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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 22:50:45
January 30 2013 22:45 GMT
#3981
On January 31 2013 07:42 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 07:39 Sermokala wrote:
http://venturebeat.com/2013/01/29/league-of-legends-season-3-taking-the-e-out-of-e-sports/

Pretty crazy interview about just how high riot is shooting now with s3.


But I LIKE the 'e'.

+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty cool shit.

No matter how popular it gets, I have a hard time believing the public masses would accept video games as a sport on the same level as football or baseball.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 22:55:26
January 30 2013 22:46 GMT
#3982
I'm talking about solo que Elise. I know she's pretty broken when you're with a coordinated team. The Nidalee comparison is actually pretty apt- I've seen a lot of Elise's off split pushing all day long because they're trying to avoid 5v5 because it is awkward and it's just easier to 1v1.

I've had reasonable success with Shen, Jax, and Garen. I mean, she still pushes them out of lane super easily, but you can farm well enough that you can stack MR and just survive laning without getting absolutely mauled. Shen is probably the strongest out of those.

Also, I can verify the fact that Vlad is horrific against her. At least with normal runes.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 30 2013 22:49 GMT
#3983
I feel elise is only a problem now, because Riot nerfed the living shit out sustain (outside of pots/flask).
If they increased early level health regen from items like Philo, then elise wouldn't be as big of a problem.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 23:11:57
January 30 2013 22:50 GMT
#3984
I just read the espn article and I was stunned by that part:
Beck also notes that League of Legends and StarCraft were considered for the 2016 Olympics — “they were talking about it” — and he’s confident Riot Games has stepped up to that necessary next level for Season 3.

Did anyone else react to it?

On January 31 2013 07:35 Slayer91 wrote:
Pantheons teamfighting is kinda strong if you know what you're doing. His E is crazy, and his ult lets you set up an initiate as well.

Elise has a kit thats great for harassing down and then finishing off targets, but for straight up fights she doesn't really work that well.

It's dumb to compare nidalee who has massive scaling on a huge range nuke to elise with a shitty short range current hp based nuke and a skillshot stun. She has her homing spider tho that's kinda annoying

Yeah that's why I compared to Panth: Q is spammable and very strong in lane, but you lose that aspect in teamfights because the second who walk up to Q somebody any skillshot and most click'n'point are able to hit you (even ranged champ's autos since the animation isn't instant or anything). Have a spell like Seismic Shard or Rune Prison hit you, or a MF tag you with red buff, and you set up an initiation for them. It's kinda the same for Elise, 'cept with 50 more range and a quicker animation but still not enough.

Panth can initiate and blow up people with enough damage, but past some point you'll get cc'd as soon as you W in or start E and blow up (seriously, Elise in spider form is innately tankier than Panth... ), I was referring more to that part, past 20-30 minutes, where you can't just rush in anymore and have to use more "finesse" in your playstyle as Panth.

On January 31 2013 07:46 zer0das wrote:
I've had reasonable success with Shen, Jax, and Garen. I mean, she still pushes them out of lane super easily, but you can farm well enough that you can stack MR and just survive laning without getting absolutely mauled. Shen is probably the strongest out of those.

She smashed my MR blues/quints 9-21-0 Jax starting flask. I decided I had enough MR from that and rushed a vamp scepter to try and sustain between hits, didn't work well (can't "sustain" when everytime you're in range to hit something you take a QW to the face, I mean even Pantheon and Wukong run oom in due time, and Talon actually has cooldowns), so I should have added a negatron on top of that (forgoing the vamp), relied on health pots for the sustain and just pushed to tower, backed, and repeat all day?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 23:08:12
January 30 2013 23:05 GMT
#3985
I generally start null magic mantle against her as Jax and then get another one, then start working on bilgewater cutlass. And then get a negatron cloak after that. You don't have to stick around in lane with her for a long time- just need enough for your next item (and pots and wards). I don't think sustain is particularly useful early on.

I realize that might seem like extreme overkill, but most Elises get haunting guise, so you really have to get a lot of mr or you're just going to get wrecked.

