EPT[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 26
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 03 2013 11:15 Cixah wrote: Maybe its a newb trap, but it seems pretty good on paper. I'm not going to complain about free attack speed on an item i already built regularly on trist. Its a newb trap because, aisde from maybe Kog, Vayne, trist, its not good on paper. On March 03 2013 11:22 Ketara wrote: Wait, did BotRK rush go from completely overpowered to a noob trap in just one day? What? No, just lots of people doing math they don't understand, forgetting to take into account burst, item timing, AD scaling abilities allies, and other beneficial interactions, seeing that BotRK as a single item will kill many targets fastest.. when solely auto attacking them from full health and thinking its a must buy first item. Its good, but not that good. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On March 03 2013 10:55 overt wrote: I'm sure you could give just as many examples of champions who were considered weak on release who ended up just being weak too. Or who got so many buffs that eventually they got pretty good. Also Quinn's kit doesn't look good on paper. I dunno if your post was in reference to Quinn at all and I would agree that it's still too early to tell if she's good or bad but several people, myself included, said that her kit seems bad for an AD carry and thus far it seems to be true. Maybe she's good in a solo lane or maybe people just don't know how to play her yet but her kit and what I've seen of her leads me to believe she's not that great. Also Riven and Rengar at least got more than just animation changes they got straight buffs too lol. I actually think Quinn is weak and yes, my post was in reference to that. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Hurrah for resource stickies~ | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
I feel rushing it is overall solid, but it can be dealt with by not building as much health. Building it as a reactionary item seems fair enough. Also, make it cost more for god's sake. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 Goddamit Neo, you're too fast. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 03 2013 10:21 KissBlade wrote: BTW, I'm actually going to point out a counterargument to the whole "People complain about OP champions that look weak on release" and then cite Rengar, Riven, Vi as examples. Those champions were weak on release because of their animations or gameplay that did make them legitimately weak. Their kit on paper was overall strong. Notice that on release, all of those champions had something in common: their kit would make them move and combo extremely clunky due to their "self stun". Renekton actually suffers this as well in his w but he's just so well rounded in his overall kit that it doesn't make as much of a difference. I think you're too hasty to call those animation issues the CAUSE of those champs being weak. While I can't necessarily speak as easily to the Rengar/Riven examples, I know that Navi already more or less was abusing the hell out of Riven to raise rating before the hotfix. She was extremely powerful before the hotfix came into play and people legitimately just didn't notice because they weren't playing her right. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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discator
Germany639 Posts
Also I since I am fairly new, is this actionism style of patching new or has it always been that way? They nerfed warmogs regen from 1,5% to 1% this patch, which makes no sense to me, when the resistance items being bad compared to health items is the real problem. hell, its not even a problem lol. I kinda like Blizzards style of patching more, making little, semi-thoughtout changes (exept bunker changes ofc :D). | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 03 2013 11:22 Ketara wrote: Wait, did BotRK rush go from completely overpowered to a noob trap in just one day? What? I see Ezreals and Caitlyns getting it, even with a Bloodthirster already... That's just so bad. Also Vi definitely had animation issues, the E animation was even worse than Trundle's Q. The Q buff was a nice QoL change as well, but her kit ended up being too strong(It's still the correct move to buff the animations of course, and adjust elsewhere). | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
Edit: just saw the discussion abotu bortk being a good item. I guess my discussion is irrelevant if you think it's bad. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
I seem to remember people saying he was garbage during the first time of his release, and then people tried building ap rengar, having mixed success. Then they announced they were buffing his q, right after everyone said max q and he is fine. Then when the buff went through, he was just retarded. iunno though. He was a mess to sort out is all I can remember. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On March 03 2013 11:23 Goumindong wrote: Its a newb trap because, aisde from maybe Kog, Vayne, trist, its not good on paper. No, just lots of people doing math they don't understand, forgetting to take into account burst, item timing, AD scaling abilities allies, and other beneficial interactions, seeing that BotRK as a single item will kill many targets fastest.. when solely auto attacking them from full health and thinking its a must buy first item. Its good, but not that good. what a joke. it's a reasonable item without EITHER of the bonus effects. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 03 2013 12:11 discator wrote: Just wanted to drop how fun Vi is and everybody needs to get her. (I know im late lol). Can't. Permabanned. Fuck you LCS. :< Well, even then, they don't ban Xin, so... ban him rather than her. >_> Plus I got testing to do to keep the guide updated. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On March 03 2013 12:11 discator wrote: Just wanted to drop how fun Vi is and everybody needs to get her. (I know im late lol). Also I since I am fairly new, is this actionism style of patching new or has it always been that way? They nerfed warmogs regen from 1,5% to 1% this patch, which makes no sense to me, when the resistance items being bad compared to health items is the real problem. hell, its not even a problem lol. I kinda like Blizzards style of patching more, making little, semi-thoughtout changes (exept bunker changes ofc :D). My own problem with Warmog's is how much of a quick fix it is. For an item that is so core, it feels extremely cheap. It should be more of an investment if it is so core on every bruiser. Either increase the cost, or make it farmable for the max health. Something like +800 flat health, and then you need to farm the rest of it, like season two. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 03 2013 12:23 UniversalSnip wrote: what a joke. it's a reasonable item without EITHER of the bonus effects. On ADCs? No, if you don't synergize with it, it really isn't that good. Especially if your skills have AD ratios. ADCs generally cannot afford to buy utility over dps and it's very very weak at finishing people off. | ||
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