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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
January 30 2013 21:00 GMT
#3941
On January 31 2013 05:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 05:43 Ketara wrote:
Psh naw. Froggen so sexy.

http://i.imgur.com/OV0q5.jpg Mmmmmm


Holy christ my eyez

Ares just jizzed
Cackle™
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
January 30 2013 21:02 GMT
#3942
Is it just me or streams not working from solomid.net. Works fine on teamliqiud...
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
January 30 2013 21:04 GMT
#3943
Brb ripping out my eyes
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 30 2013 21:10 GMT
#3944
On January 31 2013 05:26 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 04:58 sylverfyre wrote:
On January 31 2013 04:55 mr_tolkien wrote:
So. I'm trying to pick up trynda top atm.

Any thoughts/tips ?

Take a look at what monte posted about Trynd in the TROLLS thread - I think he has some neat ideas about Tryndamere over there. (Gist of it: start with some AP to use only as a sustain+trading tool, build AD.)

Yeah I saw that and it works pretty well, but I'm facing a few problems :
How to trade as Trynda ?
How to teamfight as Trynda ?
When do you stop farming as Trynda ?


Trading: When against other melee champions, you just walk up to them and start the beatings. When W fades or their cooldowns are close to coming back up you E away. Because of W, your innately high auto-damage, the damage from E, and your healing from Q you should have won the trade. Keep spamming Q to heal up as you last-hit, and repeat the trade until you beat your opponent.

When against ranged champions you have to be a little more clever. You either have to run straight at them with W ready to slow them if they start trying to kite, or E to close the gap. Both options are substantially better if you can use the bushes as either an attack or escape vector.

With the setup I documented in T.R.O.L.L.S. I ran a Cloth Armor + 5 Pot Darius out of potions without much issue. (SEE: http://www.twitch.tv/montegomerylol/b/362115117 @2:10:00)

Teamfighting: You're not really a bruiser or tank, so leave the tanking to the professionals whenever possible. You're just as happy beating on whoever is chasing your ranged AD as you are going after theirs, so who you target is going to depend on who you can reach safely. You may have a get out of death free ticket in the form of your ultimate, but those 5 seconds can pass in a hurry.

A lot of your teamfighting depends on game circumstances. If you team is really behind, as mine was, you can't really play as boldly as I tried to.

Farming: This is similar to most top lanes. If you have a big advantage over your opponent and a key item which makes you a lethal threat to others, start shoving waves and roaming/stealing jungle. If you've taken top turret, shove waves and roam. Just don't miss creep build-ups.


I'm not really an expert on this yet as top is my worst lane, but that's how I've made it work so far.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
January 30 2013 21:12 GMT
#3945
Pretty neat article on ESPN about league [particularly about the LCS]
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/tech/post/_/id/3979/league-of-legends-mimics-regular-sports

It doesn't have a whole lot of content - mostly just some quotes from an interview with Dustin Beck (Riot's VP of e-sports), but it's overall a very positive and revealing article about esports, something that doesn't happen every day.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
January 30 2013 21:13 GMT
#3946
On January 31 2013 05:31 sylverfyre wrote:
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On January 31 2013 05:28 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 31 2013 04:53 kainzero wrote:
i've been playing elise a lot since release and now she's almost permaban status =\

i feel like she gets countered in lane by negatron and sustain


Opening with Sorc shoes and Guise means that building MR isnt going to work against her.
Q spells makes building HP not work
And sustain? She can do 8% of your hp every 6 seconds. Thats some godly level of sustain you need to achieve.

No. Elise Opening Sorc Shoes and Guise mean that MR is MANDATORY against her. Flat MPen is less of an increase in damage on a high MR target compared to on a low MR target. She will WRECK you if you only have your innate + runes/masteries MR. Redo your math, realize MR is the correct option, then buy null mantle/Negatron (whichever you can work into a useful item on your character)

yeah i don't see why people think MR is ineffective against MPen. it makes MPen less useful.

is it time for math?


here is level 6 shen with mercs and nega vs elise with guise + sorcs. the 1st number is mercs and nega, the 2nd number is without. assume flat MR on shen + 5 MR mastery, and elise with MPen quints/marks and MPen 8% mastery.

shen max HP = current = 938

neurotoxin level
1 76.32059533 125.7422596
2 103.7872203 170.9949921
3 131.2538453 216.2477247
4 158.7204703 261.5004573
5 186.1870953 306.7531898
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
January 30 2013 21:14 GMT
#3947
speaking of shen, shen vs elise max w trololol good luck wit that harass
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 30 2013 21:14 GMT
#3948
wtb interview with Dustin Beck. :O
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22352 Posts
January 30 2013 21:16 GMT
#3949
On January 31 2013 05:31 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 05:28 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 31 2013 04:53 kainzero wrote:
i've been playing elise a lot since release and now she's almost permaban status =\

i feel like she gets countered in lane by negatron and sustain


Opening with Sorc shoes and Guise means that building MR isnt going to work against her.
Q spells makes building HP not work
And sustain? She can do 8% of your hp every 6 seconds. Thats some godly level of sustain you need to achieve.

