[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 271

On December 04 2012 05:13 TheYango wrote:
Philo's not looking great either, TBH, given how they totally gutted Shurelyas' cost-effectiveness.

On December 04 2012 02:51 Ketara wrote:
I want to try a no jungler game with somebody someday, with 2 supports. I've got this crazy idea for it. Might be terrible but I want to do it so I can stop thinking about it.

You take a top laner who is weak early and requires a lot of farm, and a second support who is bruisery and can initiate but doesn't need farm (Leona almost def.)

You then play super aggressive top lane, idea being to force the enemy jungler to focus up there, making it essentially a 2v2, only your duo has synergy that their duo does not.

The comp idea I have for it is:
Leona / Gangplank (top)
Twisted Fate (mid)
Soraka / Sivir (bot)

Early game Leona/GP/TF kill blue at level 1 and give the first blue to TF, allowing him to ignore blue cards and push lane real hard. Soraka/Sivir is a naturally aggressive and pushy bot lane. Leona zones the enemy top laner and GP can free farm. Every 5 mins Leona goes down to help TF with blue.

Mid game every lane has a global ult they can use to help the other lanes. All 3 lanes are good at pushing towers and just get the towers down as fast as possible, reducing the amount of time where the enemy jungler ganking is a relevant issue.

Late game, both GP and Sivir have attack speed buffs, and GP/Sivir/TF can all scale off attack speed. Leona initiates into a GP ult, and GP/Sivir/TF stack their attack speed buffs and kill the enemy team. With no Smite needed you have one more combat summoner than the enemy team.

Would also probably work with a Jarvan support instead of Leona.

Might be terrible! But I think it sounds fun.

On December 04 2012 05:09 Requizen wrote:
Hrm, I think new Avarice Blade sucks as a pure gold item. From the time you get it, it takes 398 kills to pay itself off in the same time that it does Philo + Show Spoiler + and and 397 kills to match Kage's + Show Spoiler +. Unless you plan on selling them, in which case it takes 199 kills to match both + Show Spoiler +.

It also went from the least expensive gp10 item to the most expensive gp10 item + Show Spoiler +.

So it's basically now only going to be bought if you're building Ghostblade, Atma's, Statikk Shiv, or Exe's Calling, I'd guess.

On December 04 2012 05:20 Requizen wrote:

Hm? From the cost-efficiency sheet I'm looking at here, it still is positively cost effective, though I don't know where they got their numbers from. Not as super cost effective as S2, but still pretty good.

On December 04 2012 05:33 kainzero wrote:
speaking of breaking meta, playing 3v3 has been really fun for me lately. it feels like you can inject more variety.

i've been playing lots of anivia lately and going boots-meki-2 pots start, picking up a chalice, then buying and maintaining blue ichors as soon as i hit 6. it's not as effective as it is in 5s because there's not enough farm but you can still massively push waves which opens space for you to roam, and the narrow corridors make level 1 wall really effective.

On December 04 2012 05:40 TheYango wrote:

You're not accounting for how Hp5/Mp5 has been naturally over-valued from a raw cost-effectiveness standpoint since the beginning of time due to the low cost-effectiveness of the baseline regen items

Philo Stone on paper gives more regen than its gold value, but it's actual usefulness as an item doesn't reflect that.

On December 04 2012 05:45 Lounge wrote:
The big problem with Avarice was/is it doesn't build into a "teamfight item." It felt OK to sit on HoG or Philo to partially pay for themselves because you didn't necessarily need Shurelia or Randuin until bigger fights started happening. If you were going Ghostblade, Bruta was going to give you more power early, and you'd go straight into it without the gold generation doing anything.

The only item that I really see changing that is Executioner. Maybe you need it for Swain/Mundo but they aren't in your lane, so you sit on Avarice until you are actively fighting those guys. If you're going for Ghostblade or Atmas you still want to finish it early to get the power jump. If you're going for Shiv it seems like Zeal is the stronger component to get first.

On December 04 2012 05:41 Requizen wrote:
For Avarice, I was using the equation

[time to pay off] = (800 - 2[kills])/.2

Alternatively:

[kills needed] = (.2[time] - 800)/(-2)

Which gives the kills I calculated. If I did the math wrong, or set that up incorrectly, feel free to correct me.

And yeah, I don't want to get into gp10 efficiency/worthwhile dicussions, but I realize it's not good to get them just for gold. However, the gold generation is just something to look at during your build.

On December 04 2012 06:23 Roffles wrote:
Sounds like they're just trying to promote and sell those FOTM champs before they nerf them soon.

Typical Riot.