EPTone thing that confused me is that in the EG thread i saw people replying and arguing... and i've never seen those people in this thread, lol.
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
one thing that confused me is that in the EG thread i saw people replying and arguing... and i've never seen those people in this thread, lol. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On January 31 2013 04:09 Shadowpostin wrote: No not this exactly,because it doesn't apply just to us.......have you ever read the sc2 forum?It's 10× worse than ours. But those are people that play SC2 and participate in that forum. He's saying people that play LoL and browse TL but don't participate in the TL LoL Subforum are giving our small community a bad name. | ||
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Shadowpostin
Germany798 Posts
On January 31 2013 04:09 TheYango wrote: I think it's at least worth setting the record straight that the majority of the less civil responses he picked out do not represent TL LoL in any way. He can hate on LoL, sure, but hating on a part of TL... I mean he didn't actually say anything bad about us on the podcast if you listen to it.He just made the Giants-Jets anecdote and that was it,which made us look like die-hard fans and him as someone who overstepped his boundaries. The EG thread posts he made were just incontrol getting riled up for no reason,no one really called him out on anything and we all know he was never pro-LoL. It's kinda like when Huk joined EG and they were asking Idra how he feels about it because Huk clearly annoyed him at a point in time but it was never really something all too big for it to be called hate or anything.The funny part is just him denying having anything against huk and just twisting things around to make it seem like everything was just for show(which half of it partially was probably but still). No matter how much incontrol says he never said anything malicious about LoL,yea he kinda didn't,but still there was always this tone when talking about it that comes from every sc2 person,not just him. Out of all people I generally just like 2GD,because he openly shits on LoL every chance he gets and it's actually pretty hilarious at times,it's not pretty but at least he's honest and kinda funny in his own ignorance. On January 31 2013 04:23 onlywonderboy wrote: But those are people that play SC2 and participate in that forum. He's saying people that play LoL and browse TL but don't participate in the TL LoL Subforum are giving our small community a bad name. Yea..and that's like only his opinion if he genuinely thinks that and it has nothing to do with the truth as far as I can tell. As I said,he actually doesn't say anything bad about us on the podcast. | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On January 31 2013 04:02 Roffles wrote: As for my take, Incontrol's just another person out there who can't take some criticism. Yes, the criticism he receives is a lot of times unwarranted (especially in this context), but he's gotta be able to just look past that. He says he deleted his Reddit account because of haters, but in reality there's always gonna be haters out there. If you're a professional anything, people are gonna love you and hate you. He talks a lot about how League players are immature, but in my mind, his mindset is pretty unprofessional as well. Why can't you just embrace all the fans you have out there? You're just adding fuel to the fire by attacking back. There were many people in that thread with some solid and fair points, yet he was able to look past all of them and pick out the ones that were intended to make him angry. I remember him and Tyler (I think, not 100% sure who the second Pro was) talking on state of the game why they deleted their reddit accounts, haters were a part of it, but mostly they both agreed that as a professional (or even someone who just wants to be professional) they should never ever get into a flamewar with someone on reddit or a similar board. So if you have a problem with ragers (or are simply someone who likes to argue stuff) in such a situation it makes quite a bit of sense to delete your posting account so you cannot reply to someone whose post might infuriate you a lot. To a certain extent I agree with what he was saying back then, there simply is no winning a "flame war" except ignoring it and ideally never taking part in it at all. If any single post you make immediatly gets flamed to hell and back by retards you might as well stop posting in that forum/board/reddit completly. OTOH I'd hope we'd manage a different discourse on our relatively small sub section of TL. Frankly I'm quite certain that if we started to flame Inc in a thread where he was posting Neo would come down on us with the hammer. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 31 2013 04:02 Roffles wrote: As for my take, Incontrol's just another person out there who can't take some criticism. Yes, the criticism he receives is a lot of times unwarranted (especially in this context), but he's gotta be able to just look past that. He says he deleted his Reddit account because of haters, but in reality there's always gonna be haters out there. If you're a professional anything, people are gonna love you and hate you. He talks a lot about how League players are immature, but in my mind, his mindset is pretty unprofessional as well. Why can't you just embrace all the fans you have out there? You're just adding fuel to the fire by attacking back. There were many people in that thread with some solid and fair points, yet he was able to look past all of them and pick out the ones that were intended to make him angry. To be fair, I think a lot of people underestimate the internet and the pressure you experience when you're a public figure. It's very easy to point out that someone like Incontrol has problems handling criticism, and not necessarily incorrect, but it's another thing entirely to experience the relentless bile and irrational hatred that people will throw at you simply because. The internet can be a monsoon of stupid, and when it's directed at you personally it takes a very, very level head and a strong sense of personal identity to weather the attacks unscathed and hold true. We can talk about professionalism like it's a switch anyone can just flip and suddenly they're an impeccable person, but it's really a set of social skills and habits that take time to learn. That's not to excuse anything any given player or professional has ever done, but it seems like we often take the challenge of keeping a level head for granted when discussing these sorts of things. