EPTThe only difference is that Koreans want to win and US/NA for the most part want to make some money. They dont care that a year from now they'll be scraping together cash from go4lol because asians win everything they show up for.
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22165 Posts
The only difference is that Koreans want to win and US/NA for the most part want to make some money. They dont care that a year from now they'll be scraping together cash from go4lol because asians win everything they show up for. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 01 2012 09:46 Gorsameth wrote: While Professional gaming is a lot more accept in Korea then here the fact that CLG, TSM, Curse are all in gaming houses with the ability to play 24/7 removes a large part of that disadvantage. They have all the tools they need to do the same practice regime as Korea but there just not doing it. The only difference is that Koreans want to win and US/NA for the most part want to make some money. They dont care that a year from now they'll be scraping together cash from go4lol because asians win everything they show up for. Definitely. Those three teams have no excuse other than it being difficult to find NA teams to practice with. But even that excuse doesn't really work because Korean and Chinese teams scrimmed the NA/EU teams with high ping while they were building their scene. They might just have to suffer through playing with high ping. I mostly feel for teams like Dignitas or Ferus or TD who don't have gaming houses and have players who are thousands of miles away. It's much easier to build a competitive scene of anything in a country the size of Korea and much more difficult when you have entire continents like North America and Europe. | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
On November 01 2012 09:13 MooMooMugi wrote: No theres no way to mute the champion select music unless you go into the audio files in the Riot folder In the gear box settings thing there's a section for SFX and right below it there's music. If you uncheck the music you won't hear champ select music. All i hear when i'm in champ select is the dinging during bans and the "lock in" clicking noise, and I've never touched my riot games folder. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 01 2012 09:52 overt wrote: It's much easier to build a competitive scene of anything in a country the size of Korea and much more difficult when you have entire continents like North America and Europe. So where does that put China then? As spread out as NA, even less beta/S1 experience than Korea, and while they're not on level with Koreans, the region has still more or less surpassed NA on ability. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
This is TL the rise of the Koreans shouldn't surprise anyone. You can compare it to any game featured on this site. NA sc2 players in gaming houses practice hours on end. They still aren't able to compete with the Koreans. The talent pool is greater in Korea with that game as well as in LoL. The obvious solution for this would be for the foreign teams to relocate to Korea. Fortunately Riot realizes the importance of teams like TSM/CLG that will keep them relevant forever. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 01 2012 09:58 TheYango wrote: So where does that put China then? As spread out as NA, even less beta/S1 experience than Korea, and while they're not on level with Koreans, the region has still more or less surpassed NA on ability. I think that China is relatively comparable to the EU scene to be honest. I would agree with the sentiment that NA teams are not as dedicated and/or are convinced that solo queue is still good practice. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On November 01 2012 09:58 Irave wrote: With the recent Dyrus dilemma why are people under the impression that NA teams don't scrim. Hell Curse has been streaming scrims for the past two days. TSM has had two weekly tournaments, pairing the best of NA against each other. Great practice and better than a standard scrim. This is TL the rise of the Koreans shouldn't surprise anyone. You can compare it to any game featured on this site. NA sc2 players in gaming houses practice hours on end. They still aren't able to compete with the Koreans. The talent pool is greater in Korea with that game as well as in LoL. The obvious solution for this would be for the foreign teams to relocate to Korea. Fortunately Riot realizes the importance of teams like TSM/CLG that will keep them relevant forever. I'm not saying they don't scrim, I'm saying they don't do it consistently enough. Hardly scrimming at all for like 80% of the year and then suddenly scrimming alot right before each tournament is not going to produce the same results as consistent scrimming all year.¨ And I don't think it suprises anyone, but we're saying it's not inevitable. It's not due to Koreans being naturally better are games, or even that their culture or infrastructure or whatever is vastly superior. In the end what it comes down to is motivation and commitment of the players. As for SC2 gaming houses back when I followed SC2 they did the exact same thing lol players are doing now. They set up a house, and then instead of having players actually pracise with each other the players streamed ladder. I don't know if that has changed now and if NA players have wised up, I hope they have. I still feel the situations are very similar. As are the results. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 01 2012 10:26 Badboyrune wrote: I'm not saying they don't scrim, I'm saying they don't do it consistently enough. Hardly scrimming at all for like 80% of the year and then suddenly scrimming alot right before each tournament is not going to produce the same results as consistent scrimming all year.