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Seems like it's just a case of the most popular 'news' source of the game aside from maybe the official site being indicative of a large part of the playerbase and their attitudes. It's far easier to moan and whine about how bad a job the balance team does, or how OP this and that is, and how hard(or not hard) so and so champ is to play, than it is to actually think about the game and reason out why shit is balanced the way it is.
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The subjects seem like perfectly valid complaints, despite the fact that the author does come through as a whiner, a lot of his points stand and shouldn't just be dismissed just due to poor writing style and nagging tone.
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On March 12 2013 10:36 Kupon3ss wrote:
The subjects seem like perfectly valid complaints, despite the fact that the author does come through as a whiner, a lot of his points stand and shouldn't just be dismissed just due to poor writing style and nagging tone.
I concur.
hashinshin might be a troll in solo q and has an inept attitude but he plays at a high level and is very in tune with what is problematic in solo queue.
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what should i max first on jungle j4, oddones guide says E but every other guide i found maxes Q first lol
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On March 12 2013 10:38 kongoline wrote:
what should i max first on jungle j4, oddones guide says E but every other guide i found maxes Q first lol
Check da J4 thread, ya noob.
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On March 12 2013 10:38 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 10:36 Kupon3ss wrote:
The subjects seem like perfectly valid complaints, despite the fact that the author does come through as a whiner, a lot of his points stand and shouldn't just be dismissed just due to poor writing style and nagging tone. I concur. hashinshin might be a troll in solo q and has an inept attitude but he plays at a high level and is very in tune with what is problematic in solo queue.
That's not untrue, but I think there is a ton of marginalizing going on in those posts specifically. KZ combo requires so much thought and preparation, but Talon just facerolls with a couple autos at will! Even some of the points he makes that seem 'good' and insightful are flat out wrong. Xin maybe use the exact same combo most of the time, but to say that there's no differentiation in skill use between good and bad Xin's is absurd, especially when it comes to ult and E usage.
In fact, there seems to be literally no coherent point to the post(champions playing themselves) as a whole. Imperfect synergy is fine and can create depth, so Riot make more champs like that? Oh wait, as you pointed out, there are recent champs that fit exactly that description, and there's no reason to believe there won't be more in the future. Is he trying to point out that some kits flow together better than others? Shocker of the century. He's clearly pandering to the 'omg Xin is braindead champ' crowd, and respecting that type of 'journalism' is pathetic.
I admittedly don't read any of RoG's stuff so maybe his other writing isn't just whine, but the 'champions that play themselves' article is exactly what the person who linked it described it as.
Edit: The playing to abuse article isn't really that bad, so maybe I'm not giving hasin a fair shake by reading into 1 article. His writing style is still awful though and makes me want to not read anything of his ever regardless =x.
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On March 12 2013 10:13 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 10:00 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 12 2013 09:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Akari stealth is easily dealt with at a competitive level. You can obviously see this in NA LCS where teams have pink wards prepared anytime they try to gank MegaZero's Akari. But unfortunately, Riot tends to buff/nerf champions with solo q in mind.
le sigh.
Solo queue: stealth duration will probably be nerfed
Competitive level: her burst could be toned down
Frankly, I'm for just leaving her alone. Riot plz.
Can't just ignore the majority of their player base  I know here we take the competitive aspect of the game seriously, but if Riot only nerfed champs based on how they are dealt with at the highest level of competitive play the amount of casual players would drop drastically. At the end of the day Riot still wants LoL to make them money. So many low levels play AP yi and AP sion and AP nunu yet no one is leaving the game for it. There's also Tryn, Yi and AD Sion who just split push, all day and get really strong if no one else on your team is able to stop them and since you can't follow them all game to deny their split push they eventually get too strong to deal with yet these guys don't get nerfed. There's a lot of stuff in this game that's annoying at low levels. Akali's shroud isn't the worst by a long shot. It's just that someone made a reddit post about Akali and a lot of people upvoted the comment so Akali's shroud is going to be logged as a higher priority issue. Then Riot balance group will discuss it and decide whether to nerf it. The post didn't even make sense. Akali's shroud isn't like Kha'Zix's or Rengar's or Twitch's or Eve's. Akali can only stealth in an area. Maybe Kha'zix should also follow the convention that getting attacked delays stealth. Why do we have champions that scale off of AD? They break conventions! Why do we have energy based champions? Conventions!
I don't think Akali's shroud is what makes her strong at low Elos, it's her entire kit. I'm gonna drop it now because the whole conversation is just going to go in circles but I don't think a minor nerf to make the game more enjoyable for newer/lower level players is as bad as a lot of people here make it out to be.
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I don't see the issue, hashinshin is a huge whiner but he usually has perfectly good points about the game
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The reason why Akali is so strong at low elos is because she has a ton of base damage and good scaling which are paired with an that makes it impossible to run away. At low elo people overextend and are out of position constantly so anything that can catch them while dealing a bunch of damage will do very well... meanwhile shroud = temporary invulnerability when there are no pink wards/oracles.
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On March 12 2013 11:05 phyvo wrote:
The reason why Akali is so strong at low elos is because she has a ton of base damage and good scaling which are paired with an that makes it impossible to run away. At low elo people overextend and are out of position constantly so anything that can catch them while dealing a bunch of damage will do very well... meanwhile shroud = temporary invulnerability when there are no pink wards/oracles.
