EPTOn November 01 2012 08:31 Slusher wrote:
it's "in a heartbeat" lol, saying "without" changes the meaning significantly
it's "in a heartbeat" lol, saying "without" changes the meaning significantly
English too hard.
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Sufficiency
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 01 2012 07:46 GreenManalishi wrote: I'm assuming the clone-making skill is also going to be the clone-swapping skill, similar to Le Blanc's. Then we really only know the shuriken skill-shot. For a ninja, he is likely going to have another mobility skill, and to be able to assassinate properly he is going to need either another nuking skill or a strong CC skill as his ultimate. Potentially interesting, the clone mechanic could make for some good split pushing strategies or really cool escapes. Hopefully the clone is mobile and controlled with alt + right click. It says specifically in the description Morello posted that the clone is stationary. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On November 01 2012 07:06 Doctorbeat wrote: I don't know how much the Smite devs paid them, but Dallas only has 16k as first prize, no S3 circuit points either. It's going to be really hard for TSM to win anyway, CLG.eu, Najin Sword, Azubu Blaze should all be able to win against them. It seems NA teams have the idea that you only need to practise a month or so before a really big tournament. I'm guessing asian teams actually practise regularly (hint: streaming solo queue is not actually practising), which might contribute to the fact that they're actually good. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On November 01 2012 08:36 Badboyrune wrote: It seems NA teams have the idea that you only need to practise a month or so before a really big tournament. I'm guessing asian teams actually practise regularly (hint: streaming solo queue is not actually practising), which might contribute to the fact that they're actually good. Well that's pretty obvious. Koreans have a major advantage for being able to practice efficiently. The amount of relevant teams in Korea is insanely high, compared to what the 5-6 NA teams, that's stretching it too. The shape of LoL right now is built around solo q. If they want to lane against what the game considers best in the region they need to solo q. Trying to do a serious ranked 5 consistently is quite the task, for many that aren't pros. So streaming solo q with the opportunity to make money is the logical thing to do. None of their strats are being revealed, they are getting play time, its the nature of the beast. TSM is trying to improve the NA scene, hosting their off season weekly tournaments. Which they are performing quite well in. People overlook that because they are currently streaming Smite. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On November 01 2012 08:36 Badboyrune wrote: It seems NA teams have the idea that you only need to practise a month or so before a really big tournament. I'm guessing asian teams actually practise regularly (hint: streaming solo queue is not actually practising), which might contribute to the fact that they're actually good. NA teams have nothing to worry about anymore. S3 ensures they get pay + streaming revenue. Unless something crazy happens like (Top foreign teams coming to NA to play in the S3 NA circuit), nothing is going to change in the NA scene. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 01 2012 08:47 Irave wrote: Well that's pretty obvious. Koreans have a major advantage for being able to practice efficiently. The amount of relevant teams in Korea is insanely high, compared to what the 5-6 NA teams, that's stretching it too. The shape of LoL right now is built around solo q. If they want to lane against what the game considers best in the region they need to solo q. Trying to do a serious ranked 5 consistently is quite the task, for many that aren't pros. So streaming solo q with the opportunity to make money is the logical thing to do. None of their strats are being revealed, they are getting play time, its the nature of the beast. You realize it wasn't always this way? That when Korea started playing LoL, most of the teams were bad (in CLG's first visit to Korea they could beat pretty much all the teams in scrims). They got better. How? By looking for scrims and practice overseas rather than just playing solo queue. Korea didn't magically become the best in the world. They did so by LOOKING for good practice. The shape of LoL isn't built around solo queue. It's built around solo queue in the west because western teams made it that way and refuse to adapt. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
At the time LoL got released officially in Korea, nobody would have called MiG/EDG/OP favorites against CLG/TSM/Dignitas. The results at WCG 2011 more or less spoke for how the scene looked at that time. Hell TPA (then still called FtW) didn't even get out of groupstage. | ||
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Numy
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IMoperator
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Numy
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On November 01 2012 09:07 IMoperator wrote: is there a way to mute the annoying champ select music? There's some gears at the top right of your client. Should be an option in there. | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