¨ And I don't think it suprises anyone, but we're saying it's not inevitable. It's not due to Koreans being naturally better are games, or even that their culture or infrastructure or whatever is vastly superior. In the end what it comes down to is motivation and commitment of the players. As for SC2 gaming houses back when I followed SC2 they did the exact same thing lol players are doing now. They set up a house, and then instead of having players actually pracise with each other the players streamed ladder. I don't know if that has changed now and if NA players have wised up, I hope they have. I still feel the situations are very similar. As are the results. The problem with the NA scene, I feel, is that there aren't enough sponsors to get players away from streaming. I mentioned this before, and stV talked about this too one time regarding a TSM tournament - there are no reasons for the players to try to play well in NA because they can sit down and play some soloQ and make a bucket load of money. EDIT: think about NA's arguably most successful team at the moment: TSM. Who sponsors TSM? Origin PC, Ventrilo, Razor, and Gunnar. These are not the biggest sponsors and their products are very niched (i.e. not something a random person on the street would be familiar with). Who sponsors esports in Korea? Shinhan Bank, Samsung, IG, SK Telecom, KT Telecom, STX, just to name a few. These are not only big companies with a lot of revenue by themselves, they are also broad companies that most people are familiar with. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 01 2012 10:34 Alaric wrote: Picked Syndra for my win of the day. Ugh do I suck with champs whose skillshots aren't linear or pass-through, can't estimate distances properly. x_x I couldn't beat a Kass and didn't do much during teamfights either. You can't beat Kassadin as Syndra. That's pretty much a given. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On November 01 2012 10:31 Sufficiency wrote: The problem with the NA scene, I feel, is that there aren't enough sponsors to get players away from streaming. I mentioned this before, and stV talked about this too one time regarding a TSM tournament - there are no reasons for the players to try to play well in NA because they can sit down and play some soloQ and make a bucket load of money. Just stream your scrims, problem solved. By the time tournaments are close enough that you want to start develop tournament specific strategies that you don't want to leak you stop streaming, like teams are doing already. Tons of people would love to watch streamed scrims, and players would still get actual practise with their team, unlike solo queue. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 01 2012 10:31 Sufficiency wrote: The problem with the NA scene, I feel, is that there aren't enough sponsors to get players away from streaming. I mentioned this before, and stV talked about this too one time regarding a TSM tournament - there are no reasons for the players to try to play well in NA because they can sit down and play some soloQ and make a bucket load of money. Yeah, they make more money streaming. But it's what goes back to NA teams not having the same level of dedication as Korean or Chinese or some EU teams. They'd rather make a ton of money than be the best teams. No harm in that. Maybe S3 salaries will help change some of that. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 01 2012 10:39 Alaric wrote: I still should have been able to at least harass or force him back better before he hit 6, her aa animations is wonderfully smooth and even if her Q as a shorter range than his, the cooldown is lower and her W has a far better range for poking. Most of my Qs fell short of him and even some Ws were off. I found this problem with Gragas too, some champs I smartcast skills with that don't have an usual range (Gragas for example, 100 more than most champs) prove challenging to use effectively at their maximum range because I'm not used enough to it. Gotta spam games so I don't have to get shamefully carried. :< I don't think pre-6 even matters if Kassadin can crush you after 6 with his pinky only. | ||
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TheSinisterRed
United States1546 Posts
On November 01 2012 10:39 Badboyrune wrote: Just stream your scrims, problem solved. By the time tournaments are close enough that you want to start develop tournament specific strategies that you don't want to leak you stop streaming, like teams are doing already. Tons of people would love to watch streamed scrims, and players would still get actual practise with their team, unlike solo queue. They don't know if people will still watch if they are being serious streaming scrims rather than cracking jokes and entertaining with soloQ. You are appealing to a different audience completely when you make that kind of switch. And while I would love to watch TSM scrims on stream, many of the 30k that OddOne pulls won't follow (at least I would imagine so, I just don't see serious practice being as interesting for many people). | ||
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kongoline
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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Pathos
United States94 Posts
When KR kids like Pobelter start maturing and developing in gaming houses with coaches and directed towards team success, rather than with solo queue dickriders is when NA can no longer compete. Even if LOL starts losing popularity right now in KR, the outcome's on its way, there's more than enough current talent to mentor them. | ||
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