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 31 2013 04:38 Seuss wrote: To be fair, I think a lot of people underestimate the internet and the pressure you experience when you're a public figure. It's very easy to point out that someone like Incontrol has problems handling criticism, and not necessarily incorrect, but it's another thing entirely to experience the relentless bile and irrational hatred that people will throw at you simply because. The internet can be a monsoon of stupid, and when it's directed at you personally it takes a very, very level head and a strong sense of personal identity to weather the attacks unscathed and hold true. We can talk about professionalism like it's a switch anyone can just flip and suddenly they're an impeccable person, but it's really a set of social skills and habits that take time to learn. That's not to excuse anything any given player or professional has ever done, but it seems like we often take the challenge of keeping a level head for granted when discussing these sorts of things. Of course, but I reread that CLG EU signs with EG thread in TL LoL. One guy in like 3 pages called him like a court jester and he essentially used that sole post to say "Fuck you guys I'm done with this subforum because one guy insulted me". I read the pages after he posted, aside from a few off topic posts, the rest were either legitimate arguments or clarification of certain points mentioned by Inc. And then the next post of his is him getting all mad. If that's not an overreaction, then I don't know what is. For him to essentially generalize an entire subforum based off like 1-2 posts is just insane. And then to go on complaining and whining about it is pretty meh. People disrespect him around here because of prior hate, and the fact that he has the balls to flat out lie to you and say "I never hated LoL" or something along those lines when he clearly speaks in a tone as if LoL is an inferior game. I agree that people shouldn't be ripping on Incontrol and his SC2 achievements, as that's too far, but calling him out on shit he's said in the past about League and disagreeing with his views should be fair game. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
i feel like she gets countered in lane by negatron and sustain | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Any thoughts/tips ? | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
so I had to test it further, the phrase "tons of damage" yields a single result, that naturally being triforce. if you misspell any part of it, nothing shows up :D | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 31 2013 04:55 mr_tolkien wrote: So. I'm trying to pick up trynda top atm. Any thoughts/tips ? Take a look at what monte posted about Trynd in the TROLLS thread - I think he has some neat ideas about Tryndamere over there. (Gist of it: start with some AP to use only as a sustain+trading tool, build AD.) | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I don't really see why Neo needs to go and write a clarification on our behalf, because he was essentially looking for flamebait to legitimize his past negative reactions towards our community. The high road is all well and good, but Incontrol is taking a whole different freeway. Now that they've acquired CLG.EU he is looking to appear more moderate and so traipses into our little forum 'arms open and accepting' and what does he find? I will agree that the shit talking is not necessary nor warranted, but I will also say that we do not need to appeal to him and his followers either. We've been hated on forever and we will continue to persevere beyond this point; whether the majority of TL or EG or other SC2 players accept us is entirely up to them but should not matter to us in any way. | ||
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Shadowpostin
Germany798 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I think the most sensible post (and approach) in the thread was this one, which was open to discussion and trying to point out how misunderstandings can be overcome. Obviously Inc didn't fire the first rounds, but he blanketed the floor with gunpowder assuming it was a non-smoking room, and he was answered by trigger-happy people—that didn't really care was it was as long as it could get ignited. Also those: On January 31 2013 04:03 TheYango wrote: The one thing that bothers me about these kinds of discussions on TL outside of our subforum is that there end up being a lot of LoL players that don't post/participate on our subforum that shit-talk/flame/write poorly-thought-out responses to those threads that invite a poor impression of TL LoL. They're not active members of TL LoL, but they create a poorer impression of us because they're on TL and they play LoL. On January 31 2013 04:23 kainzero wrote: i read the EG thread... one thing that confused me is that in the EG thread i saw people replying and arguing... and i've never seen those people in this thread, lol. Same reaction. I was ready to be saddened by the way we brand ourselves as an open and kind little community while lashing out so thoughtlessly at people, then I double-checked and "Wait... I never saw those guys post in the GD thread or elsewhere". And we can't even really point that out when talking about us because, at least in my case, I didn't even know one could get this kind of reaction to warn people "prefer thread Y, there're more regulars there". Inc. should be clearer about the meanings/concepts he intends when he addresses a "new audience" (as in LoL-focused readers probably didn't have any particular interest in reading his blog beforehand), so the kind of misunderstandings that can come from "casual" being perceived as the usual insult from non-LoL players when he means it in a different manner can be avoided. He also probably shouldn't reel as hard when addressed as he was in the thread, as it'll only feed a vicious circle. On the other hand, the (not new in any way) statement he made about why pros don't belong to boards has foundations. Sure he shouldn't reel that hard, but we all known that nobody's perfect and as long as somebody's involved, having to put up with that kind of reactions and managing to constantly ignore all of them without letting them get to one's head can't be reliably expected. If he gets "welcomed" that way even if he tries to come in openly and making the effort to expose his views thoroughly he won't have much incentive to keep doing it. (This coming from somebody who doesn't particularly like Eg or Inc, nor the way he expresses himself.) | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
"Hey guys, sorry I said the things I did. Now help me learn what I was wrong about." Or something to that effect. Although that would probably be conditioned on his getting an account and actually TRYING to learn the game, at least a little bit. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13956 Posts
If he doesn't understand how condescending he sounds hes an idoit. The fact that he gets so utterly defensive about it after 3 posts just shows so much about it. Even Idra who should be a lot larger of a dick about it is tons more civil and a nice guy. Complains that his shit is taken out of context and decides to take everyone else out of context. You really don't go into a giants bar and yell "go jets!" the same as you don't go into tl.lol and say "you know lol is just for casual unprofessional mechanically undemanding pros that can't hack in in these other awesome games of sc2 and dota2 right? Why are you hating on me for stating facts bro?" The fact that he miss's him explaining exactly what he did wrong just astounds me. If you want to go into a giants bar and ask about the team just don't wear your tebow jersey and talk about how eli is the worse manning brother. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 31 2013 05:08 Two_DoWn wrote: If he honestly wanted to be welcomed all it would take, at least in this board, would be a: "Hey guys, sorry I said the things I did. Now help me learn what I was wrong about." Or something to that effect. Although that would probably be conditioned on his getting an account and actually TRYING to learn the game, at least a little bit. By the LoL subforum regulars, yeah. But I'm gonna echo the earlier sentiment of 'who are these people posting in the EG thread I don't recognize them' >_> | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
it's more like foreigners going to vancouver and then rioting when the canucks lose in the playoffs and then all the vancouver citizens have to clean up the city | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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