No. Elise Opening Sorc Shoes and Guise mean that MR is MANDATORY against her. Flat MPen is less of an increase in damage on a high MR target compared to on a low MR target. She will WRECK you if you only have your innate + runes/masteries MR. Redo your math, realize MR is the correct option, then buy null mantle/Negatron (whichever you can work into a useful item on your character)


Im not saying you shouldnt be building MR. i was responding to the argument that bying a Negatron would counter Elise in lane. and since she builds a lot of mpen its not going to counter it. Ofc you need to buy it to not get destroyed but simply buying it wont stop her from having excellent harass.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 30 2013 21:16 GMT
#3950
On January 31 2013 06:14 Slayer91 wrote:
speaking of shen, shen vs elise max w trololol good luck wit that harass


This makes too much sense, hue.
Too bad Neurotoxin's projectile isn't too apparent but yes, in an offline situation, this is the appropriate play obviously.

<3
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22352 Posts
January 30 2013 21:17 GMT
#3951
On January 31 2013 06:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
wtb interview with Dustin Beck. :O


Go mail him linking the recap's TL LoL has made and ask for an interview? :p
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 30 2013 21:19 GMT
#3952
On January 31 2013 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 06:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
wtb interview with Dustin Beck. :O


Go mail him linking the recap's TL LoL has made and ask for an interview? :p


If only they already saw them. T_T Then they could tell US we could interview them.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 21:21:00
January 30 2013 21:19 GMT
#3953
On January 31 2013 06:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 06:14 Slayer91 wrote:
speaking of shen, shen vs elise max w trololol good luck wit that harass


This makes too much sense, hue.
Too bad Neurotoxin's projectile isn't too apparent but yes, in an offline situation, this is the appropriate play obviously.

<3


its pretty obvious if you've been ass raped by elise for 10 minutes straight numerous times with other champs
i mentioned it because I was wondering why nobody abused shens 250 shield on a 5 second cooldown and it worked like a charm

still cant beat elise straight up because fuck that hero it's like playing 1v2 in engages

she can try to juke with auto hits but the animation is slightly different iirc
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 30 2013 21:22 GMT
#3954
On January 31 2013 06:19 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 06:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 31 2013 06:14 Slayer91 wrote:
speaking of shen, shen vs elise max w trololol good luck wit that harass


This makes too much sense, hue.
Too bad Neurotoxin's projectile isn't too apparent but yes, in an offline situation, this is the appropriate play obviously.

<3


its pretty obvious if you've been ass raped by elise for 10 minutes straight numerous times with other champs
i mentioned it because I was wondering why nobody abused shens 250 shield on a 5 second cooldown and it worked like a charm

still cant beat elise straight up because fuck that hero it's like playing 1v2 in engages

she can try to juke with auto hits but the animation is slightly different iirc

'cause permaban?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
January 30 2013 21:26 GMT
#3955
he's more like banned a lot of the time but not always especially if people want to ban specific things kind of champ

you see him semi regularly in both solo q and competitive, as in, more than most champions, but less than the really popular but never banned champs (like taric or something)
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 30 2013 21:28 GMT
#3956
On January 31 2013 06:26 Slayer91 wrote:
he's more like banned a lot of the time but not always especially if people want to ban specific things kind of champ

you see him semi regularly in both solo q and competitive, as in, more than most champions, but less than the really popular but never banned champs (like taric or something)


At ~1400 Shen's pretty much always banned along with Amumu, Malphite. Common bans include Kha/Elise/Blitz.

I don't understand why people ban Malph. It isn't that hard to not get hit by his ult :/
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 21:32:09
January 30 2013 21:31 GMT
#3957
I stopped banning Malph a while ago. That means I get to choose another ban if the enemy team doesn't ban him. I still ban Shen because... I dunno. I don't ban out summoner teleport or Karthus who overlap with his ult's utility. Nor do I ban Olaf's raidboss potential. But Shen feels more "threatening" in the "can't really trust the pick-up who'll play top with that" kind of way.
Also Elise.

I don't ban Eve because when I pick mid it's usually Viktor or Swain (or Ryze in ranked) so I'm confident I can if not crush her, at least outfarm/control her.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 30 2013 21:48 GMT
#3958
On January 31 2013 06:12 sylverfyre wrote:
Pretty neat article on ESPN about league [particularly about the LCS]
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/tech/post/_/id/3979/league-of-legends-mimics-regular-sports

It doesn't have a whole lot of content - mostly just some quotes from an interview with Dustin Beck (Riot's VP of e-sports), but it's overall a very positive and revealing article about esports, something that doesn't happen every day.


By the way, who is :


One story Riot will be pushing includes the founder of a team whose parents stopped talking to him when he decided to pursue “League of Legends” as a profession. His franchise is now worth more than a million dollars, according to Riot.


I though HSGG's parents were managers and Regi is obviously not the answer (unless they also disowned Dan).
Freeeeeeedom
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 30 2013 21:49 GMT
#3959
^ Quote from Reddit

"2 years ago Dan stated in a video that their parents did not agree with what they were doing... so i think it's Reginald's story"
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 30 2013 21:50 GMT
#3960
I thought Dlift was the one who's parents disowned him but he doesn't own a franchise does he?
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