On November 01 2012 09:07 IMoperator wrote: is there a way to mute the annoying champ select music? After you log in there's a set of gears in the top right. There's also a "Suppress Public Notifications" box that I don't remember being there, i'm gonna see if that ends the stupid pop ups at the start of the game. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On November 01 2012 08:55 TheYango wrote: You realize it wasn't always this way? That when Korea started playing LoL, most of the teams were bad (in CLG's first visit to Korea they could beat pretty much all the teams in scrims). They got better. How? By looking for scrims and practice overseas rather than just playing solo queue. Korea didn't magically become the best in the world. They did so by LOOKING for good practice. The shape of LoL isn't built around solo queue. It's built around solo queue in the west because western teams made it that way and refuse to adapt. It was always that way because when LoL first joined the competitive scene there were very few teams. Which made looking for good practice difficult, chances are the team you spent time scrimmaging against was likely an opponent in the next tournament. Ok going to work on our strat against you in practice, hope it works out for the best. Everyone was able to be a contender in s1 because of how unstable the scene was. The scene in Korea is growing rapidly in talent because of the amount of players that play competitively. Azubu is a prime example, great teams, and they can battle it out daily. With the amount of teams, you can practice against whoever because you will likely never face them in a tournament. New big sponsor teams pop up regularly in Korea. NA scene consists of player x leaves team y now they struggle to find a replacement. The amount of big named teams is tiny, filled with many that consist of solo q superstars. The Korean scene wasn't that terrible when CLG were there either. Did they magically get better, no. Do they have a massive amount of opportunities to get better, yes. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
First tier teams - CLG, TSM, Dignitas all definitively better than MiG, EDG, OP. Not just as teams, but individually as well. You put Dyrus against Maknoon back then, Dyrus was arguably the better laner. You put Dyrus against Maknoon now, Maknoon trashes him 9 times out of 10. Second tier teams - Oh wait, there are no second tier teams in Korea because the game just came out. Nobody other than the handful of guys that played on NA had any appreciable experience or ability at the game. There is no groundwork for any of these "good scrim partners" for the top tier teams. They dont exist yet. Meanwhile, on NA, you have a bunch of promising second-tier teams like Curse, Epik Gamer->TSM.Evo, etc. Korea started with basically nothing. There were no teams below the top tier, and their players were equal, if not worse than the NA players. They got to where they are now because the scene actually grew, rather than stagnating, because those 3 top teams in a sea of newbies took the opportunity to FIND scrim partners, rather than simply complaining that there were none. | ||
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locodoco
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seRapH
United States9771 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 01 2012 09:03 TheYango wrote: The idea that Korea was inherently slated to become the best and there's some inherent regional disadvantage for NA/EU is hilarious because if you look at what Korea looked like at the start--the ONLY competitive-relevant players/teams were a handful of players who had played on NA through beta/S1. And at the time, these teams were at best equals, if not inferior to, the top NA teams. To be fair, the concept of professional gaming in Korea is a lot more "cultural" than it is in the west. You also have to consider the fact that Korea is much smaller which allows for LANs to occur more frequently and PC bangs exist there. There are definitely things outside of players having more discipline that give Korea a distinct advantage over the US, Canada, or EU. With that said the Korean teams seem more dedicated than most of the NA or EU teams. With the notable exceptions of CLGeu and M5 who are honestly the only two western teams that can compete with the Koreans imo. I think that TSM probably has the dedication to practice efficiently if they forced OddOne or Dyrus to stop streaming solo queue. I'm hoping that Curse will start practicing efficiently since they have a team house and I'm also hoping that loco can scare CLGna straight. But I don't have my hopes up for the NA teams to do anything like that especially since S3 will almost encourage them to not worry about being better than the Koreans. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On November 01 2012 08:47 Irave wrote: Well that's pretty obvious. Koreans have a major advantage for being able to practice efficiently. The amount of relevant teams in Korea is insanely high, compared to what the 5-6 NA teams, that's stretching it too. The shape of LoL right now is built around solo q. If they want to lane against what the game considers best in the region they need to solo q. Trying to do a serious ranked 5 consistently is quite the task, for many that aren't pros. So streaming solo q with the opportunity to make money is the logical thing to do. None of their strats are being revealed, they are getting play time, its the nature of the beast. TSM is trying to improve the NA scene, hosting their off season weekly tournaments. Which they are performing quite well in. People overlook that because they are currently streaming Smite. This is just a very weird way of thinking to me. Ok so they're not going to get as good scrimming partners as koreans would, so because of that they're not gonna bother and do soloq instead which is even worse 'practise'? I mean it's not like there are not enough teams in NA for them to not be able to find teams to scrim against regularly. It's just that those scrimming partners aren't going to be as good as the Korean teams. And they're not going to improve unless they are scrimming. It turns into a beautiful catch 22. Can't scrim because there's no one good to scrim against, and no one is getting better because no one is scrimming. If an NA team, say TSM, decided that we're going to do 4 scrims five days a week, and stream those, and then actually follow through with that I bet they would improve alot quite rapidly. It's not like they're untalented players. Make sure you have 4 scrims set up every day, play them out and stream them. Even if the opponents are not Korean calibre it would still be way, way better practise than soloq, and would attract at least as many viewers. When it gets really close to tournament you just stop streaming, like they are already doing. Whatever way I look at it a setup like this would be a win/win for everyone involved, I'm desperately trying to figure out why they are not doing it. | ||
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