BotRK as a single item will kill many targets fastest.. when solely auto attacking them from full health and thinking its a must buy first item.

Its good, but not that good.


I have no clue what you're talking about about burst as the active on BotRK is as huge burst, even on Graves, compared to a maxed stacked BT if the target has maximum health of JUST 1288, BotRK will equal to the difference in 70 AD from his Q + R and be stronger at higher health values. Item timing? All of the components are very cheap, while BT has the 1550 BF sword you have to buy. Beneficial interactions? What? I agree that BotRK isn't a item that not just twice as good as BT, but it is a improvement for everyone other than maybe Draven + Graves.
Nom nom nom...
Kontossis
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada256 Posts
March 03 2013 04:46 GMT
#532
On March 03 2013 13:45 Kontossis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 11:23 Goumindong wrote:
On March 03 2013 11:15 Cixah wrote:
Maybe its a newb trap, but it seems pretty good on paper. I'm not going to complain about free attack speed on an item i already built regularly on trist.


Its a newb trap because, aisde from maybe Kog, Vayne, trist, its not good on paper.
On March 03 2013 11:22 Ketara wrote:
Wait, did BotRK rush go from completely overpowered to a noob trap in just one day? What?



No, just lots of people doing math they don't understand, forgetting to take into account burst, item timing, AD scaling abilities allies, and other beneficial interactions, seeing that BotRK as a single item will kill many targets fastest.. when solely auto attacking them from full health and thinking its a must buy first item.

Its good, but not that good.


I have no clue what you're talking about about burst as the active on BotRK is as huge burst, even on Graves, compared to a maxed stacked BT if the target has maximum health of JUST 1288, BotRK will equal to the difference in 70 AD from his Q + R and be stronger at higher health values. Item timing? All of the components are very cheap, while BT has the 1550 BF sword you have to buy. Beneficial interactions? What? I agree that BotRK isn't a item that is twice as good as BT, but it is a improvement for everyone other than maybe Draven + Graves.

Nom nom nom...
jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
March 03 2013 04:48 GMT
#533
Botrk is an incredible adc item now with that atk speed and new activatable. I'd put it as first item on vayne, maybe trist for the activate. But I feel ie is still best on most adcs first, and BT first is almost always best on draven or graves IMO.
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Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
March 03 2013 04:52 GMT
#534
On March 03 2013 13:48 jcc wrote:
Botrk is an incredible adc item now with that atk speed and new activatable. I'd put it as first item on vayne, maybe trist for the activate. But I feel ie is still best on most adcs first, and BT first is almost always best on draven or graves IMO.


I feel like BT is more for a stronger early game whereas BotRK scales much better.
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
March 03 2013 05:01 GMT
#535
On March 03 2013 13:39 wussleeQ wrote:
I'm totally feeling that amumu nerf after yesterday when i missed a flash ulti... lololol
I was getting my first win of the day done on bots, and Amumu bot completely missed his ult multiple times. Made me laugh.
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
March 03 2013 05:01 GMT
#536
On March 03 2013 12:14 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 11:22 Ketara wrote:
Wait, did BotRK rush go from completely overpowered to a noob trap in just one day? What?

I see Ezreals and Caitlyns getting it, even with a Bloodthirster already... That's just so bad.

Also Vi definitely had animation issues, the E animation was even worse than Trundle's Q. The Q buff was a nice QoL change as well, but her kit ended up being too strong(It's still the correct move to buff the animations of course, and adjust elsewhere).


BT BotRK is an amazing item combo, especially with LW.

While it doesn't really scale into the lategame that well, its absurd amounts of sustain, and consistent damage.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 05:05:34
March 03 2013 05:04 GMT
#537
On March 03 2013 13:52 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 13:48 jcc wrote:
Botrk is an incredible adc item now with that atk speed and new activatable. I'd put it as first item on vayne, maybe trist for the activate. But I feel ie is still best on most adcs first, and BT first is almost always best on draven or graves IMO.


I feel like BT is more for a stronger early game whereas BotRK scales much better.


On auto attacking ADs with few scaling spells BotRK is probably stronger because of the increased AS and the active. Best examples are probably Vayne, Trist, and Kog. Maybe Ashe.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 05:10:09
March 03 2013 05:09 GMT
#538
On March 03 2013 13:52 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 13:48 jcc wrote:
Botrk is an incredible adc item now with that atk speed and new activatable. I'd put it as first item on vayne, maybe trist for the activate. But I feel ie is still best on most adcs first, and BT first is almost always best on draven or graves IMO.


I feel like BT is more for a stronger early game whereas BotRK scales much better.

I think you're looking only at the 5% Current HP and not at the activation of BOTRK then. That activate is so strong.

Also worth noting that BT isn't extra strong until 30 CS AFTER you buy it.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 05:26:19
March 03 2013 05:25 GMT
#539
So, Karthus + 3x BotRK team comp? With BotRK it's really easy to drop champions from full to pretty low hp, but it's really bad at finishing them off. Situations with like 4 opponents at super low hp have happened far more often with BotRK than without, from what I can remember. Karthus also shouldn't be all that bad even in a vacuum...


Yeah the activate is strong but it's only 500 range, it's pretty risky. Still good against divers but if you don't deal enough damage, the active's not going to help you 1v4 even if the 4 opponents are at a low hp.
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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 05:35:11
March 03 2013 05:33 GMT
#540
Just tried Nashors+BotRK Kayle at Top (vs Irelia). Seemed pretty strong.

Was using Hybrid pen though, might try with AD/ArP and getting LW/BC afterwards.

edit: Has anyone done the maths for BotRK vs Liandry's on Kayle? Arpen Kayle fits pretty well with MF/Cleaver comps.
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