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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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seanisgrand
United States1039 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On January 09 2013 23:20 OutlaW- wrote: Guess what, 6 people out of 10 have warmogs right now, including both AD carries. And people called Yango a troll. Makes me happy. Dissenting opinions are great and all (= most people), but y'all should know better than to call possibly the best theorycrafter in this subforum a troll. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
http://lol.garena.tw/news/news_info.php?nid=1341&menu=1 | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
And woong just needs to avoid throwing. It does prove one point: Sometimes what you need is not more dmg. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
Critthirster BFS + longsword + brawler's glove + 650g +70 AD +12% crit chance Grants 1 stack per kill, up to a max of 30. Each stack gives +1 AD and +0.2% crit. Lose half stacks on death. Would this be core on AD? | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On January 09 2013 23:31 nojitosunrise wrote: Riot and Garena might be pursuing legal action against TTesports http://lol.garena.tw/news/news_info.php?nid=1341&menu=1 TTesports have always been kinda known to be slightly shady - from the whole drama with the amateur team to them making supposedly poor-quality keyboards. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On January 09 2013 23:32 cascades wrote: I wouldn't call it definite proof of anything. Warmogs should have definitely been core on Urgot even on s2. It wasn't because bad theorycrafters gg. And woong just needs to avoid throwing. It does prove one point: Sometimes what you need is not more dmg. It's not definite proof. It's not even good theorycrafting vs. bad: everyone in that discussion had a point (even if it wasn't super respectfully presented, by anyone). It's the difference between people being obscenely rude and not. Just poetically satisfying to see that in pro matches after the (very smart) guy who touted it was unjustly labelled a troll, that's all. On January 09 2013 23:31 nojitosunrise wrote: Riot and Garena might be pursuing legal action against TTesports http://lol.garena.tw/news/news_info.php?nid=1341&menu=1 Whomp whomp. Think they weren't gonna notice those TT? Pretty blatant. >_< | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Lots of champs have way better tanking + damage + cc capacity late game than post-rework jax. Before the rework, he was god late game because of a low CD AoE stun, free thousands of HPs, and 0 reliancy on an ulti, just raw damage. But to me a 6 items Wukong or Olaf looks WAY scarier than a 6 item Jax. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
He IS a very well scaling bruiser now, high enough damage and survivability to perform brilliantly against assasins AND his E helps him a lot against AD carries. But yeah, he is nowhere near being a hypercarry that casters oh-so-often pretend he is. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On January 09 2013 23:49 Scip wrote: It comes from 1. waaaaay back when Jax could dodge tower shots and 2. waay back when Jax got HP from AP and AD and had 18% dodge chance from skills and an AoE stun that had like 6 second cooldown in a teamfight. Yeah, he scaled pretty well back then. He IS a very well scaling bruiser now, high enough damage and survivability to perform brilliantly against assasins AND his E helps him a lot against AD carries. But yeah, he is nowhere near being a hypercarry that casters oh-so-often pretend he is. Yeah but the real question is : who does he outscale in the end ? Many bruiser scale very well, many have lots of damage WHILE building survivability, and he isn't anything near an «anti-AD» even though his E allows him to not take focus for a guaranteed 2s. But good dodges with Panth do that, with the peel from BC which will incredibly help the time, crazy split-push potential, and the capacity to instant-kill any squishy if he lands a good ult in a teamfight. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 09 2013 23:39 thenexusp wrote: How important is lifesteal on AD carries? If there was an item that was Critthirster BFS + longsword + brawler's glove + 650g +70 AD +12% crit chance Grants 1 stack per kill, up to a max of 30. Each stack gives +1 AD and +0.2% crit. Lose half stacks on death. Would this be core on AD? Probably, but people would still pick up a vamp scepter, even if they were just gonna sit on it all day. When you have so much autoattack damage, lifesteal is the most efficient defensive stat - moreso because you can get it on offensive items. It helps keep in the fight during a pre-fight poking contest. It helps you man up and just kill that bruiser diving you when your support CCs them. You can go take a jungle camp at half health and come back with full health. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On January 09 2013 23:54 sylverfyre wrote: Probably, but people would still pick up a vamp scepter, even if they were just gonna sit on it all day. When you have so much autoattack damage, lifesteal is the most efficient defensive stat - moreso because you can get it on offensive items. It helps keep in the fight during a pre-fight poking contest. It helps you man up and just kill that bruiser diving you when your support CCs them. You can go take a jungle camp at half health and come back with full health. On eyeball, doesn't look better than IE so no. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 09 2013 23:53 mr_tolkien wrote: Yeah but the real question is : who does he outscale in the end ? Many bruiser scale very well, many have lots of damage WHILE building survivability, and he isn't anything near an «anti-AD» even though his E allows him to not take focus for a guaranteed 2s. But good dodges with Panth do that, with the peel from BC which will incredibly help the time, crazy split-push potential, and the capacity to instant-kill any squishy if he lands a good ult in a teamfight. Jax always feels strong to me because, like Lee but to a lesser extent, he just has a lot of good things in his kit. Free tankiness for building damage, one of the best defensive tools in the form of dodge, burst from QW + R passive, sustained damage from free AS + W attack reset + R passive procs, an AoE stun that's more or less on demand, and one of the best mobility tools in the game. I can't name many bruisers that have that much free (mixed) damage tied in with good mobility, a semi-initiation, and free defenses. Also, as someone mentioned, he has really good base stats. I think he's balanced enough, but it's plain to see why his kit is on the stronger end of things. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13738 Posts
That way you know what hes saying is right. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On January 09 2013 23:43 mr_tolkien wrote: I got a question : a few pages ago, I read about Jax as «one of the best late scaling» blah blah but honestly, where does it come from ? Lots of champs have way better tanking + damage + cc capacity late game than post-rework jax. Before the rework, he was god late game because of a low CD AoE stun, free thousands of HPs, and 0 reliancy on an ulti, just raw damage. But to me a 6 items Wukong or Olaf looks WAY scarier than a 6 item Jax. Wukong is arguably the strongest team fighting bruiser. His 1v1 potential is nice, but he gets outclassed by people like Jax+Irelia. That ulti at level 3 is absolutely terrifying if you have BC+LW and hit 3+ people with it in a team fight. Plus you build like GA and have one million armor+mr because of his passive. | ||
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