... or aoes or skillshots. It's strong, but it's hardly an 8s Kayle ult if there's no vision.
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We're talking low elo players here. AoEs may hit but skillshots are just as likely to miss. The point is that shroud is pretty powerful at low elo compared to high elo.
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Look to the right, below the ad below the banner ad up top, at the most commented articles section. Then look at the authors of those articles. That's why Hashinshin still writes for RoG.
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Hashinshin is the reason Riot nerfs stuff so fast.
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On March 12 2013 11:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Hashinshin is the reason Riot nerfs stuff so fast.
But I don't even know what he doesn't want nerfed, except for Nasus. He has argued in favor of nerfing AD Carries, AP carries, Warmogs, Sunfire, Locket, Athenes, Olaf, Xin, on and on...
Like I think he just plays the game too much, so he get sick of things really fast.
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Uh... 'k, I'm all set and ready to believe that the difference between my mechanics and Hashinshin's can't even begin to be described by "huge", but when I read bullshit like that:
90% of the work for Talon is executing his combo properly. E auto Q W R wait auto Q. The opponent can do very little to stop you, and so long as you don't "drop the combo' you're going to achieve all your damage with no interruption and get the kill. Kha'zix on the other hand has to harass with W, has to choose when to go in. Has to maximize his slows via brush abuse. Has to ensure the opponent is isolated (possibly AoEing away minios near them.) Has to manage his ultimate properly.
- Kha'Zix's animations are extremely fast or "non-existent" (due to being usable during his leap) while Talon has pretty long wind-down on both E and W, and a longer wind-up on his aa (both will use their Q to reset/pseudo-reset their aa). While his "burst" combo is stronger than Kha'Zix, it's also significantly longer to pull off.
- Kha'Zix has a way out, with the reset on his E. Talon's "way out" is delaying the second tick of damage on his ult to run away while stealthed, thus increasing his combo's duration.
- Talon, like Zed, relies heavily on one spell to burst people down, his E. The damage amp. lasts 3 seconds, so a single cc (even a silence) will significantly drop his damage, especially late game, while Kha'Zix is far from suffering as much. Kha'Zix's burst being basically instantaneous makes him a lot less susceptible to clutch reactions once he leaps in.
- Maximise Kha'Zix slows? If he pokes, he doesn't care about the slows, that's for the all-in. He does care about the damage though.
- When all-ining, Kha'Zix gets increased damage through his ult, giving him a lot of sustain damage on top of his godlike burst. While also being a 2-3 times escape, and damage mitigation.
- Talon actually gets interrupted. The silence on his E is only 1s, enough to prevent somebody from flashing away before he can Q them, but not enough not to make champs like Mordekaiser, Diana or Lux pains in the ass as they'll mitigate a huge part of your burst through shields (Morde can also just ult you and kill you).
- Having the benefit of poke through W and dps through Q and passive gives Kha'Zix a lot more room to maneuver, while Talon is pretty much forced to rely on his teammates to soften targets, or being able to 100-0 them reliably (meaning even without his E if such a thing happens). This also constricts is itemisation a lot more, as you would never see a Talon with Tear to spam Rake. Rake is also shorter-ranged, and he lacks an escape, meaning Talon actually has a lot more to worry about regarding when to go in, namely the jungler.
Kha'Zix only goes in when he knows he'll be able to easily kill his opponent, thanks to the poke. This means even if the jungler is here, Kha'Zix should still have his ult to get away after the kill or, post-11, a reset on his jump to gtfo.
Lemme guess. Hashinshin being a top laner, he plays Kha'Zix but has never played Talon ('cept when he had godlike mp5 even allowing him to go top on release—amusingly enough, Darius can spam his Q the way Talon could use Rake, for a shorter range but much more damage).
On another note, QQ Amumu range nerf. I missed 3 ults because of that on my first post-nerf Amumu game.  Well I still hit all the other people present, but I missed an important one thrice.
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This akali pink ward thing reminds me of a game I played. The laner said he wanted a gank. I said it was pointless to gank akali because the laner didn't buy a pink. The laner said I should buy a pink to gank akali. No thanks, I think I'll not buy a pink and just gank a different lane, I'm not your body guard.
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I would be surprised if Riot actually takes hashinshin's opinion seriously.
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after playing few games with free week j4 i feel like i do twice the damage as on lee with the same items Oo
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hashinshin is huge famous whiner / flamer in solo q. not surprising about his tone throughout the piece.
his examples are not that good. probably not thought out of to the max but to make his point.
his points are valid. but he's always been one of the first to bandwagon the "OPs" and then cry when he gets ganked or w/e overextending.
overall 3/5 read would probably read once and forget about.
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Pretty excited for MLG Dallas, a lot of cool things going on. I'm especially excited for the exhibition tournament they are doing, dig v Gambit and Curse v KT Rolster B, winners play each other. Probably end up being Gambit v KT B but I think that would be a pretty cool match-up to watch. First time a lot of Western viewers are going to get a taste of KT B, hopefully they have a good showing.
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