I mean, even on Garen I go triple null magic mantles and turn that into merc treads/bulwark. I think that speaks volumes about how obnoxious she is.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 30 2013 23:07 GMT
#3986
Xj9 on his new smurf account has 21 wins and 1 loss in ranked so far, pretty sick.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 30 2013 23:10 GMT
#3987
his vi stats LOL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 30 2013 23:15 GMT
#3988
How the fuck does voyboy make ryze top work? O.o
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 30 2013 23:15 GMT
#3989
Those are some jungle Vi stats to aspire to, bly.
Hop to it.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 23:18:25
January 30 2013 23:16 GMT
#3990
Who does he pick it against? It's not like the champs that could outsustain him can still sustain well, he outranges Darius, can already fight the likes of Nidalee and Teemo, and amongst the other popular top laners not much can gapclose as well as Jax/Garen/Irelia usually do, do they?

What gives me the most trouble with Ryze currently is toggling Muramana. Don't have enough practice with it, I end up letting in on when I farm between fights, and forgetting to turn it back on when a teamfight erupts suddenly. Makes for some unreliable performances. x)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 23:22:35
January 30 2013 23:18 GMT
#3991
i haven't had much teamfight experience as elise because i've been winning midgame, but you either have to play her as an ap caster tossing in your spiders and neurotoxins and then spider-forming when they dive you or your ad carry, or as an assassin, entering fights in awkward angles (rappel in or not is a decision you have to make) and sniping their ad with a full combo.

in the one game i played with sylverfyre, swim told me to go sorc's > warmogs > guise instead of sorc's > guise > warmogs and it's been working really well, in lane or jungle it's a better build up and guise starts to wreck in midgame fights when you pick it up.

biggest mistakes i've seen and made are trying to initiate , or going in too early with spiderform venomous bite. even with mogs/rylai's you're not THAT tanky, and you give up a lot of neurotoxin damage when you go in like that. it does take some experience knowing when you're supposed to wreck face with spider and when you're supposed to hang back in human.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 30 2013 23:18 GMT
#3992
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/br/981071#ranked-stats
WTF
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 30 2013 23:19 GMT
#3993
Is it the 0-1 Mordekaiser that's irking you?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 30 2013 23:21 GMT
#3994
On January 31 2013 08:15 wei2coolman wrote:
How the fuck does voyboy make ryze top work? O.o


Voy can make anything work top in Solo Q. What he said earlier was that blue side he can plant one ward and be really safe then asks mid laner to pick something not mana intensive so he can grab blue. From there he wrecks
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 30 2013 23:21 GMT
#3995
no its the 93 wins 6 losses Xin Zhao

looks like you found a manly manly braz. player :D although most of those wins are premade 3v3's no idea how strong xin is in 3v3
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 23:23:54
January 30 2013 23:23 GMT
#3996
Hes playing ryze vs lee sin right now and pretty much crushed him in lane, though he was getting all the blue buffs over Lux
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 30 2013 23:28 GMT
#3997
On January 31 2013 08:23 Louuster wrote:
Hes playing ryze vs lee sin right now and pretty much crushed him in lane, though he was getting all the blue buffs over Lux

Part of it was he got early doublebuff from killing enemy jungler early on, and pushed that advantage hard.
Then got blue's after blues.
Very impressive that he's able to abuse his early advantage with someone like Ryze, who's pretty vulnerable to ganks.
liftlift > tsm
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 23:52:42
January 30 2013 23:39 GMT
#3998
Well the rest of his team sure is trying hard to throw this game

On a somewhat related note, I'm really liking Voyboy's stream because he always focuses on his own play and how he could've played things differently rather than deflect blame on his teammates. Like his jungler comes for a bad gank and gets them killed, he might make a quick comment about how maybe this wasn't the best gank ever but he will focus a lot more on his own positioning and use of his cooldowns, which is refreshing to hear on a league stream.
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
January 30 2013 23:41 GMT
#3999
On January 31 2013 07:50 Alaric wrote:
I just read the espn article and I was stunned by that part:
Show nested quote +
Beck also notes that League of Legends and StarCraft were considered for the 2016 Olympics — “they were talking about it” — and he’s confident Riot Games has stepped up to that necessary next level for Season 3.

Did anyone else react to it?

Old news brah.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
January 31 2013 00:15 GMT
#4000
On January 31 2013 07:50 Alaric wrote:
I just read the espn article and I was stunned by that part:
Show nested quote +
Beck also notes that League of Legends and StarCraft were considered for the 2016 Olympics — “they were talking about it” — and he’s confident Riot Games has stepped up to that necessary next level for Season 3.

Did anyone else react to it?

There was a thread about it in SC2 general iirc. The general consensus of the thread (and I agree with it) is that SC and League don't really belong in the Olympics, as I believe that the point of the Olympics is to celebrate the physical feats of strength and skill of human beings, which isn't really the point of esports.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
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