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On March 12 2013 05:19 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:27 Alaric wrote:I was around 50k before buying Cass. Neo said sometimes he had something like 60-70k. Play more.  I think he has more than that now. It's pretty ridic. Regarding Nami: Nami is a very versatile support who can cover a lot of bases, and also offers a lot of zone control and utility. But her strength is exactly why she's under-represented. Why play Nami when you could be playing someone like Blitz/Thresh/Ali and make plays? At the same time, Lulu and Sona are already very well known champions who people are comfortable playing on and with while also crowding into the same strengths that Nami has. Simply understanding when you have kill/poke/tower potential and how each matchup is pretty important. At the same time, Nami has no defining lane partner. For example, Sona/Ez or Twitch/Lulu are both very powerful duo lanes that people understand and can execute to maximum potential. Nami on the other hand I think is going to need more time before figure out what matchups she actually works in. On a personal note, I think she might have potential as a partner to Koggles and as a counter to Taric but this is going into speculation since I've only played Nami twice.
I have around 100K atm. A few select champions that I don't play (mostly AP mids) that I don't own.
hashinshin probably has the most stocked IP that I've seen at 200K.
Akari nerfs on Shadow Shroud seems fair. Calling her OP is stretching it but from a gameplay perspective, random stealth => escape is pretty rage inducing.
Nami, Nami, Nami... still not sold on that mermaid. I like her kit but it feels entirely reactionary. I'd love to see a pro team pick her up as an anti-AoE comp. Her skills are just so hard to utilize offensively but makes much more sense defensively. But I'd imagine that defensive play is counter-intuitive to most Support mentalities.
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It was Alistar, but after he used his cc on me during a fight I killed Cait who was fighting me, and he didn't hit me once after I started exchanging hits with Cait (too busy running away). Cait didn't cait credited for the kill and didn't get an assist either, nor even a mention of her in the death recap so enough time passed. The only thing that Ali did that could have affected me was using his ult, but I wasn't in range of his passive (each of us on opposite sides of the lane at that time) and it didn't pop up in the death recap either.
He got credited a kill on Thresh but Thresh was in range of his passive and Ali did auto him a couple times while under the tower.
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On March 12 2013 08:39 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 05:19 MoonBear wrote:On March 12 2013 04:27 Alaric wrote:I was around 50k before buying Cass. Neo said sometimes he had something like 60-70k. Play more. I think he has more than that now. It's pretty ridic. Regarding Nami: Nami is a very versatile support who can cover a lot of bases, and also offers a lot of zone control and utility. But her strength is exactly why she's under-represented. Why play Nami when you could be playing someone like Blitz/Thresh/Ali and make plays? At the same time, Lulu and Sona are already very well known champions who people are comfortable playing on and with while also crowding into the same strengths that Nami has. Simply understanding when you have kill/poke/tower potential and how each matchup is pretty important. At the same time, Nami has no defining lane partner. For example, Sona/Ez or Twitch/Lulu are both very powerful duo lanes that people understand and can execute to maximum potential. Nami on the other hand I think is going to need more time before figure out what matchups she actually works in. On a personal note, I think she might have potential as a partner to Koggles and as a counter to Taric but this is going into speculation since I've only played Nami twice. I have around 100K atm. A few select champions that I don't play (mostly AP mids) that I don't own. hashinshin probably has the most stocked IP that I've seen at 200K. Akari nerfs on Shadow Shroud seems fair. Calling her OP is stretching it but from a gameplay perspective, random stealth => escape is pretty rage inducing. Nami, Nami, Nami... still not sold on that mermaid. I like her kit but it feels entirely reactionary. I'd love to see a pro team pick her up as an anti-AoE comp. Her skills are just so hard to utilize offensively but makes much more sense defensively. But I'd imagine that defensive play is counter-intuitive to most Support mentalities.
Akali mechanic change on shroud probably is needed, but should give some buff to it counter act the nerf. (like slight ms boost to her, in shroud?)
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Yeah she isn't already fast enough with the second highest base MS in the game, the slow in the shroud and her dashes.
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No akali buffs pls.The only champ that can piss off a person more than singed.
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I liked the stealth mechanic on shroud. Makes soo many cool plays :<
I'd honestly rather they do a VERY slight nerf on her passive magic damage. That way there's something to appease the unhappy people getting pub stomped, and leaves room for fun/cool plays with her shroud. Most of the complaints I see in normals or whatever are that she does too much damage, the shroud isn't really the problem IMO.
Sigh riot be nerfing all my favorite champs :/
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i liked the stealth mechanic on shroud because i like dropping a pinkward in there and ruining their day.
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Akari stealth is easily dealt with at a competitive level. You can obviously see this in NA LCS where teams have pink wards prepared anytime they try to gank MegaZero's Akari. But unfortunately, Riot tends to buff/nerf champions with solo q in mind.
le sigh.
Solo queue: stealth duration will probably be nerfed
Competitive level: her burst could be toned down
Frankly, I'm for just leaving her alone. Riot plz.
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On March 12 2013 09:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Akari stealth is easily dealt with at a competitive level. You can obviously see this in NA LCS where teams have pink wards prepared anytime they try to gank MegaZero's Akari. But unfortunately, Riot tends to buff/nerf champions with solo q in mind.
le sigh.
Solo queue: stealth duration will probably be nerfed
Competitive level: her burst could be toned down
Frankly, I'm for just leaving her alone. Riot plz.
But.. you just said... nvm
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'cept it's fucking expensive to spend 125 gold specifically to gank somebody and if he manages to escape anyway it's going to be even worse for you because of the gold loss.
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On March 12 2013 09:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Akari stealth is easily dealt with at a competitive level. You can obviously see this in NA LCS where teams have pink wards prepared anytime they try to gank MegaZero's Akari. But unfortunately, Riot tends to buff/nerf champions with solo q in mind.
le sigh.
Solo queue: stealth duration will probably be nerfed
Competitive level: her burst could be toned down
Frankly, I'm for just leaving her alone. Riot plz.
Can't just ignore the majority of their player base
I know here we take the competitive aspect of the game seriously, but if Riot only nerfed champs based on how they are dealt with at the highest level of competitive play the amount of casual players would drop drastically. At the end of the day Riot still wants LoL to make them money.
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On March 12 2013 09:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Akari stealth is easily dealt with at a competitive level. You can obviously see this in NA LCS where teams have pink wards prepared anytime they try to gank MegaZero's Akari. But unfortunately, Riot tends to buff/nerf champions with solo q in mind.
le sigh.
Solo queue: stealth duration will probably be nerfed
Competitive level: her burst could be toned down
Frankly, I'm for just leaving her alone. Riot plz.
If anything, she just needs something to account for the stealth buff that means u don't need a special, yet stupid, Akali rune page.
Also I think Phreak had like a ridiculous amount of IP last night when he was streaming with Smash.
Also I am still in favor of removing all stealth from LoL, but that is for another day.
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On March 12 2013 10:00 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 09:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Akari stealth is easily dealt with at a competitive level. You can obviously see this in NA LCS where teams have pink wards prepared anytime they try to gank MegaZero's Akari. But unfortunately, Riot tends to buff/nerf champions with solo q in mind.
le sigh.
Solo queue: stealth duration will probably be nerfed
Competitive level: her burst could be toned down
Frankly, I'm for just leaving her alone. Riot plz.
Can't just ignore the majority of their player base I know here we take the competitive aspect of the game seriously, but if Riot only nerfed champs based on how they are dealt with at the highest level of competitive play the amount of casual players would drop drastically. At the end of the day Riot still wants LoL to make them money.
So many low levels play AP yi and AP sion and AP nunu yet no one is leaving the game for it. There's also Tryn, Yi and AD Sion who just split push, all day and get really strong if no one else on your team is able to stop them and since you can't follow them all game to deny their split push they eventually get too strong to deal with yet these guys don't get nerfed.
There's a lot of stuff in this game that's annoying at low levels. Akali's shroud isn't the worst by a long shot. It's just that someone made a reddit post about Akali and a lot of people upvoted the comment so Akali's shroud is going to be logged as a higher priority issue. Then Riot balance group will discuss it and decide whether to nerf it.
The post didn't even make sense. Akali's shroud isn't like Kha'Zix's or Rengar's or Twitch's or Eve's. Akali can only stealth in an area. Maybe Kha'zix should also follow the convention that getting attacked delays stealth. Why do we have champions that scale off of AD? They break conventions! Why do we have energy based champions? Conventions!
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Ok, here is the link to the proposed changes for everyone to see
http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/92110-a-simple-fix-to-akali-really-just-one-small-change
Riot still hasnt officially said that it *will* be happening. Its just something they are willing to look at if it makes Akali's power level more consistent with other assassins, not to mention less frustrating to play. What they are talking about to change too is one of those invisible power things too - noone notices exactly how long it takes for her to destealth from shroud, just when she is destealthed - So she always travels deceptively farther than you would think she has the time too. Add to that her ult, flash, and then you cant really understand how the fuck she managed to get away.
Id almost call it a bug in that the effective range on the stealth is larger than the range on the shroud itself, which is rediculous when you think about how strong Shroud is in and of itself (Iol its practically an ultimate level skill - Kha'zix's ult is just a tamer version of this) even before the armor and mr. It also doesnt make any fucking sense - why should Akali have even more stealth after leaving shroud?
Honestly if i was going to nerf it though, Id lower the out of stealth duration by a fair amount (which is what I think riot will be looking to test on).
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Remove all stealth and the game will be a better place.
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On March 12 2013 10:07 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 09:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Akari stealth is easily dealt with at a competitive level. You can obviously see this in NA LCS where teams have pink wards prepared anytime they try to gank MegaZero's Akari. But unfortunately, Riot tends to buff/nerf champions with solo q in mind.
le sigh.
Solo queue: stealth duration will probably be nerfed
Competitive level: her burst could be toned down
Frankly, I'm for just leaving her alone. Riot plz.
If anything, she just needs something to account for the stealth buff that means u don't need a special, yet stupid, Akali rune page. Also I think Phreak had like a ridiculous amount of IP last night when he was streaming with Smash. Also I am still in favor of removing all stealth from LoL, but that is for another day.
wat, Rioters have haxed RP/IP. I honestly doubt most Rioters play that much on the live realm. There are a few exceptions like Smash, Janook, etc.
How to compete with free IP? ;_;
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Because his posts cover more popular subjects, more relatable and cause more discussion. Not to say they are better written or more worthy of praise or anything. They just have a wider appeal and bring more viewers.
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hashanin is pretty well-known for being an S-tier whiner. And somehow RoG lets him write for them.
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On March 12 2013 10:31 thenexusp wrote:hashanin is pretty well-known for being an S-tier whiner. And somehow RoG lets him write for them.
All about dem pages views. Lowest common denominator.
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